Banjo Bowl Early Chat

[johnzo]

people blame the lack of Brady carries on playcalling -- but in an RPO scheme the QB has the option to pull the ball and throw it.  Zach gets a vote too on how Brady's used, and given that Brady had beaten the Als pretty much singlehandedly the week before, the Saskatchewan DEs were opting to crash down on the run more often than not.

Zach put up some beaucoup yards and three TDs with his arm -- we almost beat them without our best player being much of a factor.  Sucks to lose, but we showed we had a passing attack even with our ragtag receiving corps and leaky pass protection, which is way more that what I expected.

[17to85]

Keep in mind the riders front 7 is good, but their secondary is the drizzling shits, so yeah Brady was never going to go off in the run game here. Teams know that you beat the Bombers by limiting the run game. 

[Atomic]

There's a Schoen interview in the Sun today which would be a little strange if he is injured again. Usually injured guys don't talk to the media. Obviously he isn't 100%, we all saw him pull up at the end of the game, but seems like he is "ok" to me.

https://winnipegsun.com/sports/football/cfl/winnipeg-bluebombers/blue-bombers-dalton-schoen-thrown-right-back-into-labour-day-fire?itm_source=index

[Atomic]

Tracker disagrees, everyone

[WinnipegGordo]

Tanner Schmekel was transferred to the 6 game injured list yesterday.

 

[Tracker]

1 hour ago, Atomic said:

Tracker disagrees, everyone

Thanks! It's nice to be acknowledged.

[wbbfan]

5 hours ago, johnzo said:

people blame the lack of Brady carries on playcalling -- but in an RPO scheme the QB has the option to pull the ball and throw it.  Zach gets a vote too on how Brady's used, and given that Brady had beaten the Als pretty much singlehandedly the week before, the Saskatchewan DEs were opting to crash down on the run more often than not.

Zach put up some beaucoup yards and three TDs with his arm -- we almost beat them without our best player being much of a factor.  Sucks to lose, but we showed we had a passing attack even with our ragtag receiving corps and leaky pass protection, which is way more that what I expected.

we aren’t running that much rpo. suitor thinks every pa play is rpo, it isn’t. It’s pretty easy to identify when we do run rpo, because we aren’t very good at it. 

 watch zachs head/shoulders. if he’s looking at brady, he isn’t reading any one on the D. when we run rpo, you can see him stare down the key play on D. usually you would read the edge and bootleg based on his angle or pursuit. 

 For us, we’ve read sam/wil on medium short passes that are quick, and run what I call fake rpo. which is when you go to the huddle with a call change based on pre set alignment. Buck did a lot of this prior to last year to try and speed up getting the ball out. if the slot coverage (half,sam,wil) is too far off, zach throws a snag, hitch, screen etc. it’s a no signal check run from the snap. 

We used to try and do pin and pull rpos like that especially with strevy going back to lapo. 

[JohnnyAbonny]

1 hour ago, WinnipegGordo said:

Tanner Schmekel was transferred to the 6 game injured list yesterday.

 

That sucks. He was just starting to come into his own. 
 

I hope this means by unfortunate means their hand is forced into de-nationalizing the DT spot. 

[Booch]

22 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

we aren’t running that much rpo. suitor thinks every pa play is rpo, it isn’t. It’s pretty easy to identify when we do run rpo, because we aren’t very good at it. 

 watch zachs head/shoulders. if he’s looking at brady, he isn’t reading any one on the D. when we run rpo, you can see him stare down the key play on D. usually you would read the edge and bootleg based on his angle or pursuit. 

 For us, we’ve read sam/wil on medium short passes that are quick, and run what I call fake rpo. which is when you go to the huddle with a call change based on pre set alignment. Buck did a lot of this prior to last year to try and speed up getting the ball out. if the slot coverage (half,sam,wil) is too far off, zach throws a snag, hitch, screen etc. it’s a no signal check run from the snap. 

We used to try and do pin and pull rpos like that especially with strevy going back to lapo. 

yea we suck at RPO and ZC isnt an ideal guy for it anyway....not at this point in his career...maybe his hamilton days....lil bit in 2021...not now

We also avoid seam and crossers and blitz beaters like its the plague....inadequate OC part of that too....his play book is like a seasoned OC trying to hide his scheme in pre-season

3 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

That sucks. He was just starting to come into his own. 
 

I hope this means by unfortunate means their hand is forced into de-nationalizing the DT spot. 

well with our lack of usefull Cdn depth after our starters...and Ball likely out too....I can see Bailey finally getting on....Which is a plus.....an yeah too bad for Schmeck as he finally seemed to find his game as a nice depth piece....he actually is one of our quickest guys off snap believe it or not and finally figured out how to attack and puncture gaps...Him spelling off lawson would have been Ideal and all we needed as cdn DT's

With Schoen's issues....Hopefully we bring on Echols for him, and Pokey for Logan, as Echols is a good returner and can spell off Vaval...

And how Woodbey showed last game, and his versatility and used how they I guess figured Ayers could of been...but wasnt....Possibly dropping Ayers for Adams or woods...

Even tho Mitchell showed signs of life I wouldnt be oppose to dropping him and we roster both Woods and Adams and run with a Demski/Clercius/Pokey/Wheatfall/Echols unit

 

[captaincanuck12]

Forecast is pretty shitty for Saturday.  High of 15  only and overcast. 

[Bomberguy]

2 hours ago, captaincanuck12 said:

Forecast is pretty shitty for Saturday.  High of 15  only and overcast. 

That’s FOOTBALL 🏈 weather! 👍🏻

Edited 5 hours ago by Bomberguy

[wbbfan]

3 hours ago, Booch said:

yea we suck at RPO and ZC isnt an ideal guy for it anyway....not at this point in his career...maybe his hamilton days....lil bit in 2021...not now

We also avoid seam and crossers and blitz beaters like its the plague....inadequate OC part of that too....his play book is like a seasoned OC trying to hide his scheme in pre-season

well with our lack of usefull Cdn depth after our starters...and Ball likely out too....I can see Bailey finally getting on....Which is a plus.....an yeah too bad for Schmeck as he finally seemed to find his game as a nice depth piece....he actually is one of our quickest guys off snap believe it or not and finally figured out how to attack and puncture gaps...Him spelling off lawson would have been Ideal and all we needed as cdn DT's

With Schoen's issues....Hopefully we bring on Echols for him, and Pokey for Logan, as Echols is a good returner and can spell off Vaval...

And how Woodbey showed last game, and his versatility and used how they I guess figured Ayers could of been...but wasnt....Possibly dropping Ayers for Adams or woods...

Even tho Mitchell showed signs of life I wouldnt be oppose to dropping him and we roster both Woods and Adams and run with a Demski/Clercius/Pokey/Wheatfall/Echols unit

 

on top of that, none of our guys have experience learning or working in an rpo system. buck and suck learned from lapo, who imitated from game film. but none of them has the experience to understand the nuance of how to read the target, how to disguise the act of reading and blend it with normal plays, or even the mechanics of pull to release. 

 at a pro level, rpo is really demanding. you have to recognize the slight difference in defender angles and exploit it quickly. 

There’s a great video on yt about peyton manning and how much work he put in to his mechanics on play action, stretch and other hand off techniques. Defences are better than ever at picking up cues from offense. 

It’s similar to how we never managed to evolve as a zone run, spread to run team beyond tight/izr. you go back to chip kellys years in oregon and soo many others and you see new wrinkles and evolution each year.