Bombers at Als early chat

[HardCoreBlue]

9 minutes ago, Booch said:

they dont ripen with no playtime...if anything they stagnate and it slows their development

And interesting you mentioned those 2...guys allowed to get at er right out of the gate...learn as they go....Verasuk is another being afforded the same opportunity...DeQuay before them....Richards got a ton of playtime but got hurt....thats to just name a few

Nobody ripens in practice.....just doesnt happen

Practice speed to game speed not even close.

[Booch]

3 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Practice speed to game speed not even close.

nor is intensity...physicality....having to react...list goes on and on

you cant get in to game condition either in practice...not in this day and age

[GCn20]

42 minutes ago, Booch said:

nor is intensity...physicality....having to react...list goes on and on

you cant get in to game condition either in practice...not in this day and age

It isn't all about physicality or speed as to how a team develops a player.  The mental aspect of the game is big. The comfort level, the confidence level. Like I said I am not against anyone getting reps in garbage time but to throw a guy into the fire as a first year pro is not a great idea unless they have demonstrated they are someone you just can't keep out of the lineup. We don't even do that, nor does any CFL team, for the vast majority of IMP guys who are far more polished and game ready. Are their rookies who break through, of course, but the number league wide is small compared to how many end up tossed away.

Edited 1 hour ago by GCn20

[bigg jay]

1 hour ago, Noeller said:

Ya I'm more than happy to let the two LB kids ripen... We're not in a rush with them, especially if they are Cam Judge and Alex Singleton.....

3 years can go pretty fast without really seeing anything a ton from them if we go that route.  Personally I'd like to get more than a season & a half from a top draft pick.

Year 1 - ST only

Year 2 - some rotation on D

Year 3 - maybe starting?

Year 4 - potentially gone.

 

1 hour ago, Booch said:

they dont ripen with no playtime...if anything they stagnate and it slows their development

And interesting you mentioned those 2...guys allowed to get at er right out of the gate...learn as they go....Verasuk is another being afforded the same opportunity...DeQuay before them....Richards got a ton of playtime but got hurt....thats to just name a few

Nobody ripens in practice.....just doesnt happen

Not quite the same situation as Judge & Singleton.  Judge only played 3 games (didn't record anything but ST tackles) in year 1 before getting hurt and missing the rest of the year.  He rotated in quite a bit in year 2 before becoming a starter in year 3.  Maybe it would have been sooner had he not been hurt but we'll never know.   The 3 year scenario I mentioned above is exactly how it played out for Sask with Judge - 1 year as a starter and then he bolted as soon as he could.  I hope that's not the case with our guys.

Singleton did get real playing time in year one with Calgary but that was after spending 2015 on NFL PR's so it wasn't a straight transition from college to seeing the field as a pro.

[HardCoreBlue]

17 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

It isn't all about physicality or speed as to how a team develops a player.  The mental aspect of the game is big. The comfort level, the confidence level. Like I said I am not against anyone getting reps in garbage time but to throw a guy into the fire as a first year pro is not a great idea unless they have demonstrated they are someone you just can't keep out of the lineup. We don't even do that, nor does any CFL team, for the vast majority of IMP guys who are far more polished and game ready. Are their rookies who break through, of course, but the number league wide is small compared to how many end up tossed away.

Right which emphasizes the need for some game reps obviously with some thought before doling them out. There is a risk of course, i.e., player crapping the bed when their number is called ergo confidence hit but that's what it's all about, that's how one grows, develops not just in sport but in life generally.

[Tracker]

3 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Look, I'm all in favor of a few reps here and there. However, not until the coaches feel comfortable with it. We have 3 years of these players being locked in, there is absolutely no reason to rush things. NAT draft picks are the one type of player that we can ripen on the vine.  Yea...we could insert them into blow outs, but honestly those are practice reps as well.

The big problem we have is the stubbornness  of coach(es) in using the same, obviously overmatched players again and again rather than giving potentially better players onto the field. It is not universal, as yet, but there is a growing lack of confidence in most of our coaching staff. If we here feel this way, the players must as well.

[rebusrankin]

Different position I know but we gave a bunch of reps to a guy in Kornelson that we just cut.

[17to85]

So I think with guys like our rookie lb draftees... is that we are also using a bunch of American linebackers as special teams depth and the first in line backups. It's just too many linebackers and if we drafted these guys with a mind to having them become starters then what purpose does blocking them with Americans do? They should be the primary backups.

[Noeller]

6 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

So I think with guys like our rookie lb draftees... is that we are also using a bunch of American linebackers as special teams depth and the first in line backups. It's just too many linebackers and if we drafted these guys with a mind to having them become starters then what purpose does blocking them with Americans do? They should be the primary backups.

That's fair... I think rushing them to start and play full reps is unnecessary right now, but giving them SOME reps could definitely be helpful in Year 1. 

[BomberBall.]

1 minute ago, Noeller said:

That's fair... I think rushing them to start and play full reps is unnecessary right now, but giving them SOME reps could definitely be helpful in Year 1. 

Right.  I don’t think anyone is advocating rushing them into the lineup and starting them, but I can’t see how people would be against giving them a handful of reps each game and maybe a few more in garbage time.  IMO that would really help their development.