3 stars plus hh 17 no longer a lucky number

[Super Duper Negatron]

9 hours ago, Mark H. said:

He said on the postgame that "he thought it was PI."

I need more coffee. It is way too early in the day for brain teasers.

[Bubba Zanetti]

11 hours ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

And that one I would love to see Osh challenge to send a message to his rookie that he did nothing wrong.

Someone could straight up murder a Bomber player on the field and O'Shea would keep the flag in is f**king pocket. Johnny Never Challenge.

Edited 2 hours ago by Bubba Zanetti

[bearpants]

6 minutes ago, Bubba Zanetti said:

Someone could straight up murder a Bomber player on the field and O'Shea would keep the flag in is f**king pocket. Johnny Never Challenge.

the odd part is he challenged a Demski catch last year just to stick it to the refs... knowing that wining the challenge would actually cost us two yards....

[3rdand1.5]

I want to shout out, Schmeckle, Vaval, Allen and Ball..... guys who all made plays that were not really expected to.....this is what we need is for some "new" or unexpected names to step up......

[Mike]

10 minutes ago, bearpants said:

the odd part is he challenged a Demski catch last year just to stick it to the refs... knowing that wining the challenge would actually cost us two yards....

He used to challenge to backup his players, not sure why he doesn’t do it lately

[voodoochylde]

Last night, post game, O'Shea was asked about the decision to kick the field goal (and was pressed on it a bit).

He said he did it because he had faith in Sergio and the cover team.  What was left unsaid (and I'll admit I'm reading into this a bit), is that he had no faith in the offense or offensive line to pick up that yard.  I look at that situation and, to me, lining up for a QB sneak on 2nd and three signals that you intend to go again if it's close.  I know Sergio has been great this year but that whole sequence was bizarre and nearly cost us the game.

[Pete Catan's Ghost]

38 minutes ago, bearpants said:

the odd part is he challenged a Demski catch last year just to stick it to the refs... knowing that wining the challenge would actually cost us two yards....

I’m not convinced that Osh didn’t make that challenge in error…didn’t realize it would result in a worse outcome. 
Pretty sure, calling out the refs, wasn’t his intention. 

[17to85]

1 minute ago, voodoochylde said:

Last night, post game, O'Shea was asked about the decision to kick the field goal (and was pressed on it a bit).

He said he did it because he had faith in Sergio and the cover team.  What was left unsaid (and I'll admit I'm reading into this a bit), is that he had no faith in the offense or offensive line to pick up that yard.  I look at that situation and, to me, lining up for a QB sneak on 2nd and three signals that you intend to go again if it's close.  I know Sergio has been great this year but that whole sequence was bizarre and nearly cost us the game.

And that's all well and good, but long field goals are iffy because of those reasons. Oshea needed to read the game situation and understand that just because Sergio has been money from a mile away doesn't mean you can regularly expect him to never miss long ones. Up 1 score with not much time on the clock the safest play is punt and pin Ottawa deep. Make them drive the field to tie. You still get OT if your defense has an epic pants pooping. 

[voodoochylde]

22 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

And that's all well and good, but long field goals are iffy because of those reasons. Oshea needed to read the game situation and understand that just because Sergio has been money from a mile away doesn't mean you can regularly expect him to never miss long ones. Up 1 score with not much time on the clock the safest play is punt and pin Ottawa deep. Make them drive the field to tie. You still get OT if your defense has an epic pants pooping. 

Not disagreeing at all.

I'd be all for punting the ball away if they chose not to go for it after the sneak.  Even if Sheehan puts in into / through the endzone for a single, it forces Ottawa to put a drive together AND successfully convert a 2 point attempt. 

Watching that game slip away from the third quarter onward was the most maddening thing in the world.

[Brandon]

8 minutes ago, voodoochylde said:

Watching that game slip away from the third quarter onward was the most maddening thing in the world - it's this team's identity so far.  Outscore and outplay in the first quarter then get throttled in the third.

It wasn't even 3rd quarter on... it was 27-13 at the 3 minute warning!  Their was only a minute left when they choose to kick a field goal.    Had they punted it would of forced Crum to go deep (which he is not good at) and go the whole length of the field with under a minute left with no time outs.        Such a piss poor coaching decision to go for that field goal. 

[voodoochylde]

Just now, Brandon said:

It wasn't even 3rd quarter on... it was 27-13 at the 3 minute warning!  Their was only a minute left when they choose to kick a field goal.    Had they punted it would of forced Crum to go deep (which he is not good at) and go the whole length of the field with under a minute left with no time outs.        Such a piss poor coaching decision to go for that field goal. 

While the scoreboard didn't show it, they got BADLY outplayed in the third .. I think Ottawa's first drive chewed up around 9 minutes (ending with a TD) while we went two and out twice before stringing together a couple of first downs to close out the quarter.  It was just awful football coming out after the half and it's been emblematic of this team's play this year.

[blue85gold]

2 minutes ago, voodoochylde said:

While the scoreboard didn't show it, they got BADLY outplayed in the third .. I think Ottawa's first drive chewed up around 9 minutes (ending with a TD) while we went two and out twice before stringing together a couple of first downs to close out the quarter.  It was just awful football coming out after the half and it's been emblematic of this team's play this year.

I wouldn't call that first drive by Ott awful football for the D. At least the D didn't just give up 90 yards in like 2 or 3 plays like they've been doing.  

[do or die]

So does Hogan only have 30 minute game plans?   These 2nd halfs have me reaching for............the hydromorphone

[3rdand1.5]

A couple games ago, we had Strev throw into the endzone...too cute...not smart....we should have ran on first ran on second and kicked a FG at worst on 3rd, while eating up clock

This past game we do an ultra conservative short yardage play on 2nd and 3 for no real good reason....then we try a what 57-yard field goal.....when all we needed to do was run down the clock and try and pin them deep with a punt....oh by the way with what 40ish seconds left and their back-up QB in...and they would have needed a TD to tie

Those are terrible calls, terrible, too safe but yet to aggressive all at the same time......Just play the odds...

[Stickem]

So sad to have to watch coaches that don't seem to know what they're doing....We should be celebrating a win I guess BUT was it a win or an escape from further humiliation.....Changes needed and if we don't ,we'll be witness to more or near defeats....Why is it we seem to get to a point in the game, where we reach 20 pts. and then the offence comes to a grinding halt.....and further to that the coach goes brain dead?? We just about gave it away....tried hard to do just that ,and were lucky Castillo bailed us out....

Edited 29 minutes ago by Stickem

[Booch]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

And that's all well and good, but long field goals are iffy because of those reasons. Oshea needed to read the game situation and understand that just because Sergio has been money from a mile away doesn't mean you can regularly expect him to never miss long ones. Up 1 score with not much time on the clock the safest play is punt and pin Ottawa deep. Make them drive the field to tie. You still get OT if your defense has an epic pants pooping. 

he also said he went with FG cause you cant punt the ball as far from there...like wtf is he babbling about...that made zero sense at all.

37 minutes ago, do or die said:

So does Hogan only have 30 minute game plans?   These 2nd halfs have me reaching for............the hydromorphone

he has no ability to adapt....or switch gears....so his second half adjustments...or lack thereof come very apparent....doesnt help his playbook and his play calling is at about a high school  level

 

21 minutes ago, 3rdand1.5 said:

A couple games ago, we had Strev throw into the endzone...too cute...not smart....we should have ran on first ran on second and kicked a FG at worst on 3rd, while eating up clock

This past game we do an ultra conservative short yardage play on 2nd and 3 for no real good reason....then we try a what 57-yard field goal.....when all we needed to do was run down the clock and try and pin them deep with a punt....oh by the way with what 40ish seconds left and their back-up QB in...and they would have needed a TD to tie

Those are terrible calls, terrible, too safe but yet to aggressive all at the same time......Just play the odds...

said before....coaching killing us and we win many a game in spite of it...and just glosses over the issues

[Stickem]

the guys who stood out

Demski.....seems the club wants him to be 'mr.' everything AND he delivers

Wheatfall...this kid took a pounding and held on to the rock...Beginning to really like this guys game

Castillo.....without him , today we're 4 AND 5

 

have to mention the new db.....those were not pi penalties on the guy...and they sure as hell were challengeable...BUT the coach sat on his hands...You'd think a newbie would get a little more support from his new head coach...but nada

Edited 6 minutes ago by Stickem

[Arnold_Palmer]

1 hour ago, voodoochylde said:

While the scoreboard didn't show it, they got BADLY outplayed in the third .. I think Ottawa's first drive chewed up around 9 minutes (ending with a TD) while we went two and out twice before stringing together a couple of first downs to close out the quarter.  It was just awful football coming out after the half and it's been emblematic of this team's play this year.

We only have 26 points in 9 games in the third quarter. No wonder we’re a 5-4 team. We’ve been out coached, out schemed and out played in nearly every single second half this season. It’s very concerning. 

[wbbfan]

57 minutes ago, do or die said:

So does Hogan only have 30 minute game plans?   These 2nd halfs have me reaching for............the hydromorphone

normally you practice and prep to run an extended series of 15-20 or so offensive plays. with some if-this then-that progressions. normally you don’t get through all that in the couple series. depending on how the offence goes you usually finish that around half way through to the 2nd Q. Often, you’ll go back to some of the sequence calls if it works well, or if you didn’t get a chance to go in a certain sequence you prepped for. 

At the half, you of course don’t have the time to build a full sequence again for the second half, so you have some deeper progressions in the play book to work off, build off what worked and toss what didn’t. 

Week of prep is an incredible amount of work as an oc. you have a short period of time from debriefing over the previous game to building your game plan for the next, then you spend the week doing install with the qbs/offence and practicing the key plays and sequences. 

An average oc, preps and installs a good game plan for the week. 

a good oc builds and adjusts well at half and does what an average oc does. 

a great oc builds a good game plan on the spot in game and does every thing a good oc does. 

A bad oc, often sees glimmers of success in various areas. but most often it’s the talent shining through the system.