Collaros status

[rebusrankin]

I suspect we don't see Shay, Smith or Kelly because the club sees them as developmental and not ready, while in the Bomber Brass's minds, we are a contender and thus need to play vets

[17to85]

Kelly's been here for what? 3 years now? How much more developing does he need?

[wbbfan]

57 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Kelly's been here for what? 3 years now? How much more developing does he need?

2 years, 20 games. Just started getting D reps due to injury last year. When healthy he should be as close to ready to start as he will ever be. 

[Stickem]

20 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Age is a *****. Collaros has been **** since 2023 with the odd exception. 

 

Thank God he got an extension before thr season even started 

.....we should have known what was ahead....couple that with the Thomas re-signing ....presto...headed for the ditch scenario

[Brandon]

10 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

We can't play Streveler if Zach is making nearly $600,000 a year & Streveler $180,000. Bonus for us (ho boy!) is next year Zach has guaranted money- 50%, so $250-$300,000. No team will pick up his contract for that. Lots of strange decisions were made by Walters this past off season but this is a crippler financially. 

The only chance is if a playoff contender loses their starting qb and are desperate for a veteran replacement. 

But knowing how messed our team has been constructed we would probably trade Strev and watch him light it up and win the cup. 

[JuranBoldenRules]

3 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

I suspect we don't see Shay, Smith or Kelly because the club sees them as developmental and not ready, while in the Bomber Brass's minds, we are a contender and thus need to play vets

Kelly is a vet.

[Doublezero]

7 hours ago, wbbfan said:

 At this point, I hope Elgersma sticks the whole year in the NFL on PRs and is in camp next year.

If Packers like him but Carney & Trump don't get a trade deal this week, then Packers might have to pay an extra 35% tariff on Elgersma's contract (since he is imported from Canada) of $294,350  So that could be a factor as to whether they keep him around.

[Bomberguy]

8 hours ago, wbbfan said:

Knew that wasn't it once we moved on from Brown. Everyone knows it in hindsight, but really wanted us to trade Zach for some value while he had it and go young.  Then last off season basically all the young guys took over spots/teams, and the vets dispersed as back ups. 

 At this point, I hope Elgersma sticks the whole year in the NFL on PRs and is in camp next year. If he ends up here this year, it will likely cost us Artopoeus.  Chase, Elgersma, Wilson, and Strev are likely our best case scenario next TC. short of us making some move to replace one of them with a younger, slightly more experienced cfl guy. 

Jake and Kola gotta go. And after that, we need to prioritize young development over mediocre veteran production. Still wouldn't bet that actually happens for the most part. 

I think bridges is the only guy who lost his job, Vaval might finally be out as a KR for the year, though he looked solid at db. No reason Parker should continue at S over a guy like Allen. I think Woodbeys physicality would be a massive improvement for us too.  

Elgersma, the next Nathan Rourke, wait a minute … 😆

[wbbfan]

32 minutes ago, Bomberguy said:

Elgersma, the next Nathan Rourke, wait a minute … 😆

He isn’t rourke like, but a couple of our guys have questionable upside at this point and he has plenty of upside atleast. 

[SpeedFlex27]

17 hours ago, Brandon said:

The only chance is if a playoff contender loses their starting qb and are desperate for a veteran replacement. 

But knowing how messed our team has been constructed we would probably trade Strev and watch him light it up and win the cup. 

We could be in the qb wilderness for years like Edmonton because of the way Walters & Osh messed up the qb position.

[SpeedFlex27]

21 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:

If I'm walters I'm talking to Whoever is the GM in Ott to try and pry a WR out of there.

Walter's the guy who put us in this position at qb & receiver & you expect him to fix it?? Our GM is way past his expiry date. He used to be so sharp & had it together. Now? He's like a 2L milk jug that went sour in the fridge. Wow, is this team ever ..... 

Edited yesterday at 01:48 PM by SpeedFlex27

[wbbfan]

17 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

We could be in the qb wilderness for years like Edmonton because of the way Walters & Osh messed up the qb position.

Idc what league it is, you ride the QB talent. If that Qb becomes a younger guy, you move to him. Imagine if the Pats went back to bledsoe and jetisoned brady. 

[JuranBoldenRules]

56 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Walter's the guy who put us in this position at qb & receiver & you expect him to fix it?? Our GM is way past his expiry date. He used to be so sharp & had it together. Now? He's like a 2L milk jug that went sour in the fridge. Wow, is this team ever ..... 

That's kind of where the league is though.  Terrible QB play and development.

Brown vs Collaros gave two distinct paths, but look at Ottawa.  Brown is turning out to be their Drew Willy.  He's been healthy less than Collaros.

Matt Shiltz has started games for 4 different CFL teams since the 2020 shutdown.

Hamilton and Sask are resurgent on guys who are pushing 40 who haven't been healthy or consistent since before 2020.

Montreal rolled with the guy who can't play a quarter without aggravating his hamstring.  Great player, but is he going to be the guy who can only play 10-12 games a season like Dickenson?

Edmonton pushed all-in on Ford who is nowhere near ready, if he ever could be with his arm.

BC is paying Rourke an amount he could probably never out play.

Calgary is on the up slope of the VAJ rollercoaster.

The only way to make sure you have a basic floor level of QB play in this league is to sign MBT.

[blue85gold]

9 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

That's kind of where the league is though.  Terrible QB play and development.

Brown vs Collaros gave two distinct paths, but look at Ottawa.  Brown is turning out to be their Drew Willy.  He's been healthy less than Collaros.

Matt Shiltz has started games for 4 different CFL teams since the 2020 shutdown.

Hamilton and Sask are resurgent on guys who are pushing 40 who haven't been healthy or consistent since before 2020.

Montreal rolled with the guy who can't play a quarter without aggravating his hamstring.  Great player, but is he going to be the guy who can only play 10-12 games a season like Dickenson?

Edmonton pushed all-in on Ford who is nowhere near ready, if he ever could be with his arm.

BC is paying Rourke an amount he could probably never out play.

Calgary is on the up slope of the VAJ rollercoaster.

The only way to make sure you have a basic floor level of QB play in this league is to sign MBT.

This is it. There is no QB in the league right now who is consistently good and healthy. 

[ShyGuy]

37 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

That's kind of where the league is though.  Terrible QB play and development.

Brown vs Collaros gave two distinct paths, but look at Ottawa.  Brown is turning out to be their Drew Willy.  He's been healthy less than Collaros.

Matt Shiltz has started games for 4 different CFL teams since the 2020 shutdown.

Hamilton and Sask are resurgent on guys who are pushing 40 who haven't been healthy or consistent since before 2020.

Montreal rolled with the guy who can't play a quarter without aggravating his hamstring.  Great player, but is he going to be the guy who can only play 10-12 games a season like Dickenson?

Edmonton pushed all-in on Ford who is nowhere near ready, if he ever could be with his arm.

BC is paying Rourke an amount he could probably never out play.

Calgary is on the up slope of the VAJ rollercoaster.

The only way to make sure you have a basic floor level of QB play in this league is to sign MBT.

This is where the Brown vs. Collaros argument kind of falls apart from me. 

Yes Collaros was showing signs of slowing down, and yes Brown looked very promising in spot duty when he was here... but I'm not sure ANYONE in football would move on from a QB who was just off back-to-back MOP seasons, and the season we are talking about moving on from he was probably 3rd in the voting that year, and if the Argonauts don't go 16-2 is definitely the All-CFL QB... for someone who hasn't exactly lit the league on fire since he left. 

I also want to take this moment to throw some shade at MBT... of all the QBs in the league, he is the only one who hasn't completed a pass (to his team) 20+ yards past the line of scrimmage.

[Booch]

Status on Collaros.....aged and in serious decline....and have to think now is dealing with an ongoing injury issue I think stemming from that Edm game...and hasnt really been 100 percent fixed...if ever will. 

I also pretty sure we (the team) are/were very aware of it and the fact they have done nothing really to either put the actual work/time/packages/reps together to develop a guy already here....or make a move to get a possible heir apparent is an utter failure all around...with multiple people to blame for it,  and the fact we actually had the poor judgement to re-up him before he even stepped on field this yr, let alone took a snap in an actual game has to be one of the most bone headed moves in decades....

Incompetence all around, and not sure the dynamics of what going on and who's word holds the most say, but to me I think the bit of success the team had was attributed way too much to Osh and with that somehow he gained more control of the who and how we go about player signings and FA targets, or has totally taken over....I am certain Walter's hasn't gotten real stupid overnight, moreso has forgotten he is the Boss and actually has a set of plumbs dangling between his legs and needs to take control back...or get out of the way and we get someone else in who will

Honestly tho...I think after the yr is thru we move on with Osh, and get a new fresh guy in their who knows talent and x' and o's and keep moving forward...For most part players coming in now....new to league....or just new to team don't know Osh from spit...and have no allegiance to him or this fascination he is the be all end all....

Thats the Status of Collaros...and squad

 

Edited yesterday at 05:14 PM by Booch

[JuranBoldenRules]

9 hours ago, ShyGuy said:

This is where the Brown vs. Collaros argument kind of falls apart from me. 

Yes Collaros was showing signs of slowing down, and yes Brown looked very promising in spot duty when he was here... but I'm not sure ANYONE in football would move on from a QB who was just off back-to-back MOP seasons, and the season we are talking about moving on from he was probably 3rd in the voting that year, and if the Argonauts don't go 16-2 is definitely the All-CFL QB... for someone who hasn't exactly lit the league on fire since he left. 

I also want to take this moment to throw some shade at MBT... of all the QBs in the league, he is the only one who hasn't completed a pass (to his team) 20+ yards past the line of scrimmage.

The decision is one that teams who contend for a long time have to make.  Collaros has been on borrowed time since 2018.  Dru Brown was insanely productive and with enough reps to know it wasn't a mirage.  Like double the reps Mike Reilly had before Edmonton handed him the keys and contended for the next half decade.  Wally Buono made similar decisions about 4 times in his career.

Basically could have handed Collaros back to Hamilton or maybe even Toronto to play out his career.  Not the worst thing, it's where they live (his family).  Tough decision, but those have to be made.  No one would have been worse off.  Collaros playing pretty poorly in terms of putting up points in playoff games since the 2019 playoffs would have helped my decision making.

[Brandon]

I don't blame the team for moving on from Dru Brown  at that time Zach was still playing really well. 

What I don't get is that extension in the off season... last year Zach was terrible (outside of the Edmonton game) and they gave him another year before seeing if he was going to bounce back?   What makes it double dumb is we have Strev who I "assumed" was going to take over for Zach ,  so delaying the transition for another year?   IMO this season should of been a season where Zach takes less snaps and Strev gets more play time.    If Zach came back and lit up the league with an MOP season then we pay him the money.    If he plays like how he has played so far this season (poorly)  the team would officially make Strev our starter now with Zach as the veteran back up insurance.   During the off season we offer Zach a nice veteran backup offer and only keep him at a fraction of his cost as veteran backup.  Nearly every team is set at QB so if Edmonton were willing to offer him 650 k to start next season then so be it.    Sign Fajardo as a back up for $300k an use that money savings from Zach for an all star free agent....

Edited 16 hours ago by Brandon

[17to85]

11 hours ago, Brandon said:

at that time Zach was still playing really well. 

He wasn't though. That yesr was the start of his fall off. He was still living off his reputation at that point. Brown outperformed collaros that season.

[blue85gold]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

He wasn't though. That yesr was the start of his fall off. He was still living off his reputation at that point. Brown outperformed collaros that season.

It was the start of his fall off but don't act like he was garbage. He threw for 33 TDs.

Brown played great that season but it would have taken balls to move on from ZC. Clearly too big of a gamble for Walters and OSH.

[Booch]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

He wasn't though. That yesr was the start of his fall off. He was still living off his reputation at that point. Brown outperformed collaros that season.

2023...was the start of the decline...and been onging...

[Booch]

7 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

It was the start of his fall off but don't act like he was garbage. He threw for 33 TDs.

Brown played great that season but it would have taken balls to move on from ZC. Clearly too big of a gamble for Walters and OSH.

good teams...have the balls and the foresight....forward thinking/looking....we have failed badly at that....no succession plan for any vet that just doesnt have it anymore...or for a guy who chose to move on.....let alone any injury we incur

Can always say it's easy to say now...but a lot of the good coach/G.M's from the past made the moves to the dismay of fans and did quite well in doing so

Regular season success and stats are all fine and dandy if that is what you look at as a successful season, but when rubber meets road and you falling on your face when it matters due to some pretty obvious reasons, then things need to be switched up

Name a yr in the 5 where ZC carried us and we won because of him?....other than the WF last yr which was a combination of a horrid Sask defensive gae plan...and Lawler doing what you pay him the big bucks for....I can't think of any where he grabbed the team by the bootstraps and dragged us to victory

And now we don't have a Lawler to do that, or any real game breaker receivers to bail out ZC

Nor do we have any real difference maker/impact defensive guys who can take over a game with momentum shifting plays, so we in tough right now with this current configuration of the team and thats not even taking into accoubnt what has been a lot of piss poor coaching and preparation of late

Will another dud on Friday, and dropping 4 straight to go to under .500 cause any changes?...sure as hell hope so, and better be

They always say it's tough to win back to back against a team...and should be especially so when at home...well CGY ate our lunch...stole our car and took our chick home....if the Ago's do the same....**** better hit the fan inside the walls of PA stadium

[17to85]

1 hour ago, blue85gold said:

It was the start of his fall off but don't act like he was garbage. He threw for 33 TDs.

Brown played great that season but it would have taken balls to move on from ZC. Clearly too big of a gamble for Walters and OSH.

Collaros started the year as the MOP front runner and the fell off HARD and Brady was the guy that dragged the offense along the rest of the year (and has since). Was plain as day what was happening and the Bombers went the "safe" route rather than taking the risk which ultimately would have been better for the team. 

[blue85gold]

1 minute ago, 17to85 said:

Collaros started the year as the MOP front runner and the fell off HARD and Brady was the guy that dragged the offense along the rest of the year (and has since). Was plain as day what was happening and the Bombers went the "safe" route rather than taking the risk which ultimately would have been better for the team. 

Agree with that but with how healthy Brown has been since he left I don't know where we'd be now. 

With Brown more money freed up elsewhere, but our oline would have got him killed too.

[Booch]

2 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

Agree with that but with how healthy Brown has been since he left I don't know where we'd be now. 

With Brown more money freed up elsewhere, but our oline would have got him killed too.

Yeah...but would he have gotten hurt here how he did there?...That's something that can't be determined and not like it was some chronic injury we knew he had and had issues with it here...And in 2023/2024 if he was handed the reigns after ZC got his noodle rocked in Edm....he did have significantly better talent and coaching all around him...so hard to say if he would have got beat up...he never really did when he did play...and his price tage would have allowed us to retain say a Lawler...or go after some legit FA talent.....coulda woulda shoulda I guess eh?