Blue Bombers - 2025 Regular Season - Discussion Thread

[JuranBoldenRules]

15 minutes ago, Noeller said:

If it's a hurt Alexander or a healthy MBT, I'm still going Alexander. Injured DA at least gives you a chance. MBT is toast before it even begins. But it absolutely is the exact type of thing Osh would do and get ROASTED for on here...

MBT is wrecked too.  He did not get a needed elbow surgery because they literally had no one to bring in.

[HardCoreBlue]

30 minutes ago, Noeller said:

If it's a hurt Alexander or a healthy MBT, I'm still going Alexander. Injured DA at least gives you a chance. MBT is toast before it even begins. But it absolutely is the exact type of thing Osh would do and get ROASTED for on here...

Man i think you’re off on this. Zac was hurt on a key part of his body, his throwing hand. He had no business going back into the game. This is the exact reason you employ/dress more than one QB. We had a healthy qb on the sidelines and for those that say he would have stunk not CFL material, one no one here has a crystal ball so we will never know and two if it was indeed a fact TW had no business being on the field for the big game then that’s a  whole other discussion to have on why even dress the guy, it’s embarrassing if that was the mentality of the coaching staff/management about TW, what a waste of spot.

[Booch]

13 hours ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Man i think you’re off on this. Zac was hurt on a key part of his body, his throwing hand. He had no business going back into the game. This is the exact reason you employ/dress more than one QB. We had a healthy qb on the sidelines and for those that say he would have stunk not CFL material, one no one here has a crystal ball so we will never know and two if it was indeed a fact TW had no business being on the field for the big game then that’s a  whole other discussion to have on why even dress the guy, it’s embarrassing if that was the mentality of the coaching staff/management about TW, what a waste of spot.

2022 Cup loss...a nobody inexperienced QB....a rookie for that matter came into game...and beat us...the heavy favorite..and he came in cause Dinwiddie saw they needed to make a change....not even really injury as Looney Tunes coulda still played....you dont know until you know....and a reason we have failed....ZC hurt 2 Cups....One cup 3 receivers were pointless....Biggie playing in another for no reason at all.....But we have all these starter quality backups but wouldnt trust them in the game.....piss poor coaching and that cant be denied

At least Dolegala had league experience...got wins as a starter....all he needed to do was manage the game....get good coaching in the game....rely on our bread and butter...BO.....but nope....

[HardCoreBlue]

14 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

MBT is wrecked too.  He did not get a needed elbow surgery because they literally had no one to bring in.

Difference here was TW was not wrecked, he was a 100% healthy QB.

So if the mentality is you have a 100% healthy QB at your disposal that you absolutely will not utilize even if your starting QB is playing at 50% there is something amiss here and deserves scrutiny not just at the coaching level but at the management/scouting levels. And it doesn't mean we hate MOS.

Edited 4 hours ago by HardCoreBlue

[Booch]

1 hour ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Difference here was TW was not wrecked, he was a 100% healthy QB.

So if the mentality is you have a 100% healthy QB at your disposal that you absolutely will not utilize even if your starting QB is playing at 50% there is something amiss here and deserves scrutiny not just at the coaching level but at the management/scouting levels. And it doesn't mean we hate MOS.

Dolegala...an experienced to an extent starter was healthy too

[JohnnyAbonny]

30 minutes ago, Booch said:

Dolegala...an experienced to an extent starter was healthy too

Dolegala not getting a chance in that game perplexed me the most. Absolutely would have been better than handless Zach. 
Sure, he’s not the greatest but he’s capable of winning games. Hell, he had a win against us the year before in the LDC did he not? 

Edited 3 hours ago by JohnnyAbonny

[HardCoreBlue]

32 minutes ago, Booch said:

Dolegala...an experienced to an extent starter was healthy too

For some reason I forgot he was dressed as well.

Two 100% healthy QB's available but, again, if the mentality was that both weren't even close to being serviceable as options that's a much different conversation to have.

[17to85]

And you can maybe excuse them for playing collaros in 2022 with the bum ankle.... but leaving him in when he couldn't grip the ball in 2024... just inexcusable. And dressing 3 hurt receivers and a hurt bighill in 2023 is just inexcusable. 

[blue85gold]

5 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

And you can maybe excuse them for playing collaros in 2022 with the bum ankle.... but leaving him in when he couldn't grip the ball in 2024... just inexcusable. And dressing 3 hurt receivers and a hurt bighill in 2023 is just inexcusable. 

Ya 2022 is very comparable to what the Als did this year. 

2023 was just a disgrace dressing all those injured players. 

2024 should have pulled him but I think we were pretty screwed either way with who the back ups were and how TO's D was playing. 

[Booch]

51 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

For some reason I forgot he was dressed as well.

Two 100% healthy QB's available but, again, if the mentality was that both weren't even close to being serviceable as options that's a much different conversation to have.

THEN ....why they even on the roster??...just incompetence if thats how they felt....but it is just a matter of Osh doin the Osh......guy for all his pluses...has some serious negatives/flaws...and it's cost us dearly moe than it's benefitted us

44 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

And you can maybe excuse them for playing collaros in 2022 with the bum ankle.... but leaving him in when he couldn't grip the ball in 2024... just inexcusable. And dressing 3 hurt receivers and a hurt bighill in 2023 is just inexcusable. 

It was apparent early tho it severly afftected his ability to throw, as he couldn't plant and fure...and was a sitting duck....made it easy to defend us....We had a back-up for a reason...to be used when necessary...and we didnt

Sometimes in a Grey Cup the least likely guy, or a guy coming in due to injury is a huge contributor....will never happen here tho under this current set-up

39 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

Ya 2022 is very comparable to what the Als did this year. 

2023 was just a disgrace dressing all those injured players. 

2024 should have pulled him but I think we were pretty screwed either way with who the back ups were and how TO's D was playing. 

I think with the Al's MBT wasn't really healthy either, so they went with the gimo who gave em the best chance

[bigg jay]

21 minutes ago, Booch said:

THEN ....why they even on the roster??...just incompetence if thats how they felt....but it is just a matter of Osh doin the Osh......guy for all his pluses...has some serious negatives/flaws...and it's cost us dearly moe than it's benefitted us

It was apparent early tho it severly afftected his ability to throw, as he couldn't plant and fure...and was a sitting duck....made it easy to defend us....We had a back-up for a reason...to be used when necessary...and we didnt

Sometimes in a Grey Cup the least likely guy, or a guy coming in due to injury is a huge contributor....will never happen here tho under this current set-up

I think with the Al's MBT wasn't really healthy either, so they went with the gimo who gave em the best chance

We have seen that scenario way too many times, especially in the last few years,

2022 - MBT is struggling and the Argos turn to Chad Kelly.  

2024 - Chad Kelly get hurt in the Eastern Final and Argos turn to Nick Arbuckle. 

[HardCoreBlue]

8 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

We have seen that scenario way too many times, especially in the last few years,

2022 - MBT is struggling and the Argos turn to Chad Kelly.  

2024 - Chad Kelly get hurt in the Eastern Final and Argos turn to Nick Arbuckle. 

What frustrates me (doesn’t take much) around these parts with some is the argument implying and/or saying we didn’t have the options like TO had here. Our options were actually not options so stop complaining there was nothing MOS could have done other than going with ZC.

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Edited 1 hour ago by HardCoreBlue

[HardCoreBlue]

53 minutes ago, Booch said:

THEN ....why they even on the roster??...just incompetence if thats how they felt....but it is just a matter of Osh doin the Osh......guy for all his pluses...has some serious negatives/flaws...and it's cost us dearly moe than it's benefitted us

It was apparent early tho it severly afftected his ability to throw, as he couldn't plant and fure...and was a sitting duck....made it easy to defend us....We had a back-up for a reason...to be used when necessary...and we didnt

Sometimes in a Grey Cup the least likely guy, or a guy coming in due to injury is a huge contributor....will never happen here tho under this current set-up

I think with the Al's MBT wasn't really healthy either, so they went with the gimo who gave em the best chance

Our BB coaches/management are smart people, I think it's more stubbornness, confirmation bias, blind spots and loyalty all working together here. We are all guilty of doing these things in our lives (some more than others) btw but still doesn't give them an out here.

[Booch]

58 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

We have seen that scenario way too many times, especially in the last few years,

2022 - MBT is struggling and the Argos turn to Chad Kelly.  

2024 - Chad Kelly get hurt in the Eastern Final and Argos turn to Nick Arbuckle. 

2024...ZC has finger basically reattached...sent out there with glove...and is throwing long passes...picked repeatedly...is utterly useless...

 

29 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Our BB coaches/management are smart people, I think it's more stubbornness, confirmation bias, blind spots and loyalty all working together here. We are all guilty of doing these things in our lives (some more than others) btw but still doesn't give them an out here.

The way things have panned out alot..repeatedly...fir yrs...seems to be the opposite of smart