Blue Bombers - 2025 Regular Season - Discussion Thread

[ShyGuy]

2 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Partially torn is a torn ACL and is how it is commonly reported as simply a torn ACL.

[citation needed]

 

We are talking about an Athletic Therapist... not an orthopedic surgeon or anything too right? His job is to do non-invasive tests and then refer him to specialists. It's not going to be malpractice if he goes 'his knee is ******' and the specialist agrees, and the team allows him to trot himself out there in a huge ass knee brace to approximate the support a functioning ACL would give him. It might rise to the level of malpractice he is failed to (or incorrectly gave) give the Lachman test, and then sent him back out there with a couple strips of KT Tape or something... but obviously there was a plan, go on the 6 game, attempt to rehab, go out there in a brace and give it your best shot.

Some choice quotes about this

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/2025/09/05/schoens-2025-campaign-ends

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“He could’ve had surgery however many weeks ago, but he put the team first,” said quarterback Zach Collaros.

“I don’t know if there’s an example of a receiver trying to play through an injury like that. And then, as well as he played last game, I think he still won every rep that he took. I just love the guy, he’s so tough, and cares so much about his teammates, and specifically cares about the people in this building — that’s why he lays his body out on the line. I can’t say enough good things about Dalton.”

https://www.sportsnet.ca/cfl/article/blue-bombers-wr-dalton-schoen-out-for-season-with-torn-acl/

 

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Winnipeg Blue Bombers head coach Mike O’Shea told reporters on Friday that the talented receiver is out for the season.

He revealed Schoen tore the ACL in the July 3 road game against the Calgary Stampeders. Rather than have surgery like he did when he tore the same ACL in his left knee last year, Schoen tried to rehab it while on the six-game injured list.

 

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Bombers quarterback Zach Collaros said it’s “awesome” to have Wilson back, but he really feels for Schoen.

“Just selfless,” he said of Schoen. “What happened to his knee in Week 4 and then trying to rehab it as much as he possibly could to be back out there for the team … I don’t think should be discounted.”

But I think this argument is starting to miss the forest for the trees... what is absolutely fact is that going into a crucial home-and-home series against your biggest rival, immediately after a game where your backup QB (who also was less than 1 year removed from ACL surgery) had to take significant snaps at receiver, they decided the best thing for the WR corps was trotting out someone they KNEW only had one good knee... it was mostly just dumb luck that he made it all the way to the end of the game or else we would have been seeing more of Streveler WR4 again.

3 minutes ago, Booch said:

would they not have said partially torn then? If it was partial...

And he would have consulted with the physician first....not the AT....

You can sure....rehab a partially torn one minimally....and with success as a non-athlete....but without surgery the risk to fully tearing  a given playing sports....joe schmoe on the street can live with it....rest...therapy and drugs can help....but dont fix

also.....thing to consider...the recovery time for a partial tear is similar to that of a complete tear for both surgical and non surgical options....so there is that too, and no way shape or form did he accumulate 10 to 12 months of rehab on the 6 game (generally the timeframe to get back on field....not necessarily back to where you were) ....and why I say either way....there was no way any "rehab" was beneficial enough to allow him to play and was just postponing the inevitable....surgery and 12 months of rehab...and was stupid....not well thought out and pointless...as we saw

where is the literature regarding our therapist as most respected in Canada....curious....not saying he's not good...as he is and I have worked with him so know all about him...but I have never heard that said anywhere but here

https://www.bluebombers.com/alain-couture/

 

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Widely considered one of the best in his field by players, coaches, therapists and doctors across the Canadian Football League,

It would be funny if a team had a page for their Head Athletic Therapist and didn't goose him up a bit

"Hey this is our Athletic Therapist. He's pretty mid, but he tries his best and we love him anyways"

[GCn20]

24 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

[citation needed]

 

We are talking about an Athletic Therapist... not an orthopedic surgeon or anything too right? His job is to do non-invasive tests and then refer him to specialists. It's not going to be malpractice if he goes 'his knee is ******' and the specialist agrees, and the team allows him to trot himself out there in a huge ass knee brace to approximate the support a functioning ACL would give him. It might rise to the level of malpractice he is failed to (or incorrectly gave) give the Lachman test, and then sent him back out there with a couple strips of KT Tape or something... but obviously there was a plan, go on the 6 game, attempt to rehab, go out there in a brace and give it your best shot.

Some choice quotes about this

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/2025/09/05/schoens-2025-campaign-ends

https://www.sportsnet.ca/cfl/article/blue-bombers-wr-dalton-schoen-out-for-season-with-torn-acl/

 

 

But I think this argument is starting to miss the forest for the trees... what is absolutely fact is that going into a crucial home-and-home series against your biggest rival, immediately after a game where your backup QB (who also was less than 1 year removed from ACL surgery) had to take significant snaps at receiver, they decided the best thing for the WR corps was trotting out someone they KNEW only had one good knee... it was mostly just dumb luck that he made it all the way to the end of the game or else we would have been seeing more of Streveler WR4 again.

https://www.bluebombers.com/alain-couture/

 

It would be funny if a team had a page for their Head Athletic Therapist and didn't goose him up a bit

"Hey this is our Athletic Therapist. He's pretty mid, but he tries his best and we love him anyways"

I don't disagree that playing him was risky. However, he had a pretty decent stat line in that game and made some real clutch plays. Until the OT throw he was playing very well. Unfortunate he got hurt because it was one of his best games of the season and certainly miles better than anything Dillon Mitchell has done all year. He certainly didn't hamper, and only enhanced our ability to compete that game.  As a general rule I don't like rolling out guys that are injured, but we certainly don't know how he looked in practice, and that would have been a huge factor in the decision. Hindsight is 20/20. If he wasn't good enough to go I have every faith that Couture would have shut him down. If he didn't look ready to go I don't think MOS would have played him and he certainly looked good that entire game. It is unfortunate he reinjured himself but that was the direction the player chose to take, and he looked ready to perform. He wasn't gimpy by any stretch of the imagination. 

Edited 2 hours ago by GCn20

[Booch]

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

I don't disagree that playing him was risky. However, he had a pretty decent stat line in that game and made some real clutch plays. Until the OT throw he was playing very well. Unfortunate he got hurt because it was one of his best games of the season and certainly miles better than anything Dillon Mitchell has done all year. He certainly didn't hamper, and only enhanced our ability to compete that game.  As a general rule I don't like rolling out guys that are injured, but we certainly don't know how he looked in practice, and that would have been a huge factor in the decision. Hindsight is 20/20. If he wasn't good enough to go I have every faith that Couture would have shut him down. If he didn't look ready to go I don't think MOS would have played him and he certainly looked good that entire game. It is unfortunate he reinjured himself but that was the direction the player chose to take, and he looked ready to perform. He wasn't gimpy by any stretch of the imagination. 

Yeah I think we all agree to some extent...with varying points of view

Fact of matter regardless of partial...full...or he grew a third one that was dangling in the way...he was gonna go down for good...or make it worse...and just delayed his comeback date a season essentially ..and well he went down for good the first game they tried it...applaud him for wanting to but the powers that be should have thanked him but said no beueno 

And he was kinda gimpy...no explosion...couldn't separate...and had alligator arms...also on the pick that went back to the house...he couldn't cut and come back effectively...and yhe db jumped it...he was playing in a limited capacity 

OSH also has a history of playing guys Cleary not good to go...so id give him zero leeway there

Edited 47 minutes ago by Booch