Blue Bombers - 2025 Regular Season - Discussion Thread

[Tracker]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

Tony? Yes. Couple teams are struggling with lber and Tony has the pop on film and star box. What would we get? Idk 3-4th rounder probably? 

Kyrie? No.

Big Stan? Modest return but yes. I think some one would give a 5th or lower to mainly be a player coach who can start in the stretch run. 
 

Nichols would get interest, maybe a 2-3rd. Holm maybe 3-4. 
 

Vaughters/wj have more value. But wj won’t likely keep it high for as long. 1-2nd. 
 

Does having a fire sale help us become a better team sooner? Imo no. I think we’d end up with 2 really good years of rookie ni crops but end up not having enough spaces for those guys. 
 

The moves to make would be seeing if we can hold wink any one into giving us value for guys like Thomas/kola.  1 or 2 moves to bring in players who help us today, and possible getting Wilson back from the nfl while jettisoning the worst of what we have. 
 

I think a big move that could happen and could help us is actually trading strev. Swapping him for another teams vet back up qb would shake up our locker room in a big way. With all the injuries around the league I think a couple teams would be interested. Maybe you kick in a depth guy/pick to get a slight upgrade in talent and a good upgrade in fit. 

Druther trade Collaros. He hasn't shown himself to be substantially better than Streveler and his contract is weighing the team down.

[wbbfan]

1 minute ago, Tracker said:

Druther trade Collaros. He hasn't shown himself to be substantially better than Streveler and his contract is weighing the team down.

I don’t think any one would give up any asset for zach. Especially not on that deal and with a year next year on the books. 
Any team that would want him would wait it out for him to be released. 

[Brandon]

43 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

I don’t think any one would give up any asset for zach. Especially not on that deal and with a year next year on the books. 
Any team that would want him would wait it out for him to be released. 

I think the only chance of Zach getting a trade is if someone else gets a season ending injury and they are desperate for a vet.  

[Goalie]

1 hour ago, Tracker said:

Druther trade Collaros. He hasn't shown himself to be substantially better than Streveler and his contract is weighing the team down.

lol. Streveler throws for 150 a game. Zach had that at half. I mean really. He is substantially better. Streveler sucks dude. He can’t pass and he can’t run. He should be released cuz I doubt he has any value either. To who? What team needs a dude who can’t throw or run. He’s 31 32. He ain’t getting better he’s getting worse. Acting like he wasn’t the starter pre Zach is wild. Zach took his job dude. 

Edited 19 hours ago by Goalie

[Noeller]

Just Neg list but they're definitely trying to find some DBs since we're so beat up....

 

 

[17to85]

58 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Streveler throws for 150 a game. Zach had that at half.

And then stopped doing anything.... so what's the ******* difference? People bend over backwards to make excuses for Zach but **** all over streveler for the same problems. Ol not good enough,  receivers not good enough,  game plan not good enough. Been saying it for weeks now, this teams problems are less qb related and more everything else related.

[Pete]

3 hours ago, Goalie said:

Strev for Powell in Hamilton? They like Tuas Bro no. Think Hamilton might take one of our guys also in a maybe bigger deal. Maybe they throw in a receiver (they are stacked there) 

 

how do you get Powell plus Bridges to Winnipeg? lol.  With Kenny there Bridges ain’t being targeted as much. Last year dude was a rock star tho. I’d take a shot on him. 

Crazy talk, Hamiltons just turned things around this season, not doing anything major now

[bigg jay]

3 hours ago, Noeller said:

Just Neg list but they're definitely trying to find some DBs since we're so beat up....

 

 

He was on our list previously.  He was only taken off a few days ago.

[wbbfan]

10 hours ago, Brandon said:

I think the only chance of Zach getting a trade is if someone else gets a season ending injury and they are desperate for a vet.  

And maybe multiple guys at that. If the Als lost Alexander and MBT for instance. Even then, most of the teams around the league have a decent vet back up qb, who are significantly cheaper. 

9 hours ago, 17to85 said:

And then stopped doing anything.... so what's the ******* difference? People bend over backwards to make excuses for Zach but **** all over streveler for the same problems. Ol not good enough,  receivers not good enough,  game plan not good enough. Been saying it for weeks now, this teams problems are less qb related and more everything else related.

Most of that was just to brady on check downs and 1 leak out too lol We can go back to every play off game with zach save for 1, and 90% of last year too. 

 

 

[Booch]

10 hours ago, Goalie said:

lol. Streveler throws for 150 a game. Zach had that at half. I mean really. He is substantially better. Streveler sucks dude. He can’t pass and he can’t run. He should be released cuz I doubt he has any value either. To who? What team needs a dude who can’t throw or run. He’s 31 32. He ain’t getting better he’s getting worse. Acting like he wasn’t the starter pre Zach is wild. Zach took his job dude. 

to be honest over the course of his starts he averages about 209 yards...not stellar by any means but not as bad as you make it out.....and as for his running....I wouldn't judge that until next yr as he is just a yr removed from a knee reebuild...an injury 1000's of guys come back from, but as mentioned here by others, and from first hand experience it 90% of times takes a good full yr to actually get back to where you were before injury. and that injury too sits in your head until you finally realize you are 100 percent....so writing him totally off at this point is not warramted....it definitely effects his pocket presence as well and self preservation....

Next yr tho we are tied to ZC....and then just rookies and no experience guys barring any trade, so let ZC...Strev and whomever else is here battle it out in a full on open competition for the starter, and then sort it out who is the best...we may unfortunately be in the deep woods wandering for a yr our 2 at the position and on offence as a whole, so smart forward thinking would be to shoring up this yrs defense as best we can ...figure out and find who our best players are...with no bias involved be it tenure...nationality or type of glue they apparently bring and hope we can ride them as the backbone and still be successful while we sort out offence

9 hours ago, 17to85 said:

And then stopped doing anything.... so what's the ******* difference? People bend over backwards to make excuses for Zach but **** all over streveler for the same problems. Ol not good enough,  receivers not good enough,  game plan not good enough. Been saying it for weeks now, this teams problems are less qb related and more everything else related.

last several seasons he has had a lot of sub 200 yard games as well...and looked horrible in the process...has thrown double digit int's 4 of last 6 yrs and well on his way to 5 in last 7.....pro's and con's on all sides of our QB situation

We effed up not retaining Brown and rolling with guys from the 2 cup urs at several spots as Osh still lived in past and considered them these unreal best of the best....no forward thinking

If we kept Brown....and also had Strev and a coaching team and co-ordinator to create something to compliment their styes...and ut pretty similar really, as both work well in a roll out and srint offence....we would be light yrs ahead where we are ow, and good cgance Strev would have actually been developed more and not beat to a pulp and forced into a system not suited to him

Edited 8 hours ago by Booch

[Booch]

6 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

And maybe multiple guys at that. If the Als lost Alexander and MBT for instance. Even then, most of the teams around the league have a decent vet back up qb, who are significantly cheaper. 

Most of that was just to brady on check downs and 1 leak out too lol We can go back to every play off game with zach save for 1, and 90% of last year too. 

 

 

yup....thats why stats are misleading....and not knowing the context or time and circumstance of it

I don't think ZC has the ability now to drag a team to victory on his back...unless everything is perfect for him and he has a certain type of player who can bail him out a lot and making him look better than he actually is....and we don't have those guys anymore

Prime Schoen...Lawler...Bailey making a lot of the tough and grimy catches and then yac after....as well as physical presence keeping DB's honest...Woli and what he did...Darvin and the tough and timely grabs...plus the leadership he brought and the do it like me presence....we have so let our receiver group turn into garbage, add in a convenience hire for OC...Basically a guy with no real experience other than being B0's hype coach...well you see what we get

[BaconNBigBlue]

Streveler has heart and that puts him above Zach.  Old Zach and his cool calm no emotion demeanor was ok as he got the job done.  New Zach's brooding no emotion demeanor means little based on performance.  Chris is a hype guy and lifts the people around him.  Once he's fully 100% I believe he'll compete.  Us armchair coaches don't know the full extent of what a player is playing through.  I'd rather an upbeat amp'd up guy that gives it his all versus a guy that quietly doesn't accomplish much.

 

Edited 7 hours ago by BaconNBigBlue

[Booch]

4 minutes ago, BaconNBigBlue said:

Streveler has heart and that puts him above Zach.  Old Zach and his cool calm no emotion demeanor was ok as he got the job done.  New Zach's brooding no emotion demeanor means little based on performance.  Chris is a hype guy and lifts the people around him.  Once he's fully 100% I believe he'll compete.  Us armchair coaches don't know the full extent of what a player is playing through.  I'd rather an upbeat amd'd up guy that gives it his all versus a guy that quietly doesn't accomplish much.

 

yeah next yr is the judgement time for Strev....pretty hard to base any opinion on him all things considered this yr....amazing he actually on the field

Poor group of guys to throw to....a revolving door on oline.....worst center in the league....O.C who has zero clue.....but attitude of a 25 yr coach who has been uber succesful....continually out coached gane in and gae out....we rarely look prepared.....good luck with that for any Q.B.....It effects ZC too....tho he is in serious decline and a lot of it is in his head now....he seems panicked more than not....hence all his picks last 2..3 yrs

[Tracker]

13 hours ago, Noeller said:

Just Neg list but they're definitely trying to find some DBs since we're so beat up....

 

 

A cornerback and apparently smart.

4 hours ago, BaconNBigBlue said:

Streveler has heart and that puts him above Zach.  Old Zach and his cool calm no emotion demeanor was ok as he got the job done.  New Zach's brooding no emotion demeanor means little based on performance.  Chris is a hype guy and lifts the people around him.  Once he's fully 100% I believe he'll compete.  Us armchair coaches don't know the full extent of what a player is playing through.  I'd rather an upbeat amp'd up guy that gives it his all versus a guy that quietly doesn't accomplish much.

 

God knows that sad sack lot played like they need a heart transplant last Saturday.

[Brandon]

4 hours ago, wbbfan said:

And maybe multiple guys at that. If the Als lost Alexander and MBT for instance. Even then, most of the teams around the league have a decent vet back up qb, who are significantly cheaper.

I'm just saying I'd trade Zach for MBT in a heart beat.    Not because I have "faith" in MBT.... mostly because we get a durable QB and we get rid of that albatross of a contract.    

Next year start fresh with a lot more money.   If MBT can perform I can't imagine signing him for another year would be $600 000..... 

[wbbfan]

1 minute ago, Brandon said:

I'm just saying I'd trade Zach for MBT in a heart beat.    Not because I have "faith" in MBT.... mostly because we get a durable QB and we get rid of that albatross of a contract.    

Next year start fresh with a lot more money.   If MBT can perform I can't imagine signing him for another year would be $600 000..... 

yeah, I'm in the same boat. 

[rebusrankin]

MBT has been fairly awful this year and has been pulled for Evans in each of the last two weeks but honestly I'd be tempted to do this too, just to get out of the likely 600k we'll owe Zach next year.

[JuranBoldenRules]

5 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

MBT has been fairly awful this year and has been pulled for Evans in each of the last two weeks but honestly I'd be tempted to do this too, just to get out of the likely 600k we'll owe Zach next year.

Him and Jarious Jackson have only been efficient passer/play caller together.  Otherwise they've both been awful in those roles in this league.

Only a portion of that contract is guaranteed and the likelihood of scooping anyone better than Collaros is almost nil.

Edited 4 hours ago by JuranBoldenRules

[GCn20]

6 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Him and Jarious Jackson have only been efficient passer/play caller together.  Otherwise they've both been awful in those roles in this league.

Only a portion of that contract is guaranteed and the likelihood of scooping anyone better than Collaros is almost nil.

Amazing what losing does to a fan bases common sense. "We are losing this is awful but I would significantly downgrade our starting QB to save money that we can't really spend right now because there is nothing worth it." Geez Louise.  People here expecting high level QBing on the cheap and it just doesn't happen all that often.

If we had a Dru Brown knocking on the door behind Collaros again, then it might be a valid idea but we don't and it becomes an over reach.

 

Edited 4 hours ago by GCn20

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

Are people already in next year country? WTF? 

Dark days. Dark days indeed. 

 

I don't care who you put under center behind this O-line and OC- you are not getting to the dance. 

A change at OC and something that ******* works to solidify that porous O-line is sorely needed. 

[Tracker]

6 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Amazing what losing does to a fan bases common sense. "We are losing this is awful but I would significantly downgrade our starting QB to save money that we can't really spend right now because there is nothing worth it." Geez Louise.  People here expecting high level QBing on the cheap and it just doesn't happen all that often.

If we had a Dru Brown knocking on the door behind Collaros again, then it might be a valid idea but we don't and it becomes an over reach.

 

"We" are not advocating to downgrade the QB position- Collaros has done that all by himself and Walters has just about painted himself into a corner with that bloated contract.

[Blue In BC]

16 hours ago, Tracker said:

Druther trade Collaros. He hasn't shown himself to be substantially better than Streveler and his contract is weighing the team down.

Even if there was interest, how do you trade a QB earning $600K+ and get anything back of value?

[Tracker]

1 minute ago, Blue In BC said:

Even if there was interest, how do you trade a QB earning $600K+ and get anything back of value?

It would be difficult, perhaps almost impossible unless a contender loses its starting QB for the year. But that is where we are.

[Booch]

12 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Amazing what losing does to a fan bases common sense. "We are losing this is awful but I would significantly downgrade our starting QB to save money that we can't really spend right now because there is nothing worth it." Geez Louise.  People here expecting high level QBing on the cheap and it just doesn't happen all that often.

If we had a Dru Brown knocking on the door behind Collaros again, then it might be a valid idea but we don't and it becomes an over reach.

 

is any other starter in this league a downgrade from ZC.....I'd say no

6 minutes ago, Wanna-B-Fanboy said:

Are people already in next year country? WTF? 

Dark days. Dark days indeed. 

 

I don't care who you put under center behind this O-line and OC- you are not getting to the dance. 

A change at OC and something that ******* works to solidify that porous O-line is sorely needed. 

with this current lineup...mlostly offensive side of ball as defence needs maybe 1...2 tweeks, and the coaching we got going on...we are in no way a legit threat to win the cup....heck even make the playoffs....so sadly we should be doing a good bulk of what needs to be done next yr....now...and be that much further ahead once camp opens

 

6 minutes ago, Blue In BC said:

Even if there was interest, how do you trade a QB earning $600K+ and get anything back of value?

well 200...or 250k of it was payed upfront....so take a third of that value off whats left...so not like a team is eating a whole whack of extra salary all of a sudden...just prorated balance of whatever is left in regards to games played....be an easy flip

[wbbfan]

42 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

MBT has been fairly awful this year and has been pulled for Evans in each of the last two weeks but honestly I'd be tempted to do this too, just to get out of the likely 600k we'll owe Zach next year.

The upside with MBT, is he worked very well with jackson.