Calling a North American indigenous person Indian may not be the same as using the N word, but it's by no means acceptable and never should've been. I mean, FFS... It was incorrectly used based on a navigation error and assumptions by colonial imperialists several centuries ago and persisted into the late 20th century. It can absolutely be taken as a racist term, based on the fact it was used out of ignorance from the beginning. If not that, at the very least it's highly derogatory. 

IMO, using that term isn't like using black or white, either. The equivalent of that would be calling an indigenous person red because it's based on skin tone.

Edited July 13, 20205 yr by blue_gold_84

16 hours ago, Floyd said:

Aside from the logo, I don't see how Braves is a racist name - is it not akin to Cowboys, Vikings and Patriots?

I was going to say that. Redskins, Indians, sure those ones are suspect but Braves is different to me. 

2 hours ago, Floyd said:

All I get is CBC out here... and every news cycle they mention 'the Edmonton football club'

I do feel sorry for you,  CBC has a massive agenda so it's exactly the most reliable source of world news.   

 

52 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

Indian isn't the same a the N word otherwise it would be known as the I word.

The more you post the more you sound like you suffer from 'white guilt' but unless your family was part of the top 10% of earners the only thing you have in common with the Europeans who took over North America is your skin colour, which makes 'white guilt' pretty damn racist.

Indian requires either a West or East in front of it to be deemed not racist...  unless you speak to someone from India then it's a non issue at all.    Silly world we live in.  

58 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

Indian isn't the same a the N word otherwise it would be known as the I word.

The more you post the more you sound like you suffer from 'white guilt' but unless your family was part of the top 10% of earners the only thing you have in common with the Europeans who took over North America is your skin colour, which makes 'white guilt' pretty damn racist.

What on earth are you babbling about...

ive lived north of 60 for 25 years and worked for/with the Inuit and First Nations

you really are out of your depth - and the more you casually use those words to show how they are ‘not racist’ drmonstrates just how quietly racist they are...

 

10 minutes ago, Brandon said:

I do feel sorry for you,  CBC has a massive agenda so it's exactly the most reliable source of world news.   

 

Yeah I do have the internet as well but thanks for your concern

2 minutes ago, Floyd said:

What on earth are you babbling about...

ive lived north of 60 for 25 years and worked for/with the Inuit and First Nations

you really are out of your depth - and the more you casually use those words to show how they are ‘not racist’ drmonstrates just how quietly racist they are...

If you read what I was typing, instead of reacting emotionally, you'd understand what I'm saying.

I expect you will continue to throw around the racist taunt when I disagree with you because that's your way of 'discussing' this issue. Either agree with your take or be racist.

FTR: I completely disagree with judging people based on their skin colour or their race. I suspect you agree with that. The difference is, I include white people in my definition, and you don't seem to.

 

4 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

If you read what I was typing, instead of reacting emotionally, you'd understand what I'm saying.

I expect you will continue to throw around the racist taunt when I disagree with you because that's your way of 'discussing' this issue. Either agree with your take or be racist.

FTR: I completely disagree with judging people based on their skin colour or their race. I suspect you agree with that. The difference is, I include white people in my definition, and you don't seem to.

 

Dude I’m not emotional and I am very familiar with your devils advocate style 

yeah it’s great to say we all don’t care about skin colour blah blah - and then throw out the white people comment. Ha - nice deflection 

Enjoy your insulated Vancouver life buddy...  say hi to the Chinks and **** and Pakis for me

2 hours ago, M.Silverback said:

I hate when people do that with websites or trademarks. Just looking to hold a company or team hostage for a cash grab. Hope Washington chooses a name this guy did not trademark and he gets nothing.

Fun fact: The New England Patriots trademarked the phrases "19-0" and "Perfect season" before playing (and losing) the 2008 Superbowl.

TBurgess, man... stop digging.

14 minutes ago, Eternal optimist said:

TBurgess, man... stop digging.

people who hold racist beliefs have a hard time accepting that those beliefs are racist sometimes. 

1 hour ago, Floyd said:

Dude I’m not emotional and I am very familiar with your devils advocate style 

yeah it’s great to say we all don’t care about skin colour blah blah - and then throw out the white people comment. Ha - nice deflection 

Enjoy your insulated Vancouver life buddy...  say hi to the Chinks and **** and Pakis for me

I'm in Calgary these days, not Vancouver.

We should all agree that ***** is different from Chinese, Paki is different from East Indian, and Redskin is different from Indian. The first terms are definitely racist. The second terms have somehow morphed into becoming racist over the last few decades.

Edited July 13, 20205 yr by TBURGESS

Wonder if the feds will rename the Indian Act ?

8 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

The second terms have somehow morphed into becoming racist over the last few decades.

The term East Indian is ignorant. There's no East India; there's just India. Why are indigenous people in Canada still called Indians? It's simple: a history of ignorance. They're exonyms based on historical events from a long, long time ago.

Is it a racist term? I guess that's up for debate*. Maybe racially insensitive is a better term...? Who am I to say. But there's no question it's ignorant - and certainly inappropriate when taking today's sociocultural worldview into consideration.

* it isn't my say one way or the other but I think there's a case to be made for those who would deem it as racist

50 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said:

The term East Indian is ignorant. There's no East India; there's just India.

You've never gone downtown for delicious buffet lunch? 

Asked about President Trump's reaction to the Washington Redskins dropping their name, McEnany says "he believes that the Native American community would be very angry at this" cbsnews.com/live

???

8 hours ago, Floyd said:

Because it doesn't fit with your argument...?  Edmonton is all over the news today - linked with the Redskins name change...  you're delusional if you think govt wants to be anywhere near the CFL right now

You're over reaching a bit here. Don't want to be anywhere near the CFL? C'mon man. The govt advertises with the CFL & has for decades. 

8 hours ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

You know, it would be nice if just once everyone who gets so offended by a team nickname that they fill pages with outrage on social media devoted the same vitriol and energy to speaking out (or helping fix the problem) against the rates of poverty, lack of clean drinking water, and no road access to many northern reserves. 

And mercury poisoning. But those aren't social media issues worth discussing. Federal government knows the issues & has done nothing at Grassy Narrows for decades. I've never seen any outrage about that over here but a team name change??? Well, look at the anger. The oppression. Real world problems like mercury poisoning? Ignore, ignore. Name change for a team that doesn't offend everyone in the Inuit community? Let's go to war. 

Edited July 13, 20205 yr by SpeedFlex27

5 hours ago, Floyd said:

What on earth are you babbling about...

ive lived north of 60 for 25 years and worked for/with the Inuit and First Nations

you really are out of your depth - and the more you casually use those words to show how they are ‘not racist’ drmonstrates just how quietly racist they are...

 

So all that makes you the judge on what is and isn’t racist then? 

21 minutes ago, Tiny759 said:

So all that makes you the judge on what is and isn’t racist then? 

Go back under your bridge.

2 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

And mercury poisoning. But those aren't social media issues worth discussing. Federal government knows the issues & has done nothing at Grassy Narrows for decades. I've never seen any outrage about that over here but a team name change??? Well, look at the anger. The oppression. Real world problems like mercury poisoning? Ignore, ignore. Name change for a team that doesn't offend everyone in the Inuit community? Let's go to war. 

This thread is incredible - somehow the guys who are cool with Eskimo are now social justice warriors for mercury poisoning haha

whats sad is everyone commenting about clean water issues on First Nations probably doesn’t know just how much has been done to address this in the past couple years...

So to recap, insurance companies suck so it’s not fair to change the name because the Inuit have not held a referendum... ummmm

4 hours ago, TBURGESS said:

I'm in Calgary these days, not Vancouver.

We should all agree that ***** is different from Chinese, Paki is different from East Indian, and Redskin is different from Indian. The first terms are definitely racist. The second terms have somehow morphed into becoming racist over the last few decades.

cool - well you drive down to Stony Plain and go say hi to all the ‘Indians’ living there... go to the casino and have a beer talk about how Paki is offensive and Indian is not... neither are as bad as the n-word for sure... 

Best case scenario you won’t get your ass kicked and you will once and for all prove your moral high ground - I’ll wait in the Yukon for your update 

 

10 minutes ago, Floyd said:

This thread is incredible - somehow the guys who are cool with Eskimo are now social justice warriors for mercury poisoning haha

whats sad is everyone commenting about clean water issues on First Nations probably doesn’t know just how much has been done to address this in the past couple years...

So to recap, insurance companies suck so it’s not fair to change the name because the Inuit have not held a referendum... ummmm

 

Oh okay, Eskimo is racist but Braves isn't.  Got it. 

 

 

Edited July 14, 20205 yr by SpeedFlex27

21 minutes ago, Floyd said:

Go back under your bridge.

Said the troll. It was a genuine question but that’s ok. So as someone who can identify as indigenous, has lived beside a reserve, grown up with many friends from the reserve, and worked with First Nations, am I allowed to have authority over what is and isn’t racist? 

4 hours ago, Floyd said:

So to recap, insurance companies suck so it’s not fair to change the name because the Inuit have not held a referendum... ummmm

I gave you a real life example of blatant racism by an insurance company & you just sloughed it off like it isn't important. I thought what the insurance company did to that band councillor & his family  was absolutely brutal. I doubt if they'd even try that in 2020 but this was 1989. But hey, according to you I only posted that story because I think insurance companies suck? No, denying insurance coverage to s First Nations family was racism & that sucks. They would never have done that to a white family in Thompson. If all you take from that story is that I think insurance companies suck then you just don't get it.

BTW, I don't think insurance companies or the industry sucks. I was a claims adjuster for a lot of years in both property & auto. I was proud of the work I did. I liked helping people & companies get back on their feet again after a financial loss.  I've seen & experienced a lot of things doing claims. A lot of good & some bad.  Seeing corporate racism for the first & only time was unnerving & I felt really bad about what happened. So much so that I remember it 31 years later. 

Edited July 14, 20205 yr by SpeedFlex27