I didn't think we had a thread for this. 

Is Trudeau this out of touch or does he just not care?

 

6 minutes ago, iHeart said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-party-leadership-race-date-sept-1.6370977?fbclid=IwAR3b-K_rE4zlS1oU_D2lKq9KIj5Jw_2oaFapecgnByrtbpyIE39engC8kyc

That's a nice long race. Maybe they'll talk policies!

34 minutes ago, iHeart said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-party-leadership-race-date-sept-1.6370977?fbclid=IwAR3b-K_rE4zlS1oU_D2lKq9KIj5Jw_2oaFapecgnByrtbpyIE39engC8kyc

I would imagine that the behind-the-scenes stuff will closely resemble the "Succession" TV series.

Gives time for Ford to run.

Hooboy, wouldn't that be something? Ford, Poilievre, Charest, and who knows who else, running? That would certainly draw headlines and have a lot of fireworks. Two intellectual lightweights but very boisterous, along with the most seasoned politician and old school conservative?

 

oh dear god I hope he doesn't get any ideas, hell I'm hoping Kenney doesn't get any ideas

I think Charest will be seen as too much JT lite or as not a real conservative by the party membership.

30 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

I think Charest will be seen as too much JT lite or as not a real conservative by the party membership.

Yet he would be the one most likely to win a majority. Not loony enough to win the hearts and minds of the cretins.

I've read stuff on Twitter suggesting Kenney hopes to lose the confidence vote next month in Red Deer, get tossed and then free to run for the federal leadership. Not sure how much merit there is to it, but crazier things..... 

1 hour ago, rebusrankin said:

I think Charest will be seen as too much JT lite or as not a real conservative by the party membership.

MP Shannon Stubbs, who has endorsed Poilievre, wrote that Charest was too much like Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on issues including gun control and a carbon tax.

1 hour ago, Noeller said:

I've read stuff on Twitter suggesting Kenney hopes to lose the confidence vote next month in Red Deer, get tossed and then free to run for the federal leadership. Not sure how much merit there is to it, but crazier things..... 

not realising that failing so hard as a conservative premier in Alberta that they give you the boot means what the **** chance do you even have federally? 

 

No Kenney gets the old heave ho from the UCP I reckon that's the end of his political career.

@JCon paying any attention to the story about the funding Obby received from the PC's as part of the Buy Local initiative? His company, GoodLocal, received $500,000 - more than all the other companies that received assistance combined. Of course this was well before Obby even considered politics 🙄

The race for Fort Whyte is getting more interesting.

14 hours ago, WildPath said:

@JCon paying any attention to the story about the funding Obby received from the PC's as part of the Buy Local initiative? His company, GoodLocal, received $500,000 - more than all the other companies that received assistance combined. Of course this was well before Obby even considered politics 🙄

The race for Fort Whyte is getting more interesting.

There’s a football analogy joke in here somewhere but I just can’t find it.

15 hours ago, WildPath said:

@JCon paying any attention to the story about the funding Obby received from the PC's as part of the Buy Local initiative? His company, GoodLocal, received $500,000 - more than all the other companies that received assistance combined. Of course this was well before Obby even considered politics 🙄

The race for Fort Whyte is getting more interesting.

No way Obby gets that money without Treasury Board approval. Getting one-third of the entire pot? Wow 

It looks really, really bad for this govt. But, I don't think this govt can sink any lower. They are at the bottom feasting upon the scum. 

Obby is a loyal PC supporter with name recognition and got rewarded and now has a chance to win Fort Whyte.

33 minutes ago, JCon said:

No way Obby gets that money without Treasury Board approval. Getting one-third of the entire pot? Wow 

It looks really, really bad for this govt. But, I don't think this govt can sink any lower. They are at the bottom feasting upon the scum. 

It’s just a f’ing game to these people, doing sneaky schmarmie greasy things with one another behind the scenes cloaked with bullshit lines about wanting to serve and have really rationalized this bullshit in their heads as what great people they are. 

On 2022-03-03 at 9:14 PM, Noeller said:

I've read stuff on Twitter suggesting Kenney hopes to lose the confidence vote next month in Red Deer, get tossed and then free to run for the federal leadership. Not sure how much merit there is to it, but crazier things..... 

Having Kenny come in could quite likely spit the right wing vote with Poilievre. It could allow a more moderate Conservative ( Charest ) to slip in, depending how the vote shakes down. I can't see either Kenny or Poilievre winning an election. I doubt either could pull the center vote their way. 

1 hour ago, the watcher said:

Having Kenny come in could quite likely spit the right wing vote with Poilievre. It could allow a more moderate Conservative ( Charest ) to slip in, depending how the vote shakes down. I can't see either Kenny or Poilievre winning an election. I doubt either could pull the center vote their way. 

Thlng is, if Kenney beats out Poilievre, Poilievre's votes will swing to Kenney. Who ever comes out ahead, will win it on the next ballot, if the CPC swing full populist. 

 

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There are a lot more Reeves signs around me, thak Khan. It's early but this might be a race. 

Edited March 6, 20223 yr by JCon

4 minutes ago, JCon said:

Thlng is, if Kenney beats out Poilievre, Poilievre's votes will swing to Kenney. Who ever comes out ahead, will win it on the next ballot, if the CPC swing full populist. 

This is exact how otoole won. He pondered to the right wing and once the hard right so-cons dropped out their votes went to otoole. 

13 hours ago, JCon said:

Thlng is, if Kenney beats out Poilievre, Poilievre's votes will swing to Kenney. Who ever comes out ahead, will win it on the next ballot, if the CPC swing full populist. 

 

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There are a lot more Reeves signs around me, thak Khan. It's early but this might be a race. 

But it still depends on how the  vote shakes out. I have no feeling anymore about the % of hard right people in the party but if it's around % 50 you can get a spit of that vote and have a moderate sneak in. ( ala Joe Clark ) The question then becomes  an a moderate control the party. 

If the hard right numbers are over % 50 then you are absolutly right. A final vote would likely be a combined right wing vote. Again I can't see a Kenny or Poulievre winning a General election although you never know. I also think having a hard right opposition leader is really divisive for this country. 

2 hours ago, the watcher said:

But it still depends on how the  vote shakes out. I have no feeling anymore about the % of hard right people in the party but if it's around % 50 you can get a spit of that vote and have a moderate sneak in. ( ala Joe Clark ) The question then becomes  an a moderate control the party. 

If the hard right numbers are over % 50 then you are absolutly right. A final vote would likely be a combined right wing vote. Again I can't see a Kenny or Poulievre winning a General election although you never know. I also think having a hard right opposition leader is really divisive for this country. 

The way that Peter McKay was rejected in the last leadership selection and how otoole was booted for trying to be moderate after winning tells me that the right is fully in charge.

20 hours ago, JCon said:

No way Obby gets that money without Treasury Board approval. Getting one-third of the entire pot? Wow 

It looks really, really bad for this govt. But, I don't think this govt can sink any lower. They are at the bottom feasting upon the scum. 

Let me explain a bit more about what Treasury Board approval means. 

Each year, the Province hands out thousands of grants, across various departments and programs. 

Some, are done to a specific organization, for a specific value. For example, the United Way gets an operating grant each year. The amount is determined through an agreement between the Prov and the UW. On the grants listing, approved by Treasury Board and is approved when the budget is passed. The authority to pay the grant is delegated to the department to make the payment. The amount and timing is delegated. 

Then, there are granting programs, that are application based. If it's an ongoing program, usually there are application criteria and an evaluation process. A list of recipients is determined and it's typically signed off by the Minister (or delegated down to the office level). These would be smaller grants, under $25k but sometimes more. Treasury Board would delegate the authority to a maximum amount for an individual recipient and the total amount to be distributed by the entire program. 

If you want to make changes to either of those types of programs, you need to go back to Treasury Board and get their approval. This is a formal process. 

The last type that would be comparable, would have been this program that Khan would have applied for. An emergency program, done in haste to try to react to a new or developing situation. A department would have had to submit a TB submission to get the funds and the delegation of authority approved. Likely, TB would have authorized the funds and provided some delegation. Say, any grants under $10k, the department can approve but for anything else, you need to come back. Most likely, the entire list needed TB approval before award letters/commitments and payments were made. Reason being, this was a politically sensitive file and program.

So, I don't think that there is anyway that Khan was provided a $500k grant without the Secretary to Treasury Board and the Minister of Finance seeing and approving the list. The Secretary to Treasury Board's job is to be politically astute and help guide the gov't. 

I use Treasury Board and Treasury Board Secretariat interchangeably in the above. Treasury Board itself is a sub-committee of cabinet and made up of gov't MLAs and usually Ministers. Treasury Board Secretariat is civil service office that provides advice to gov't, as well as strategic planning. A few other roles but not really applicable in this case. 

EVIDENCE FOUND THAT CONSERVATIVES ARE SERIOUSLY ILL:

 

Even a mild COVID-19 infection can shrink your brain, study finds.  A study of brain scans of people before and after an infection found significant brain changes

Evidence is mounting that COVID-19, the disease caused by SARS-CoV-2, does not merely affect the lungs, but also can have deleterious effects on the brain. Recently, a number of studies found that COVID-19 is associated with an increased risk of neurological and psychiatric disorders, though the details around how the disease impacts the brain has remained unclear.

Now, according to the first study to compare brain scans of people before and after contracting COVID-19, researchers observed shrinkage and tissue damage in regions of the brain that are linked to mental capacities and smell after a person tested positive. The study was published in the journal Nature. 

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