Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

7 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said:

Whataboutism is so cheap and hollow. Yet another vain attempt at deflection.

Doesnt answer the question. Where is outrage then. If it isnt there its selective and therefore meaningless if you want to stake out the moral highground.

1 minute ago, Zontar said:

I want strength not weakness and not globalism, trendy socialism and cultural marxism. I want my country put FIRST.

"The historic and important agreement we all reached at Charlevoix will help make our economies stronger, ournpeople more prosperous, protect our environment and protect the rights of women and girls right around the world. THATS WHAT MATTERS.

This is the man you want in a negotiation with someone as strong anda country as powerful as the USA ?

This is the man weve entrusted our economic well being to?

A comedy sketch, if it wasnt so achingly pathetic and real.

One has nothing to do with the other.  You're under the mistaken impression I support JT.  I do not.

But no matter how right wing I might be, racist divisive rhetoric and imbecilic buffoonery is a red line for my support.  I cannot share White Nationalist values.  Im sorry it's not the same for you.

And if I DID support Trump, I would not be so blinded by my own obsession to think his remarks and those of his admin were reasonable.  I'd think back to my Kindergarten education where we learned insults and bully tactics were rude and inappropriate.  Trump might have missed kindergarten. 

And regardless of how much I dislike JT, I'd show some respect to the office he holds and accept the fact that his remarks were perfectly appropriate and every Canadian should be outraged that the US would invoke a national security lie that was only previously used against Libya and Iran. 

Whoops, there goes my common sense again.

23 minutes ago, Zontar said:

Trudeau has professed his love and admiration for Cuba and China. Obama and Cuba, Obamas sweetheart deal with iran, bows to king of saudi arabia

 Funny, how moral outrage can be so selective.

So are you saying that you will set a great example for everyone by expressing your outrage over Trump's dealings with NK?  Or are you exhibiting selective moral outrage?

3 minutes ago, Zontar said:

Doesnt answer the question. Where is outrage then. If it isnt there its selective and therefore meaningless if you want to stake out the moral highground.

Ummm plenty of people were outraged.  What the heck does it have to do with anything?

Its racist white nationalist supporters that are being selective by demanding outrage over Obama and praising Trump?  Hypocrite much?

Read it and puke....

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/391775-trump-i-trust-kim-and-he-trusts-me

 

12 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

So are you saying that you will set a great example for everyone by expressing your outrage over Trump's dealings with NK?  Or are you exhibiting selective moral outrage?

If it were up to me Trump would have NK on its knees.

But it was mere months ago, the establishment media, liberals, globalists were wailing over how  Trump was too hard on them, risking nuclear war.  Trump eases the supposed tensions and he now has to apologize for that? C'mon, pick one.

Edited June 12, 20187 yr by Zontar

5 minutes ago, Zontar said:

If it were up to me Trump would have NK on its knees.

But it was mere months ago, the establishment media, liberals, globalists were wailing over how  Trump was too hard on them, risking nuclear war.  Trump eases the supposed tensions and he now has to apologize for that? C'mon, pick one.

There is a lot of middle ground between ignorant saber-rattling rhetoric and fellatio.  Im sorry you insist on only those two choices.

Also, you didnt answer the question.  Are you being a morally selective hypocrite or are you wildly outraged over Trump on NK?

12 minutes ago, do or die said:

Read it and puke....

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/391775-trump-i-trust-kim-and-he-trusts-me

 

And as soon as Kim doesnt comply, Trump will say   1) he knew it from the moment he met him and was just playing him and     2) we wouldnt be in this mess if OBAMA and     3) What about Hilary.

5 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

There is a lot of middle ground between ignorant saber-rattling rhetoric and fellatio.  Im sorry you insist on only those two choices.

Also, you didnt answer the question.  Are you being a morally selective hypocrite or are you wildly outraged over Trump on NK?

Your real, genuine and profound concern for human rights of the people of NK is touching.

 I can barely wait to scroll back in this thread and read your praise for Trump and his former hardline policy.

5 minutes ago, Zontar said:

Your real, genuine and profound concern for human rights of the people of NK is touching.

 I can barely wait to scroll back in this thread and read your praise for Trump and his former hardline policy.

1) you still havent answered

2) Why so defensive?

3) I JUST wrote, in the comment you quoted how there is a lot of middle ground.  I didn't claim I disliked one and loved the other.  That would be the example I used to describe you.  There is also a difference between talking tough and being an idiot.  I generally like tough talk on vile dictators.  Most Trump supporters are VERY defensive which is why they are unwilling to ever give an inch, even on racism.  Sadly, it only emboldens the base.

As for caring about NK, it doesnt impact my life.  But as a human inhabitant of the Earth, I'd usually come down on the side of the people being starved, murdered and subjugated rather then the fat dicatator.  Granted, I dont think about it very often.  But when I do, that's usually a pretty easy choice.

LOL

Edited June 12, 20187 yr by The Unknown Poster

KJU got a lot done yesterday, Russia and China talking sanction reduction and SK and Japan less protected, and of course plenty of pictures with the old senile dotard that he scammed yesterday, NK will never get rid of their nukes, all they will say is they got rid of them and Trump will believe him because they trust each other.

14 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

 

Appreciate you admitted ,normally,  you couldnt care less about NK.

Trump makes people claim, suddenly , they really care about things. Coincidently, the same things Trump involves himself with.

 

 

Edited June 12, 20187 yr by Zontar

1 hour ago, Zontar said:

if it were up to me Trump would have NK on its knees.

The only way Trump can bring someone to their knees is with a large cash payment in a truck stop mens room. 

The guy is a pansy of a leader, which is why he tries to chum around with dictators, he figures if he associates with these people then he'll be seen as strong too. The reality is that he's a blubbering weak fool that no one takes seriously. 

1 hour ago, Zontar said:

Doesnt answer the question. Where is outrage then. If it isnt there its selective and therefore meaningless if you want to stake out the moral highground.

Exactly, Obama would have already received the Nobel Peace Prize if he had pulled this off. 

Hard to believe people can be so invested in their own politics that it even Trumps common sense. 

I spoke too soon...

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/2150470/nobel-peace-prize-donald-trump-and-kim-jong-un-maybe-its-still

 

 

Noble public servants Jared and Ivanka when their not busy at the White House doing who know's what made 82 m. last year, outside of the White house

Edited June 12, 20187 yr by bustamente

Pulled what off?

3 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

And as soon as Kim doesnt comply, Trump will say   1) he knew it from the moment he met him and was just playing him and     2) we wouldnt be in this mess if OBAMA and     3) What about Hilary.

...in other words....that ole 4D Chess..

10 minutes ago, do or die said:

...in other words....that ole 4D Chess..

Deny

Distort

Denigrate

Deflect

 

2 hours ago, bustamente said:

Noble public servants Jared and Ivanka when their not busy at the White House doing who know's what made 82 m. last year, outside of the White house

They and her siblings treat the White House like their own little playhouse. Its exhausting to watch. 

no consultation with military needed .

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President Donald Trump's announcement Tuesday that he had agreed to cancel war games in Korea reportedly came as a shock to South Korea and U.S. military leaders. 

U.S. Forces in Korea "has received no updated guidance on execution or cessation of training exercises," said USFK spokeswoman Lieutenant Colonel Jennifer Lovett, Reuters reported.

Lovett said, as of now, the U.S. military plans to "continue with our current military posture until we receive updated guidance" from the Department of Defense or Indo-Pacific Command. This includes the Ulchi Freedom Guardian joint military exercises scheduled for the fall. 

 

 

World's most powerful military, top level people who have trained for their entire careers to operate it.

Trump, who ducked military draft, doesn't need any of them.

USA being run by an impulsive person who makes decisions entirely on spur of the moment feelings, and thoughts about what will benefit him.

This guy isn't going to jail, he's going for mandatory six months rest and recuperation at "Pink Mountain".

 

 

Sums up the morally selective hypocritical far right 

 

12 hours ago, HardCoreBlue said:

They and her siblings treat the White House like their own little playhouse. Its exhausting to watch. 

Remember all the talk of how much they were sacrificing by joining public service and not even taking a salary?

 

Trump wouldn't want anyone smarter than him, around him.

We know what that means.

Michael better stay out of the rain, and avoid people with furled umbrellas.

and.... out of courtesy, and just to save people the trouble:

Trump didn't know he had sex with Stormy Daniels! 

anyway..... Obama  _________________________________, and ____________________, and ________________________________!!!

and...... Marxist- Leftwinger,!

If you want a real laugh, go have a look at the movie trailer the Whitehouse released, promoting mother loving Kim Jun Un. It is quite comical.

In Trump world, all North Koreans love Kim.

Bizzarro world.

Edited June 13, 20187 yr by Mark F