White Out

It's already shifting. Look at the last poll; 90% said no. We're close to 50-50 now. You don't see value in seeing this movement in the base?

Why is it an agenda? Do you really think I have any sway in getting someone fired? Please. If you think that trying to gain the morale high ground is achieved with your boorish behavior, and that said morale high ground will some how elevate your flimsy opinions of MOS you're mistaken. On both accounts.

am I supposed to feel bad that I'm ahead of the curve when it comes to this stuff? MOS being fired has been talked about in the media more and more. Soon it will become all but inevitable unless this team/coach flips a switch and figures it out. But ya, lets get all amped up and yell profanity at each other? Cmon. How about civil discourse. I'm really trying here.

Losing hurts and drills away at peoples confidence. Look at how badly peoples confidence in MOS has been shaken by a dull loss to Calgary. Not a blow out, just a couple scores. Mike has given up on MOS, and there's media speculation ramping up. It's easy to talk about it being early in the year but it's not early in MOS's regime. 1-5 with a crushing loss to the Eskimos is a very hard spot to be in if your Michael O'Shea... just try and picture these boards and how people will feel if the Eskimo's put the boots to us 35-10 or more. It would be a blood bath.

Same poll and idea as last time. I'll state again this poll is simply about MOS's job in the near term. This isn't supposed to be a 10 page debate on firing MOS in the off season, or, if we should fire him. This is just me gauging where the fan base is at and if people think he will be fired if get blown out against Edmonton. Not a loss like Calgary yesterday, but a real good rodgering that we often get at Commonwealth Stadium. Please be respectful in the thread, this isn't meant to be a divisive post to cause arguments. If you can't keep your comments and replies respectful then maybe considering Pm'ing me your anger instead lol.

Nothing will happen because the loss wasn't a huge one. Not enough visceral emotion. Now, on the other hand, if you go to Edmonton and get absolutely rodgered by the Eskmos? Maybe.

What makes you think that's going to happen if it hasn't happened already? For all we know, MOS is being told that he has to start the players he's starting over and over and over again because Walters brought them in. Speculation and not worth it imo.

Does using phrases like witch hunt make you feel superior? I want heads to roll and your saying that like it's a negative? This regime isn't failing, it has failed. Yes, heads should roll. Jesus Christ. Firing MOS, as others have pointed out, has huge upsides. We'd be able to experiment with other players and see what we have through out our roster. As is, MOS has zero accountability built in to this team by playing the same terrible starters game in and game out. Hall and Lapo might be losers in your eyes, but, that would make MOS what? An ultra loser? Also no one is suggesting only making changes to coach or qb. Both should go but so should others. But that's what people are suggesting, are they? Nope, it's easier for you to sit there clacking away at your keyboard building strawmans to tear down. I bet you have a smug little grin on your face when you argue against peoples ideas that no one has had or expressed here.

I think your tone deafness with regards to my posts is so bad it has to be purposeful. Canning a GM takes years to build a proper case. Cutting a 400k anchor off your roster and moving on from a bad player takes a day. Just the same that I was years ahead of the anti Pavelec movement I'm having the same arguments with people over Willy. I focus on Willy because at the moment he's over paid, under performing, and the face of this team. Would I send all 3 guys out of Winnipeg this morning if I could? Your god damn right I would. But discussing a GM mid season is pointless.

Oh, that's weak. I'd sooner turn off the CFL and never watch football again rather than put on another teams jersey.

Because Walters isn't a good GM. That's why. Do you see me defending this guy? He's clearly incompetent. He hired MOS, a terrible mistake. He didn't rectify that mistake by looking to get anyone else in the off season, when it's apparent to anyone with any foresight that MOS isn't the guy. He didn't fill the roster with enough talent, and has failed to do so within his time as GM. But how bad is our team really? Who knows. I think we have such bad coaching from the head guy down to coordinators that they could make the BC Lions or Redblacks 1-3. That debate could be had for days and days. What we do know is that there's a real stench from this club, from our offense to our defense. But there seems to be a group on here who want to deflect blame away from players they like or perceive as being better than they actually are and re-assign that blame to anyone else. "Willy doesnt' stinks its' the GM's fault for not giving him the right talent around him. Or, "Willy doesn't stink but I blame the O line because they're a train wreck". And so on and so on. No, Willy does stink. Does the offensive line force him to have the worst long ball in the CFL? Lock in on his primary target and stare him down? Does the O line force Willy to hang on the ball too long? No. Is our O line great? Probably not even average. Is our GM good? No he clearly doesn't get the job done. But that doesn't give a free pass to our 400,000 dollar quarterback who's getting boo'd off the field game in and game out.

Then why are we paying someone 400k a year? To plunge to the lowest common denominator on our offense? Don't you go out and get a star QB with that money to raise your team up and have people play up to his level?

People are on the QB because he isn't good enough and is being paid 400k a year to be bad. But I think you probably know that already, don't you? Your point about other facets of the offense not being good either aren't wrong. But those positions are easily replaced and make a fraction of the salary. You know, common sense stuff.

I mean, it doesn't take a CFL insider to figure this out. 1-5 going into his 3rd year stinks. Period. But I think the real test will be Hamilton. I don't think anyone gives us a huge chance against the Eskimos in Edmonton, that place is a real grindhouse for us. You lose to Hamilton too, though, and 1-6 means you should lose your job.

so why are you here? or even replying to this thread?

I'm sure someone will come in and foolishly attempt to blame the offensive line on that, and, not Willy's mediocre play. It's not that I think the line is doing good, or even ok. It seems that there's an almost cult like desire to see Willy be something he's not.

i think the worst thing they can do is to re-sign them both to long extensions

Does anyone get inspired with confidence, at all, listening to MOS speak? He sounds like a high school football coach who's been asked to come in and coach the Dallas Cowboys, and at half time its 40-0 against and he can't possibly understand why.

ya man. a typo. relax. jesus. distracted with family over.

somewhat unreal how lethargic this offense continues to be. get a touchdown here tho and you're only in a 10 point ball game going into the half

I don't have a "schtick" and I'm certainly not trolling. It's a legitimate question. But it's not unsurprising that some folks are more interested in slinging mud than having a rational discussion over O'Shea. O'Shea has such a terrible resume that, really, the only defence of him at this point is to plug ones ears and shout down anyone with an opposing view. "MOS's record is x number of games below .500" response: TROLL!! "MOS only had 3 seasons coaching experience prior to being hired, and that was as an ST coordinator" response: ugh, running people out of town i see!! "will another embarrassing home blow out put the coaches job in jeopardy?" response: oh isnt this just SO typical you!! Obviously paraphrasing. It seems that our fan base has become sharply divided into 2 camps, and people can't seem to meet in the middle to have a rational chat about it. I understand that comes off as hypocritical because during game days I can fly off the handle in chat (I own that and it's my bad) but on these threads I try and be as subjective as I can, especially lately with emotions running high.

This thread has morphed into something I didn't quite want, another fire MOS thread. Was a simple question. But I am genuinely surprised to see people taking the position you can't or shouldn't fire MOS no matter what before the season ends. 1-6 should invite the conversation about his firing. 1-8 should, in a reasonable world, mean he gets fired. I can't see a justification for him being kept around in a 2 or 3 and 10 start either. Obviously we aren't there yet and thats all premature but if you make a blanket statement like "MOS isn't getting fired this year" or "shouldn't" then your kind of exposing yourself to that hypothetical.

So you think mos is safe if our record is 1-6?

Simple question. Would make us 1-4, and, the fact that it would be a home game would add some fuel to a fire. This isn't meant to be a debate on SHOULD he be fired, simply the question would it get him fired. To give some context to the question, let's say the score was... 44-10 Calgary. Just as a random score.

I'm not sold on Chris Jones as management. Is he a good coach? Ya. Can he build a team? Who knows. Totally different skillsets.