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1 hour ago, 17to85 said:
Whoopdeefreakingdoo. Collaros was great in the west final... but that means jack **** when he has been terrible for 3 straight Grey cup games and costs an assload of money.
Sums up my original point exactly. He's getting $600k elite hard money (including $100k bonus Jan 15) but the club is no longer getting elite play from him. Bombers are hamstrung - paying more for a diminishing asset. I don't blame Collaros for taking the dough - it could be his last year so, y'know, take the money. But Walters should've seen this coming and done more to mitigate shambolic O line pass pro. With the OC changes, I could see ZC actually playing less this season and more emphasis on run and run-option. Backfield with Oliveira, Streveler, Peyton Logan and Demski with some creativity and misdirection gonna be interesting.
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2 hours ago, Atomic said:
Is Kyle sitting on his wallet or what?
Fringe Canadians and guys on their way back from injury - seems like that's all we can sign.
Is there any big fish remaining? I'm not seeing it.
When you look at ZC stats from last season he's very comparable to Dru Brown and Jake Maier (not very good) but Zach makes $600k/per. Even Rourke had his fat deal in BC renegotiated to be more team friendly but you don't hear that happening in 'Peg. Walters is hamstrung by his overpay at QB. You can't overpay for mediocre QB play. I say this is one of the MBB forumites who wanted to keep Brown over Collaros as it was evident to some -even in '23- that ZC was in decline.
- Deiter Fan and TBURGESS
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Oops ... first posted this in the non-bombers thread but my question still stands: Who's in the QB room? So far we have ZC, Terry Wilson Jr., Jake Dolegala under contract. The club re-signed QB Darren Grainger in October only to see him suddenly "retire" in January. What's the deal with Strevy - will he be back? Who's left in the pool of FA QBs that we should grab - or do we need another young developmental guy along the lines of Grainger?
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I like that new OC Jason Hogan is Canadian. Means he knows how to use a field of play that is 65 yards wide. Jarious Jackson is hopefully going to help young Terry Wilson. And JJ might even help Collaros who - let's face it - has struggled, esp last year with the worst TD to INT percentage and worst QB rating in the league. Final year of ZC's 3 year deal - don't suppose there's much incentive for him to re-negotiate for the good of the club.
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Surely, at some point, we will sign some serious competition for Sheahan at punter. I know there's more to it than simple distance and hang time but it seemed like we always struggled to gain field position last year and our punter had the worst average punting distance in the CFL, by a considerable margin. The best punter - Jake Julien, had a an average of almost 10 yards better per punt than our guy.
- rebusrankin, CodyT and Stickem
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3 minutes ago, Booch said:
Maybe nobody is overly keen taking it on due to...this ...or that....
7 minutes ago, wbbfan said:That’s a good point. Zach and this offence offers a lot of assets, but not a lot of flexibility. You’ve gotta run heavy in an inside zone scheme, and you have to cater deep ball stuff for zach. And you better succeed instantly.
If that was the case with Miller and Jackson, I’d get a pass game co to work with Marty and make him the oc.I still want to know why ZC was still in the Grey Cup game after suffering a game-changing injury to the finger on his throwing hand with 2:35 left in Q3 and Bombers down by just 7. Any experienced OC would've instantly gone with the backup QB and focused on feeding Brady - unless Bombers OC was overruled.
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52 minutes ago, wbbfan said:
Best modern kr in the cfl. Tremendous move for you guys, sad he isn’t coming home but not surprised. Wonder what his pay day was like.
He is the best. Disappointed but not surprised he re-signed with Argos. I remember Janarion single-handedly won a couple of close games for Winnipeg while he was here. A sacrilege that the Bombers let a game-changer like him get away.
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3 hours ago, bigg jay said:
Fatboi prob could've returned this for a century - holes you could drive a truck through: https://www.espn.in/video/clip?id=27992094
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Anyone else wonder why it's taking so long to hire a new OC? Maybe we will hear something this week. Rumours?
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Just noticed:
Jake Dolegala
Height:
6 ft 7 in (2.01 m)
Weight:
242 lb (110 kg)
Willie Jefferson
Height
6 ft 7 in (2.01 cm)
Weight
: 245 lb (111 kg)
Bookends!
- rebusrankin, Fatty Liver, bigg jay and 3 others
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45 minutes ago, Goalie said:
Signing Streveler prob costs you an every down player. Maybe ford or holm or a guy like that.
If you watched Kyle Walters press conference today you can see Bombers expect Ford to get big offers from other clubs and likelihood of keeping him here seems very uncertain. Would love to see both the Ford brothers in Winnipeg in 2025 but chances are a scenario like that will materialize in a place like Hamilton.
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52 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:
Everyone one on the team wears horns, different sizes depending but still all wear. Win as a team, lose as a team.
Ultimate team sport.
100%. But as you say - different sized horns. Collaros wasn't playing well in the big game, even prior to his injured hand. The cracks in his game started to show back in 2023. Fairly large horns there. MOS shouldn't have put his injured QB back in the game when he's been told the player can't grip the ball. More large horns. Brady the league's MOC and MOP not fed the ball. Horns for both MOS and for play-caller Buck on that one - and also (again) for Collaros who decided to throw on RPOs, despite knowing his hand was a liability. I would also place a little thorny crown on Kyle Walters for signing Collaros to a 3-year deal that hamstrung the club on the salary cap which has led to other consequences.
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6 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:
In the end whether O'Shea continues with an injured Collaros, rookie Wilson or an unprepared Dolegala I think the result remains much the same, the Argos were playing well as a team and would have found multiple ways to win the game.
The issue was not having a well prepared capable backup ready to step in when Zach went down, which did happen in multiple games this past season. Strevy. may have made the game interesting if healthy but he's been out of action for over 2 months, so Buck had plenty of time to prepare a backup. Question is do they go into next season with the exact same approach, or do they learn and avoid making the same error in judgement again?
100%. Given Collaros's struggles in the 2023 season - even then many could see his deer in the headlights look even under slightest pressure, his lack of resolve to stay in the pocket for an extra beat, his off-target throws. This past season should've have been the time to get your back-up QB some meaningful live fire. Walters should be able to see how Streveler was not used optimally. Let's see if the OC and HC are held to account.
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7 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Honestly with how defensive the team has been about the whole collaros thing i read that as they know... but oshea will never give in to the media and give them a straight answer. Just not his MO.
But he gave a straight answer. Said he didn't even think twice about it.
Makes you wonder though. Player: "Coach, I broke my leg." MOS: "Do you think you can still play on the other one?" Player: "Maybe." MOS: "Great! In you go ..."
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20 minutes ago, Booch said:
bringing up errors and how we can/could be better....and what was a mistake isnt throwing anyone under bus....it's being accountable and showing you have seen the issues and what needs to be cleaned up....correct me if I am wrong....and also as a professional coach/athlete thats also what you signed up for....being scrutinized.....comes with the job....obviously he has little clue and no intent on changing much....Osh way of doing tbhings and the secrecy and veiled answrs isn't a confidence inspiring method...considering whats transpired
further confirms in many instances we have won games in spite of what he does....not strictly based on because of what he does....people cn keep denying it tho
I wasn't sure before but this clinches it. MOS does not understand the role of HC. He's happy, for the most part, to have the inmates run the asylum. But the coach needs to show leadership and make decisions. Even his QB reflected on the situation - would he help or hinder the team by returning to the game unable to throw? He asks the coach - almost hoping that he could be relieved of the responsiblity. Instead of stepping up and making the decision to sit the injured player - he kicks it back to Zach who reluctantly goes back in ... And then, not even reflecting on it .. wow.
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23 minutes ago, Booch said:
I was certain that they would have to review the film..lol....what a joke
is this actual quote?....or hypothetical funnies?
That is what MOS said at the 1 min 10 seconds mark https://www.bluebombers.com/2024/11/22/coach-oshea-november-22-2/
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32 minutes ago, bigg jay said:
The fact he's not even willing to give a bullshit answer, like we'll review all aspects is sad. Not unexpected but still sad.
MOS asked if, in hindsight, he would again keep Collaros in the GC game despite the fact he was told that his QB could not throw.
Q: "Would you still send him out there?"
A: "Yeah. Absolutely. When you asked me that, it's not even something I really thought about."
Wow. Little self-reflective ability. Does MOS really understand his role as HC? This is the point where stupidity appears to have overtaken stubbornness. The man requires active supervision.
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14 hours ago, Sard said:
I've seen a number of people comment about how letting Janarion Grant go was a huge mistake. It's easy to say that in hindsight now, but with the injuries he had suffered and basically being out for half of the season last year (and possibly the year before as well), the team made the decision that it was time to move on from him, just like they did with Jackson Jeffcoat. At the time that the decision was made, it made sense to go that way, so griping about it now is just sour grapes. The fact that they weren't able to find a decent replacement is a totally different issue.
Grant is the best kick returner in the CFL, bar none, and current Special Teams MOP. You have to remember how he injured his ankle in 2023. It was on a stupid play call by Buck Pierce where Grant was inserted into the offence to run a dive play up the gut into close-chaotic heavy traffic. You don't do that with your key return man. Chances of getting him nicked are high. Look at the way Grant was used by Dinwiddie in Argos offence - sparingly, but more often and creatively than Buck did - and certainly never on a play designed more for a Brady Oliveira body-type than Janarion.
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Is there any guaranteed money for Zach Collaros in the 3rd and final year (2025) of his contract? There was no reason for Kyle Walters to give him 3 years back in 2022. Yes, he led the team to 2 consecutive Grey Cups but he was just a hot/cold injury-prone CFL journeyman before landing in Peg. That fat contract ignored the totality of the player's history. Zach should have been offered 1+ deal in 2022 so the club had flexibility to keep players like Janarion Grant on our roster. You could easily argue that Kyle screwed the pooch. If Zach comes back it should be on a re-negotiated Bo Levi Mitchell style contract and no guarantees.
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For the 3rd uni, I'd like to see the 1961 helmet with just numbers and the "Lightning Bolt" https://www.helmethistory.com/winnipeg.html
- JohnnyAbonny and Booch
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Not that it's worth anything at this stage but I noticed Lucky wore yellow-coloured gloves for the first half then changed them for blue gloves to start the second. First kick return he fields with the blue gloves, he fights the ball and fumbles. Later, for the rest of the game, goes back to the yellow gloves. I imagine next year it will just be gardening gloves.
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19 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:
MOS stays and they likely can Buck.
If I was Walters: Biggie, Neufeld, Kolo, Alexander, K. Wilson, Lucky, Augustine, Jake are all gone.
I am OK with the coaching, including Buck. I think today's game plan just showed lack of confidence the O-line could compete with Argos front four and backer box. So they decided to not give the ball to Brady thinking Argos would expect that. One coaching irritation is that MOS is stubborn to a fault - very loyal to his players leading to bonehead roster decisions. Now 10 years in, I would also question his in-game management. You'd think after so long at the helm he wouldn't make so many mistakes. As for keeping the has-been players - It is no coincidence that MOS himself chose to continue to play as an older veteran player and did not retire after he was spent - hung on til the bitter end when he had to be cut. As for Walters - don't forget it was Walters who signed ZC to a 3-year $550/per deal when he really didn't have to. Could have easily gone 1+. It was also Walters who let the leagues best kick returner - who returned 5 TDs this year alone - get away. To his credit, Walters did re-sign Brady and Dalton Schoen when no one thought he could. It just meant there was nothing left for Janarion Grant and it could have been predicted that that would not turn out well - just as even the fans could see that ZC was done a year or more ago. But Bombers had to keep him because of that contract.
2024/2025 CFL (non-Bomber) Off-Season Thread
in Blue Bomber Discussion
Posted · Edited by Doublezero
Three of us heading to Langford for today's tilt between Lions & Stamps and to say hi to Buck. Wearing our Bombers gear, naturally
https://www.timescolonist.com/sports/lions-ready-to-roar-in-cfl-preseason-game-at-starlight-stadium-10677687