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White Cop Shoots Black Man, Charged With Murder
17to85 replied to The Unknown Poster's topic in General Discussion
Absolute total bullcrap. Need to call that what it is. When police shoot and kill someone it's always news. It might just be local news at first, but if there is any indication that things are not as they seem, the story gets spread pretty quick. In these days of cell phone cams, blogs, facebook and the like, stuff like that, you don't keep it quiet for long. So again, the reason that unarmed white people don't get shot by white police is not the fact that its unreported, it's that it doesn't happen anywhere to the same degree that it does to black folks. But yea, white folks are dropping like flies and the news people can't be bothered to mention it. Yea, that's the ticket... i didnt qualify my statement in "degrees". if you think a white cop shooting a white suspect in Winnipeg would make CNN, you're completely out to lunch. You're twisting the discussion and trying to get people to agree with you. No one is saying there isnt racism. But every time a black guy is shot by a white cop, it isnt racism. Ever walk around in some areas of Winnipeg at certain times, as a white guy and faced racist remarks? It happens. The original point being, this is a bad shooting by a cop. Thus far, nothing indicates race played a role. We'll see if that changes as more info comes out. Not going to go round and round on this because you don't seem to want to hear it so let me just say that if a white policeman shot and killed an unarmed white guy in Winnipeg in a similar manner to what happened in South Carolina, it would most certainly get play across Canada, which is the country where it took place. We call that national coverage. Would it get play on CNN, I suspect it would. But seeing that white cops shooting unarmed white suspects doesn't happen all that often, we might have to wait a long time to find out. If this happened with a white cop shooting an unarmed white guy in south carolina you can guarantee that it wouldn't be getting the attention that this is for one simple reason.... it's a hot button topic right now. Too many people are too quick to pile on the racism argument. The much simpler explanation is that some cops are jackass dickheads who power trip and bully people because they can and sometimes that winds up with people getting shot. -
White Cop Shoots Black Man, Charged With Murder
17to85 replied to The Unknown Poster's topic in General Discussion
I think the "police aren't targeting black people because they're black, but only because they're poor" argument is pretty much horseshit. The numbers don't add up. Consider how black people fare in non-fatal encounters with law enforcement: according to the 2009 U.S. Census (http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0695.pdf) there were about 3.7 million black families under $30,000 income in the USA, and 13.1 million white families under $30,000 income. If the imprisonment numbers tracked with income, then you'd expect to see roughly 3-4x as many white people in jail as black people, because there are many many more poor white people than poor black people. However, according to the Prison Policy Initiative (http://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/rates.html) blacks and whites each account for about 40% of the prison population. Blacks are many times more likely to be imprisoned than whites are. If the American justice system is indeed blind to race, then why are black people being imprisoned at such an elevated rate? Well what are the geographic distributions of these poor people? Are poor white people located in smaller rural settings and poor black people in urban environments? That setting can make a huge difference on whether someone is involved in crime. I think it's the easy way out to just play the race card. Same thing happens up here when people play the race card with regards to the incarceration levels for natives vs. non-natives. It's not a race thing other than one race is over represented in the absolute **** economic conditions. And I think it's naive (at best) to suggest that race is not an issue. Prejudice and racism exists. One can try and find other explanations that might be a bit more palatable than admitting the obvious, but that doesn't change reality, I think it is far more nuanced than simplifying things to be about just race. -
White Cop Shoots Black Man, Charged With Murder
17to85 replied to The Unknown Poster's topic in General Discussion
I think the "police aren't targeting black people because they're black, but only because they're poor" argument is pretty much horseshit. The numbers don't add up. Consider how black people fare in non-fatal encounters with law enforcement: according to the 2009 U.S. Census (http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0695.pdf) there were about 3.7 million black families under $30,000 income in the USA, and 13.1 million white families under $30,000 income. If the imprisonment numbers tracked with income, then you'd expect to see roughly 3-4x as many white people in jail as black people, because there are many many more poor white people than poor black people. However, according to the Prison Policy Initiative (http://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/rates.html) blacks and whites each account for about 40% of the prison population. Blacks are many times more likely to be imprisoned than whites are. If the American justice system is indeed blind to race, then why are black people being imprisoned at such an elevated rate? Well what are the geographic distributions of these poor people? Are poor white people located in smaller rural settings and poor black people in urban environments? That setting can make a huge difference on whether someone is involved in crime. I think it's the easy way out to just play the race card. Same thing happens up here when people play the race card with regards to the incarceration levels for natives vs. non-natives. It's not a race thing other than one race is over represented in the absolute **** economic conditions. -
White Cop Shoots Black Man, Charged With Murder
17to85 replied to The Unknown Poster's topic in General Discussion
That doesn't mean it's racism though... It's much more likely that it's classism much more than racism. Just so happens that certain demographics are over represented in the poorest class and poverty and questionable behaviours that lead to run ins with police go hand in hand. I don't believe there is as much racism as people think. It's not like it's the middle class black people getting shot by police right? -
So you agree that playing in the CFL should be considered a part-time job. well maybe they should just call it seasonal work. Quite frankly the rules exist as they are so I ain't gonna cry cause Burris can't get his citizenship yet.
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if he's not complaining then why the article about his troubles getting citizenship? It's a classic play for preferential treatment because of his celebrity status.
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Edmontons D is bad when they're all healthy, but with Petry traded, Fayne, Ference and Nikitin hurt they're all babies. Klefbom and Schultz are the top pairing for gods sake. That's one guy just getting his feet wet in the NHL and another who in an ideal world should be getting big time sheltered minutes as purely a PP guy and low ES minutes guy. They're dressing both Davidson and Musil who both should be no where near the NHL at this point. They might be NHL players some day but right now they're still AHL defenders. Marincin is just getting his NHL feet wet too. It's just too much youth and inexperience. Ference and Nikitin might suck but at least they're veterans who can get through a game most nights. As to your first point, did anyone say that Nelson was a great coach? All anyone has ever said was Eakins was ******* terrible and the results were much better before and after him. That's the point here. Stop pretending the Eakins time is the actuality of how the team should be performing. It's not. Kreuger had them in 8th in the lock out year before they stumbled late, Nelson had them playing .500 hockey before they lost all their experienced D. That's about what the team should look like if healthy. Not great but not an embarassment either. Kind of where the Jets were before this season.
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The Oilers suck right now, but that's because they traded Petry when they couldn't afford to lose him then all their other experienced defencemen got hurt. Seriously the most experienced D they are dressing lately is Justin Schultz. When healthy it's a better team than people think, but because Eakins ****** them around for so long people got this idea that they were worse than they actually are. Prior to trading Petry Nelson basically had them playing .500 hockey and with a chance to win most games. That is what should be expected of the Oilers at this point, though they do need to get a replacement for Petry in the offseason rather badly. Forget what Eakins did to that team, he was brutal. Look at how they were under Nelson before their D got decimated and how they were under Kreuger. That's more a reflection of the teams actual abilities. Eakins was THAT bad. He only got a year and a half because MacT loved him and couldn't accept that he made a mistake. Any other team and Eakins would have been fired a month in.
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A country does a disservice to itself and all of its citizens to not apply the rules for immigrating. You don't meet the standards set forth then you should not be allowed to be a citizen. Those of us who were born here are damned lucky and privileged. We shouldn't make it easy for just anyone to get in. I think we'd be doing ourselves a disservice if we make the rules such that a person like Henry, who lives, works, and does a tremendous amount of community service here in our country, cannot become a citizen, despite multiple attempts. The rules are not some secret though, if the guy wanted to become a citizen he should have been working on it. It's the arrogance of people like that to think that it's like taking out a library card. They want it so they should be able to get it regardless. No. The rules are there for a reason, don't make exceptions hold everyone to the same standard. He wants to be a citizen he can start by getting his permanent residency and go from there.
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A country does a disservice to itself and all of its citizens to not apply the rules for immigrating. You don't meet the standards set forth then you should not be allowed to be a citizen. Those of us who were born here are damned lucky and privileged. We shouldn't make it easy for just anyone to get in.
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Peach is a guy who is good enough to play but never going to be a star and if you think he's your star player your DL sucks. If he was the guy coming off the bench then great, but as the best DE on the team, no thanks.
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But we were fully in agreement that it is purely wishful thinking.
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Darren Cameron's blog on the CFL draft
17to85 replied to gbill2004's topic in Blue Bomber Discussion
If no one tells them they are wrong how will they ever learn? -
Darren Cameron's blog on the CFL draft
17to85 replied to gbill2004's topic in Blue Bomber Discussion
Given a choice between no info and useless fluff I choose no info every time. -
Darren Cameron's blog on the CFL draft
17to85 replied to gbill2004's topic in Blue Bomber Discussion
It's not about expecting anything, it's about mocking an obvious and very lame PR job. It's quite frankly a little bit insulting that they think they need to do this kind of stuff. I'd expect that from the Riders, but no the Bombers. Blatant self promotion dressed up as something insightful is just annoying. -
Darren Cameron's blog on the CFL draft
17to85 replied to gbill2004's topic in Blue Bomber Discussion
once again this blog can be summed up like this: "I walked into Kyle Walters office and man oh man is this guy just the best. He is bar none the best GM in the league and he is ensuring the long term success of this team for years and years to come" I understand they gotta put the positive spin on things but this is just so over the top it's ridiculous. I honestly expected a line in there about how Walters and O'Shea helped a few old ladies cross the street before getting to work. -
Should we shrink the field and add an extra down as well? Maybe play with one less player per side? **** off with the NFL bullshit.
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The CFL needs to learn that sometimes you just have to leave well enough alone. They never learn their lesson it seems. Too many rules that come up in the moment because something happened the year before and they have no eye for the long game.
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Kamau Peterson? No not Kamau Peterson...he was Canadian and I believe played a lot of football before he got to the CFL. This guy was a track star of some kind and we brought him in to see if he could catch the football too. Didn't make it out of TC.
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Can we please take a vacation from Rider fans on vacation
17to85 replied to B-F-F-C's topic in Blue Bomber Discussion
You know what, I wear Bomber t-shirts and a cap a ton, even on vacation. I won't judge fans for wearing team gear. That's not to say we can't still mock Rider fans for being the bandwagon jumpers they are though. -
Willy and his agent would be silly not to do everything they can to cash in. Walters and the Bombers would be silly to just give in. This is just plain and simple negotiating, it'll get worked out. He wants to stay and the Bombers want to keep him.
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Hey KBF. Did ya hear it snowed in Winnipeg?
17to85 replied to tacklewasher's topic in General Discussion
Alberta?? We didn't really have winter here in Calgary. Snow's been gone for a month. And even when we get winter there's a chinook rolls around every few weeks and gives us a break from the cold. -
I hate to sound like a broken record, but if we followed this strategy in the year Muamba was taken #1 we would have wound up with Mitchell and that wouldn't have done a god damned thing to help the OL. At least we got a couple years of Muamba being a ratio breaker. Take the BPA always. The only time position comes into play is if there are two players who are close.
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At least, that's how he presents his character, anyhow, and it's hilarious. Religulous is one of the best things I've ever seen. but you shouldn't judge the one good thing he's done and hold it up as the standard for him. Rest of the time he's just a whiny liberal ******. He's an anti-vaccine type isn't he?