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I don't buy that. I think O'Shea wanted consistency and continuity, they felt they could spend money on the OL and improve things and it didn't work out. We have a pretty clear impression that O'Shea isn't happy with the way the offense has performed and he's basicalyl all but called out the OC. He'll be replaced in the offseason I have no doubts about it.

Cry? I don't think so. Why do you make things out to be something they're not? We all know that you like Liram. You've defended him more than anyone here & don't like it when he's criticized. But we also know that you like to assume the worst and cry about it regardless of the actual facts

Ottawa has been healthy all year, don't discount that in the assessment of their roster.

no one could have predicted this!

Bucknor plays way too far off the receiver. I don't know if it's because he lacks speed or what but throwing under him is easy as pie. Somehow he still manages to get burned deep too so I really don't think much of him. Not sure why he is even on this team. Surely Walters could have done better by now. Every corner in that position plays off the receiver. Better to give up a short pass underneath than get burned for a big play over the top and if the qb floats the ball out to the wide receiver then the DB has a chance to break on the ball. Playing off is simply playing the way he's asked to because there is help under neath from half backs and linebackers, there's no help over the top. Wait......you know you're defending Bucknor...........right? If you want to bash a guy use real reasons. poor logic is what I am arguing.

Walters figures out what fans knew a month ago, Walker is useless as a runningback and a waste of time to sign.

Chevon Walker at this point is a waste of a down every time they go to him.

Bucknor plays way too far off the receiver. I don't know if it's because he lacks speed or what but throwing under him is easy as pie. Somehow he still manages to get burned deep too so I really don't think much of him. Not sure why he is even on this team. Surely Walters could have done better by now. Every corner in that position plays off the receiver. Better to give up a short pass underneath than get burned for a big play over the top and if the qb floats the ball out to the wide receiver then the DB has a chance to break on the ball. Playing off is simply playing the way he's asked to because there is help under neath from half backs and linebackers, there's no help over the top.

because kickers are notoriously mental

How can you not watch the games when they're on? The offseason drags on and on and on any Bomber game is worth watching.

Americans subsidize the crap out of their dairy industry though so what's the actual cost when you factor in the taxes being paid.

Well it's all for not cause no matter what happens in the east this year the Grey Cup game is out doors in Winnipeg in November. Burris ain't gonna win when the weather gets cold, remember the ass raping he got when he played the Grey Cup game in Regina just a couple seasons ago? Guy is the ultimate fair weather qb. Expect his game to fall off when the weather gets cooler because it always happens.

Half Pints is the best of the bunch if you ask me.

Here is something that a lot of fans tend to forget.... The huge free agent deals are often the ones that teams regret the most. You get a great player for sure, but he eats up a large chunk of your cap space and if he doesn't live up to the very high expectations it becomes a lightning rod for criticism. Generally the best free agent deals are the under the radar ones where you snag a guy on the verge of breaking out and get good value for money. Let's not worry about Muamba too much, we're getting good play from our linebackers in my opinion for a lot cheaper than if Muamba was here. Would have loved to have him here, but he's in Montreal and so be it.

Yeah but it's going to be a tough sell unless they bring in Hufnagel to run everything anyway. You know what sells? Results. Not names. These guys put a roster on the field that can win fans will be back. Better performance by Kyle Walters and a new, quality offensive coordinator should work wonders for this team. I maintain that if we go 5-13 or 4-14 changes will have to be made at the coaching level. I just can't see MOS surviving. We'll be hard pressed to equal our record of last year. We were woefully unprepared for the Willy injury at the qb position. That's on both Walters & MOS for thinking our backups were CFL calibre players when they were not. . Why be so rigid? Coaching isn't the biggest issue so why fire the coach? New OC and better talent should provide better results and we can give O'Shea the proper tools to succeed. Selling credibility & season tickets will be the biggest issues for the Bombers this off season, I'd think. But that's going to be difficult anyway so why get caught up in changes for the sake of selling tickets?

Yeah but it's going to be a tough sell unless they bring in Hufnagel to run everything anyway. You know what sells? Results. Not names. These guys put a roster on the field that can win fans will be back. Better performance by Kyle Walters and a new, quality offensive coordinator should work wonders for this team. I maintain that if we go 5-13 or 4-14 changes will have to be made at the coaching level. I just can't see MOS surviving. We'll be hard pressed to equal our record of last year. We were woefully unprepared for the Willy injury at the qb position. That's on both Walters & MOS for thinking our backups were CFL calibre players when they were not. . Why be so rigid? Coaching isn't the biggest issue so why fire the coach? New OC and better talent should provide better results and we can give O'Shea the proper tools to succeed.

Yeah but it's going to be a tough sell unless they bring in Hufnagel to run everything anyway. You know what sells? Results. Not names. These guys put a roster on the field that can win fans will be back. Better performance by Kyle Walters and a new, quality offensive coordinator should work wonders for this team.

Your right so y do we want to keep MOS again? Because he's not been given the tools to be successful. Kyle Walters hasn't brought in enough talent. His draft picks haven't gone above and beyond, the only guys who seemed to work out are free agent signings or trading for known CFL guys. When left to find guys on his own he's failed thus far. You can't expect a coach to work miracles. Give him a roster that can win when injuries hit and then see what he's like as a coach. Excuses, sorry. Why should MOS get a pass when other HC don't? Three years as a STC in Toronto & that was it. With that logic, we should have kept Tim Burke. maybe he would have become a good coach & he never had talent either. Funny, 2 years ago no one was using the lack of talent angle or Burke needs time to become a great head coach so we better keep him around. I think Tim Burke had way more talent to work with to be honest. Except maybe at qb. But the Burke Bombers were the most painful team to watch I have ever seen. I found myself not caring about 5 minutes into a game, at least I can watch the Bombers this year even if they're getting it handed to them. Walters has done some good things for this team, but considering he's been here for 2 years he hasn't done nearly enough yet.

Takes two sides to sign a contract, if he doesn't want to sign here then so be it. Life moves on and it's not like we're weak at linebacker. Would have been nice to add a star NI, but oh well.

Your right so y do we want to keep MOS again? Because he's not been given the tools to be successful. Kyle Walters hasn't brought in enough talent. His draft picks haven't gone above and beyond, the only guys who seemed to work out are free agent signings or trading for known CFL guys. When left to find guys on his own he's failed thus far. You can't expect a coach to work miracles. Give him a roster that can win when injuries hit and then see what he's like as a coach.

While that may be true, would they view propping of Harper to be more damaging to future election success that working with the other party. Well you can always spin giving the Conservatives support as "Just doing what the voters showed they want" GIven that both the NDP and Liberals want to position themselves as the alternative to voting Conservative working together that closely would do more damage. **** it up and people will turn around and put the Conservatives right back into power, do it well and the senior partner would get all the credit for it and the third party gets forgotten. I see supporting the Conservatives provided they get concessions as the best bet.

Defeating a government on a confidence motion (the first opportunity would be the throne speech) doesn't necessarily mean an election. It's up to the governor general to decide. He can either send it to an election or ask one of the parties to try and gain the confidence of the house. They wouldn't even need a formal coalition, just enough support to get things passed. As I said though, I don't see either the NDP or Liberals being willing to work with each other if they're the second fiddle. As much as they are "**** Harper" they are also power hungry.

Totally agree. I was never a fan of MOS as a player but you can tell by his time as a coach in TO that he can coach and knows the game very well. But in TO he had some very athletic players. Thanks to Walters, he has a lousy lineup with atrocious depth. So he's burning out. Same thing happened with LAPO here. Lame GM (Mack) kept feeding him garbage players and he's supposed to make chicken salad out of it. I absolutely guarantee -- if MOS was in Sask with their old, poorly built Taman team he would suck there too. But put him in Hammer or Calgary and he'd have a winning record. I actually disagree completely... not that our talent is perfect... but we have some good players, and as we've proven in 2 games against Calgary, good enough to compete with the league's best... I would challenge your last statement by saying what if we swapped coaching staffs with Calgary?... I think we would have 7 or 8 wins by now with that staff... Another example.... Pat Del Monaco is a disastrous O-line coach here.... yet he looks like a genius in Calgary even when they played a couple games missing 3 regular starters... that's not including the losses of Jones and Bryant... We do have some good players, but look what happened when our starting qb got hurt... had to go dumpster diving and bring in someone from another CFL team. Look at all the receivers we went through trying to find one who could play when we had injuries to Moore and Adams, look what happened when Cotton got hurt, had to go dumpster diving again and bring in Walker. When 100% healthy yes this team can compete with anyone, but injuries **** this team hard. The depth sucks. Period end of discussion.

I believe a lot of ABC voters believe that it won't mean a new election, but that the Liberals and NDP would form a coilition and run things instead. Technically it's possible, but any attempts in the past to do so have failed (in my limited recollection). However I believe many people are convinced it will happen. The problem is I don't see them forming a coalition because neither party wants to be the junior partner in such a situation. I am sure that when both Mulcair and Trudeau talk about toppling the Conservatives they envision themselves as Prime Minister with the other party propping them up. I just do not see that happening. If the Liberals were the 3rd place party there is no way they would humble themselves to prop up the NDP. That just makes them irrelevant because it means they've accepted that the NDP has usurped them. Similarly I don't see Mulcair propping up a Liberal party because it just pushes them back to the irrelevant 3rd option. Too many egos and too much arrogance on both sides to really work together. They're all bluster but should the Conservatives win a minority I can see them letting them govern provided they get some concessions.

Not surprising, the NDP has always catered to the hipster douchebag crowd.