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He wasn't though. That yesr was the start of his fall off. He was still living off his reputation at that point. Brown outperformed collaros that season.

Old and busted

So old qb not playing to the level he was... old OL which is crap compared to it's hey day and dl which is crap compared to its hey day.... so yes age is catching up to this team. Used to win by dominating the lines of scrimmage but now they get their asses kicked on the LOS game in game out.

Worst thing to happen was losing 2022 cup by 1 point with collaros being injured. They ran it back one too many times, which of course everyone was all in favour of, but with the benefit of hindsight...

2022 they were still a good team, they should have started more transition that offseason though. 2023 they were still a good team but some performance was sliding. Last season still mostly good (D in particular) but some more cracks showing. This season though age has fully caught up to them.

Doesn't matter what the majority think and nobody wants the team to be bad, quite the opposite, we want to continue kicking ass and taking names. But some people see the sink into mediocrity happening and saw it earlier.

that 2019 playoff defence was ******* dominant and Andrew Harris was mr. everything for the offense. because the early part of the season the secondary was leaky people don't always appreciate just how bloody good the D was in the post season.

hey if Hamilton is in the grey cup then winnipeg damned sure better be there too.

we never really went Nichols to Zach... Nichols was hurt and streveler took over from him for the better part of the back half of the season, but he also got the ankle injury. Collaros started 1 game in the regular season in 2019 and then in the playoffs split time with Streveler and both leaned on Andrew Harris anyway. The difference in 2019 were things like moving Alexander to safety, bringing in Taylor at halfback and Maston at SAM and there was another DB came in who I can't remember his name right now... those were the key moves in making 2019 a championship team. solidified the weakness of the defence and turned them into monsters.

The process only works when you have good enough players, which the team has had largely for the past several years. They don't have that anymore and time to change the process. Free ride is over Osh. Time to be a head coach again.

Kelly's been here for what? 3 years now? How much more developing does he need?

Thing is you can have mid-season turn around in the cfl pretty easily. The key is you actually have to make changes.

Tony Jones you can keep, just wish he wasn't starting at the expense of the other Jones. Hell maybe play both Jones at linebacker. Wilson hasn't done a lot consistently either and is an injury waiting to happen. Heck J.Jones and Ayers start and T. Jones backs up. Boom make it happen. T. Jones probably a better "backup DE" option compared to Ayers anyway.

#3 and #4 in receptions were roberts and sellers if I remember right.

Hell Zach wasn't amazing at any point in 2019 anyway, streveler played as much jn the playoffs as Zach did.

Also the year my username came about so yeah single season tds was definitely 2002. He broke the all time touchdown record later in his career.

Yeah and Rourke was on pace to break records a couple summers ago. Long season, paces like that seldom hold up, especially when the weather turns to ****.

Age is a *****. Collaros has been **** since 2023 with the odd exception. Thank God he got an extension before thr season even started

The sad reality is neither qb is getting any pocket to work with. Streveler runs, collaros gets sacked.

I did it last season...

2 of the biggest free agency signings were Mitchell and Jones... neither one can get a sniff on the roster and to me that speaks to a huge disconnect in how the team is being run.

I think streveler is fine as a passer, I think the problems are 2 fold really, and applicable for both qbs... receivers not making enough catches and more importantly, there's simply too much pressure on the qbs. They're either running away or getting cranked.

Osh has been relying on the team to fix it themselves for so now that now that they can't he doesn't know what to do. Here's a thought... best guys play regardless of tenure or seniority. You're burned badly all season You're benched and some one else gets a turn. Our offense coordinator needs to be answering some questions too because it looks to me that opposing teams have no problems figuring out what he's trying to do.

I gave oshea a lot of rope because he earned it, but last season and this season has just shown he's all out of ideas at this point.

First I've ever heard of it.