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I mean it's a pretty basic sentiment so I don't doubt it's been around forever.

All 3 were better than the **** we tossed out on the DL before this season full stop. The fact that they're still employed in the league is evidence to support that.

Lot of those guys got opportunity with other teams though... Some of those guys as well, case for example were puzzling keeps after training camp as well so your list ain't exactly saying everything you think it does. I saw Devin Adams make a play for the riders last week so good enough for the team that is the defending champs but not good enough here? Guys like Fox and Garbutt were better than some of the stuff we trotted out game in game out too. You don't need to be an all-star to be an improvement. Those guys seems to me had some injury issues themselves. You have this idea that it's boom or bust... Sometimes small moves make outsized impacts in team sports.

Was something O'Shea brought from Toronto is my understanding

So which guys specifically are you saying failed spectacularly then? I'm just grabbing names that actually got a chance because of injuries when they otherwise wouldn't have ever got it. Holm was straight up cut before being brought back... That's a guy who became an all-star that this coach decided wasn't good enough to keep around initially as a development guy. Point being you are implicitly trusting the judgement of this coaching staff when there are numerous examples of their judgement being flawed....

Has it really though? Injuries are how we wound up with Holm starting, injuries are how we wound up with Tony Jones starting. It's how we wound up with Pokey Wilson starting.... It's only ever injuries that allow guys to get a chance around here. Look this isn't some new issue, it's been ongoing and persistent with O'Shea his whole time. Poor roster building and usage. We trotted out Sam Hurl for how long just because... You really think that was because he was the best option? How many guys got on the active roster in the past who stood on the sidelines and took 0 snaps in any facet... Used to happen a ton before younger just threw everyone out at some point. If guys are not performing you don't leave them in forever. Even sitting them down for a half or a game can improve things. And if the depth goes in and fails then you know they're actually not worth keeping around and you should go get better depth. I mean osh says all the time guys are here because they think they're good enough and they're all starters... So why the hesitation to try something new?

Tony Jones.... But he only got the opportunity because of an injury otherwise they'd have stuck with a cooked Adam Big hill forever. But I guess because Bighill was ahead on the depth chart it means that he was just better right? Despite the very obvious improvement when he went in.... You see why you get push back from everyone when you make these pants on head ******** claims about the depth chart always being correct?

After last game we should be pretty ******* desperate

Yes we know, in your world it's only the players fault and if a guy isn't playing it's simply because he sucks. Which is stupid but let's play that what if game.... If guys aren't cutting it bench then and try next man up. If that person doesn't cut it tell the gm he needs to get someone else in who can do it. And so on and so on. Does our coach do that though? No poor performance is just allowed to happen cause a guy is a veteran or a favourite

I think it was Eli who opened a monster hole at the line to get Brady into the 2nd level.

" I thought that was the best decision for the team in order to get back into the game,” Condell told the media on Monday. “ Yeah Tommy, we know... That's the problem, you're an idiot about the run game by and large

Don't discount the kick in the ass factor. Like for example a vet like Moxey gets Sat down because he's useless doesn't that light a fire under his ass? Doesn't that light a fire under everyone else's ass because it might happen to them... Doesn't that light a fire under the backups ass knowing that maybe they will get a shot. This country club we run where once you're tenured you're untouchable is damaging. Vets used to run the room? Great when your vets are that type but since that type isn't here or if they are are so far past their prime then the coaches need to take some of that responsibility back.

Sit guys down for a quarter, game, forever... Anything other than just leaving it as is.

If this was all suddenly new we could just blame the players but there's been clear trends for at least 4 years now. That falls back to coaches and how they're running the team

But these issues have gone back several years now.... And there's never consequences.... See no one is absolving the players of the mistakes they make or the poor efforts but when you have seen things slipping for the same issues for years now you need to look at who's running the team and what's the issue there where the same problems are recurring.

Wheatfall was very hit or miss here. He is not a guy to get your panties in a twist about. You should be able to find a half dozen guys like that for training camp every year.

So after 8 weeks at what point is it the coaches fault for keeping the same underperforming lineup in there?

Which is such a puzzling take .. O'Shea has had some iffy decisions the whole time he's been here but he will always be a legend for that run .... But no coach lasts in one place forever and sometimes you need a change in message

I think you have this amazing ability to gloss over everything a coach can do to put players in positions to succeed and prepare them. I mean the defense gave the team a ton of chances with the ball late but they didn't take advantage of it for a lot of reasons including some coaching ones. Like for example Stanley Bryant has been embarrassing himself every game this seasons. Coaches needed to convince him to hang them or or even cut him in camp if he didn't get the message. Coaches should be building an offense around Brady not making him play receiver and then throw 40 times a game.

Start by using the pieces you have to build the best roster you possible can. Not convinced we do that in the slightest, but let's actually put the best team we can on the field and see where it's at. There's no universe where Cobb is one of the best Canadians on the team and needs to be a starter always and forever.

explain.... because I disagree on some levels of this. Yes there was a lack of execution by some players for sure however there's lots of things we CAN point to the coaches needing to do better as well, including putting players, and the team in a position to succeed. Here's one glaringly obvious example of a coaching decision we can criticize..... why the **** are we trying a 58 yard field goal at that point in the game? That wound up being 7 points for Calgary and a bunch of momentum when we actually have a punter that can pin a team deep and who knows from there.

I can't disagree with this enough.... They had a few good moments run blocking but they were not good on the whole. Sad thing is he was worse....

So he is supposed to just throw the ball away all night? Because when you don't get time in the pocket and your receivers aren't running routes to challenge the secondary where the **** is he supposed to go with the ball? In that situation you need to be able to run the ball and back then off but guess what! Tommy Condell thinks our bruising running back is a wide receiver

Remember when this team used to beat the snot out of everyone every game? What the **** happened? when did they become so passive and wussy? Who even plays with an edge anymore? I like Wilson as a receiver but man he's not the guy to be your main guy. White I got nothing against, but again he's the same type as Wilson. Neild is useless, Demski love him but he's getting old.... Condell was never the answer but he's still better than Hogan.... but he needs to call an offense for the team he has... OL yikes... poor stan going to totally tarnish his legacy he keeps at it this season. just awful. If he was anyone other than the best to ever play he'd have been cut a long time ago. Honestly Eli is better at centre than an american in my opinion. let's stop this ratio misuse and play Eli there and GET A RECEIVER THAT CAN MAKE A PLAY IN TRAFFIC ON THE FIELD.