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Jake is bad and totally cooked, Willie is totally cooked and bad... These guys need sat down ASAP because they're doing nothing to help at the moment. Bridges you're cut, what a pathetic display and it's not the first time. Kramdi... yeah that was something alright Bonds.. you're better than that, act like it. T.Jones... wrong Jones got cut. Oh look a tackle 9 yards down field. Wow, such impact. Time for a big shake up with the defensive roster cause what they're trotting out ain't working. Kolankowski... what would you say you DO here? Vanterpool I dunno but saw a few "OLE!" moments. Case.... stay on your feet you might be serviceable despite people wanting to hate. playcalling oh boy was that just bad... Too much complacency on this team and it shows. This has been 2 years in the making now. Cracks started to show badly summer 2023, continued last year and now it's to the point where it's a full on dam bursting situation. They'd best remove heads from asses and make some hard decisions before it gets beyond saving. No reason Mitchell, a guy you identified as a priority in the offseason doesn't get on the roster for one thing.

but he had a bunch of tackles!

STOP GOING TO THE ******* GAMES THEN! Why you put the curse on them?

See, you did make it a 90s night.

Then what is the point?

Best i can do is lots of Kornelson Thomas and schmekel

Their record after a bye is damned good and a break won't make the old farts worse. I'm expecting a much different game than last time.

I actually think the depth is OK, it's just how the roster is built that makes is seem bad. OL I think is OK and DL again is more how the roster is put together more than anything else.

Well he's probably pretty much there anyway... which based on game 1 ain't so bad....

I also maintain that with better quarterbacking we might see more from receivers. I dunno but we really didn't see many people really bitching about the receivers after game 1. Just seems there's a real disconnect between what the team is bringing in vs. what works with collaros, yet they are so committed to collaros. I dunno feels like there's a turning point coming soon in terms of how things are being done.

So the mistake isn't so much letting Lawler go, it's not bringing in someone to replace him. I guess they thought Mitchell could do some of that, and we'll that hasn't happened.

So how hum overall numbers and inability to be consistent... and everyone is acting like we're fools for not giving the guy a HUGE payday. I like Lawler and agree that he can have a monster game but at that kinda price tag I expect more than what he gave us. Offense still was a hot mess last year. I'm telling you, you want a good offense in the cfl get a good qb and our qb is problem #1 right now.

Did Lawler make much of an impact here after his edmonton misadventures?

That's my recollection. Simon spent the 01 season in the NFL and Bruce had emerged that year.

I have always hated this description of it... it was JUST Robert Gordon, it was also Arland Bruce as a young guy and he turned out pretty good too.

Well it's also a case of a hold over from the year before, so not really new new....

So you said acceptable offer... that to me doesn't necessarily mean asking price, it means a starting point in his opinion. Cause I remember listening to Walters year end presser last year and he basically went through a bunch of guys (including Ford) that he said we're going to be getting paid and he was doubtful they'd be able to bring them back. What we have going on here now is a disconnect between coach and GM. We got a gm willing to move on from players and a coach resistant to playing new guys. Something will give eventually

So what that is, is Walters heard the ask from their camp and moved on. Simple as that. If walters decides a guy is going to get too much money he seems to just go on to the next. Players of course get all butthurt because they figure everyone should be kissing their feet.

Will give case a chance, but like everyone you gotta produce to keep that spot. I am still less concerned with the receivers and more concerned with collaros and thr DL.

Well I'm thinking he probably gets hurt at some point and changes will be forced. Or we see more ass kickings and they suddenly realize status quo isn't going to get it done anymore.

Yeah collaros is being rewarded way too much for 19 and 21, one of those years he wasn't even a main factor in the game. Dude's old and not the same guy he was. He can't be the unquestioned starter anymore.

And the fact that for the remainder of the year Brown did more with the same team as Zach. That offseason was the time to make the big move and lock in with Brown (and have Streveler as his backup) and ship collaros and his boat anchor of a contract but for whatever assets you can get.

So what you're saying is, guys who have only played 3 games have less stats? And Alexander a d collaros are a whole 2 yards different. Like I said, not a big sample size.

now I'm all onboard the Collaros is cooked train, but dude has had 2 bye weeks plus a suspension so he's played 3 games. Not exactly a lot to go on.