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My Dad & six uncles fought in WW2. My Mom didn't see my father for nearly 5 years. My oldest brother was born when he was away. I never heard my Mother bitching or complaining ever about having to be a single Mom in a World War not knowing if my Dad would ever return. They put up with shortages, rationing & life was not easy. I can't imagine the stress (that lasted for years) these women were under at the time. These alt right conservatives & entitled snowflakes today crying about a conspiracy with vaccines & how their rights have been taken away forced to wear masks with restrictions can go **** off.
Oh yeah, my father was an alcoholic. A quiet man with a loving family but much preferred being drunk to being sober. Was it from the War? I don't know as it was never discussed in our house & my Dad never sought treatment but he obviously was in pain. So yes, Stickem, those soldiers carried a heavy load. 

And then when the value of the product went up with better ratings nothing changed. The CFL kept dealing solely with TSN. So, they did create the situation they're in. Also, responding to TBurg's comments about TSN not keeping the price of the tv contract low for theirs & Bell's benefit, there is no way that they are paying full price or even a premium now for their TV product to the detriment of the CFL.
This also drives home the problem of limited revenue streams in this country & why the CFL is in discussion with Red Bird Capital for more money. The cold reality for the haters of the CFL/XFL merger out there is that if the CFL has to go to outside sources to get that money because they can't get it from Canadian government, broadcasters & advertisers then they will be subject to those investors rules & demands. If it means 4 down football & a place for the XFL to play then so be it, I guess. Tradition & 3 down football will mean nothing which is sad. 

it's sad that the entity that holds the exclusive rights to televise the CFL can't find value in promoting the product... if they are claiming that the current numbers don't support inclusion then not including them will do nothing to grow those numbers... it's like they've given up...  on the other hand, maybe it speaks to their confidence in there being a 2021 season... either way it's disappointing...

it's sad that the entity that holds the exclusive rights to televise the CFL can't find value in promoting the product... if they are claiming that the current numbers don't support inclusion then not including them will do nothing to grow those numbers... it's like they've given up...  on the other hand, maybe it speaks to their confidence in there being a 2021 season... either way it's disappointing...

TSN pulled the first add and replaced Brady with an Argo. Embarrassing for the CFL that we're entirely in their hands. 

the reason why NFL fans don't care about the CFL is because they aren't aware of the CFL... true story... as a life long NFL fan I can tell you that I had completely forgotten that the CFL even existed... if it weren't for my favorite college player coming to Canada to play it still wouldn't have been on my radar... 
there is absolutely zero sports talk about the CFL in the states... sure, ESPN carries a hand full, maybe 4 games a year on the deuce, there is no media coverage here... if ESPN Sportscenter were to actually have coverage of the league during the season I believe you'd see a large spike in interest...
Maybe Ambrosie could pursue getting ESPN to actually include the CFL in there "world wide sports coverage"... just a thought...

the reason why NFL fans don't care about the CFL is because they aren't aware of the CFL... true story... as a life long NFL fan I can tell you that I had completely forgotten that the CFL even existed... if it weren't for my favorite college player coming to Canada to play it still wouldn't have been on my radar... 
there is absolutely zero sports talk about the CFL in the states... sure, ESPN carries a hand full, maybe 4 games a year on the deuce, there is no media coverage here... if ESPN Sportscenter were to actually have coverage of the league during the season I believe you'd see a large spike in interest...
Maybe Ambrosie could pursue getting ESPN to actually include the CFL in there "world wide sports coverage"... just a thought...

Am I the only one who thinks CFL 2.0 is just an excuse for a bunch of guys to travel around the world for free? 

As someone who has extensive experience in purchasing and negotiation of advertising in TV and other media I can assure you that is exactly how it works.

That's fair. I'd say we're threatened in the sense that if the XFL does succeed it will impact the CFL in terms of recruiting or retaining talent. Hasn't happened yet to any large extent though.
That's great! I think that speaks more to St. Louis being an excellent sports city than the draw of the XFL or the quality of play. St. Louis should have an NFL team. Shameful that they don't. 
I think the XFL is doomed to fail, despite some good markets like St. Louis, and despite potential streaming revenue. The CFL is around the same scale in terms of attendance, TV, etc. But, it's apples and oranges. The CFL is an entirely different game, also showcasing Canadian talent. It will always have a draw to Canadians. And the TSN numbers look small, but considering the population, aren't bad. TSN also renewed their contract, so they must be doing alright with it. I know many fans who prefer Canadian football to American. The XFL is a vastly inferior version of the NFL, unlikely to have any star or high profile players emerge. Maybe a few that end up on an NFL roster. I don't think American fans will watch or support that in the long term. It also doesn't have the appeal of supporting a favorite college team, even if the level of play is decent.   
And no hating here. Thanks for the insights from someone who has been to an XFL game.

This is probably my favourite feature....

Unfortunately we are not going to find a system that appeals to everybody.  
 
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Good point. NFL games have become super expensive in most markets. And with TV coverage being so great, sitting at home watching in HD is a pretty good option. I've gone to a few NFL games and I'm glad I did, but, not sure it was money well spent. CFL games are inexpensive and fun. Sounds like the XFL games are too.

didn't the AFL end in 1969 when it merged with the NFL?
bottom line is, I'm a fan of football... I follow high school football, NCAA football, NFL,  CFL, and now the XFL... and not necessarily in that order... I follow NCAA and CFL at a much higher level of interest than I do the NFL...  I've actually watched every CFL game during the past 3 seasons...
in all honesty, I see the XFL much like the CFL in terms that it more accessible and affordable for the common man to be involved in and support... I'm not sure why that's a bad thing...  

you mean like this former Bomber's catch yesterday?
 
yeah, total crap... lol...

didn't the AFL end in 1969 when it merged with the NFL?
bottom line is, I'm a fan of football... I follow high school football, NCAA football, NFL,  CFL, and now the XFL... and not necessarily in that order... I follow NCAA and CFL at a much higher level of interest than I do the NFL...  I've actually watched every CFL game during the past 3 seasons...
in all honesty, I see the XFL much like the CFL in terms that it more accessible and affordable for the common man to be involved in and support... I'm not sure why that's a bad thing...  

Probably doesn't realize that 66 Chevelle is a car and not your birth year and last name ha

you calling me old?  lol... it's all good...

because it doesn't matter how big the market is if nobody cares in said market...  LA was and is going to be a dog regardless of how good or bad the product is, they can't even support an NFL team the majority of the time... NY is another place that should have been avoided given all of the current pro teams they as well and given the possibility of bad weather would you expect someone from NY to go to the games?
much like Toronto, if the local market doesn't show up to the games, those outside that market become indifferent to watching or supporting that team as well...  empty seats tells people that the product isn't worth tuning in for, whether it's true or not...
even though Dallas isn't doing terrible in attendance I would have avoided them as well, especially when you had another Texas location that proved the year before that they would support a spring league with big numbers in San Antonio... San Diego would have been a good choice as well... then I would have looked at maybe Oakland instead of LA... with them losing the Raiders and their track record for supporting football it would have been a much better choice for a California location...
last week's NY/LA game, The top 5 local markets were: Cleveland (2.4 rating), Houston (2.4), Nashville (2.4), New Orleans (2.4), and Buffalo (2.3). No one from NY or LA watching...
the DC/TB game, The top 5 local markets were: Tampa-St. Pete (2.4 rating), Cincinnati (1.8), Buffalo (1.4), St. Louis (1.4), and Ft. Myers-Naples (1.3).
the SEA/STL game, Top Markets: St. Louis (8.1/20), Seattle (3.7/11), Memphis (2.6/5), Dallas (2.0/6), Atlanta (2.0/6) and Cleveland (2.0/5)
the DAL/HOU game, Top Markets: Houston (3.27), St. Louis (1.63), Austin (1.59), Dallas (1.56), Jacksonville (1.23)
as you can see, LA, NY, or DC didn't even crack the top 5 of any game let alone their own team's game...
also, the TV ratings aren't as bad as some would like to believe... it has as much to do with the channel they are on as it does the games themselves... right now games are on 5 different networks, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but when you look at the overall numbers it tells you the network airing the games does play into the success of the broadcast... if the XFL were on only ABC and FOX , you much like how the NFL does it's TV scheduling, the numbers would be a lot more impressive... ESPN does decent but ESPN2 and Fox Sports are a harder sell, the numbers bear it out regardless of the match up... for instance...
ABC has had 5 games in the first 4 weeks, veiwer totals were 3.3M, 2.1M, 2.4M, 1.9M, and 1.6M or an average of 2.3M per game viewing...
FOX has had 5 games as well, viewer totals were 3.3M, 3.4M, 2.3M, 2.1M, and 1.8M, or an average of 2.6M per game viewing...
ESPN has had 2 games, viewer totals were 2.5M and 1.5M, or an average of 2.0M per game viewing...
but when you drop down to FOX Sports you see drastically different results from the same game and teams... they have had 3 games, 1.4M, 1.0M, and 1.1M, or an average of 1.2M per game...
ESPN2 has had only 1 game that drew 1.0M...
I guarantee you that both ABC and FOX , and even ESPN, are more than tickled with the ratings... ESPN2 and FS1 drags the overall numbers down...
but even so, last Sunday's game on FS1 only drew 1,1M viewers, which was actually up 11% from the week's before game of 1.0M viewer,  it still  ranked 7th out of 150 cable tv shows on Sunday... also, it pushed FS1 to #1 in viewership among cable sports networks between 4-7pm
ESPN2's game on Sunday between between DC and TBay had the lowest ratings of any game so far this season, only 1.0M, yet their prime time telecast was ranked 9th out of 150 Cable TV programs.
attendance at St. Louis was been so good that they are opening up and selling tickets in the upper bowl on the 'home side' for the rest of the year... the Bombers only had 1 home game last year that drew more fans than either of their first 2 home games and that was the Banjo Bowl...
with a little tweaking along the way this league has a legit chance of making it... in most likelyhood it will fail like all others have but it's not as grime and dire and most haters would like to believe... I watched both games yesterday and they were fun to watch... you have to remember that most football fans are not nearly as critical of the game as those of us that spend time here... it doesn't have to be the best football, just entertaining football... 
I've been to all 4 of St. Louis' games this year, enjoyed each one of them... I've even have suite for all of their home games and I can promise you is absolutely no need to have crowd noise piped in at St. Louis... in fact, you'll see even the home team having to cover the ear holes on their helmet to hear the play call...
but I get it, some feel threaten by the new league, or simply feel their is no way it could ever succeed but remember, the CFL only has 9 teams and has been around for 107 years yet they only average 4,000 more fans per game than a 4 week old league... TV numbers aren't even close... through the first 4 games of last season the CFL average around 500,000 viewers per game... if the CFL game survive on those numbers I find it interesting that many here don't believe that the XFL could as well... it will never be the NFL, but no one will ever be the NFL, but if the numbers maintain they have a real chance of making a go of it...
alright... hating starts.... NOW!  lol...

Except we beat nothing but garbage teams with Nichols. We got a win over Calgary that was due to Janarion Grant and a timely interception, aside from that we beat horrible teams and pissed away a huge lead against Toronto. 
Collaros (2x), Streveler and Nichols all started against Calgary and Nichols had BY FAR the worst game of the bunch. Let’s stop pretending that Nichols had anything to do with our wins. We won a Grey Cup without Nichols, which is something we never came close to achieving with him. 

They have 21 k season tickets sold in St. Louis 

I'll  be in Dallas for game 1, Houston for game 2, and St. Louis for games 3 and 4... I'll let you know how it goes... being told that the first home game in St. Louis is expected to be a sell out...

I'll  be in Dallas for game 1, Houston for game 2, and St. Louis for games 3 and 4... I'll let you know how it goes... being told that the first home game in St. Louis is expected to be a sell out...

I'll  be in Dallas for game 1, Houston for game 2, and St. Louis for games 3 and 4... I'll let you know how it goes... being told that the first home game in St. Louis is expected to be a sell out...