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Honestly too much time was spent living in their glory days of 2019, 2021 etc. Losing by 1 in 2022 with collaros on a bum ankle was the worst outcome. Delayed changes, and the making 2 more cup games just reinforced the idea their core was still good enough. Too little change post 2022 is the problem IMO. Yes I know there has been a lot of roster turnover... but I think a change in philosophy was warranted because steady as she goes isn't working anymore.

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Walters also noted that it has become increasingly difficult to get guys to come north because of the new spring leagues, and changes to the NFL roster rules. It's just a lot tougher finding US talent. Having said that, other teams are finding players so we need to do that too.

I think that is a symptom of the greater problem. I'm a big fan of both those guys, but in general, since the 19 GC win, we've been losing more than we have brought in. That is across the board and from the roster up to management. From Kongbo, Hansen, Alford, Desjarlais, Stove, Lawler (twice), etc, over to Ryan, Ted, Cyril, Bourgoins, and more. We have hemorrhaged talent in all areas and brought in very little to replace the losses. Championship teams always go through that. But where prior to 19, we played an active role in FA trying to improve, we became complacent and expected that retaining as many of our pieces and developing guys internally would keep us at the top of the league. Problem is, many of our best moves in the mafia era are free agent scores from other teams. Combine that with the fact that our coach wants to ride the old guard into the dust, no matter who is backing them up and what they are capable of, and you have a massive collapse of what should've been the greatest dynasty in league history. The problem is Mos, but it is also Walters. And it's also Wade for not prevent the other 2 from messing up so badly. They need to skip blame (which they would't consider any way) and go right into root cause and repair. Whose replacement makes you better off, today and in the future? Who is easier to replace, and can either be recovered to be top tier in their jobs here again? But I don't think anyone involved is willing to have that conversation yet. It might not even end up being one; it might be Wade getting called into a BOG meeting and getting the choice of who goes. As others have pointed out, the Ham game after the BJB will be a big game for us. 3-5 in our last 8 games. if we win 1 of the next 2, bc/edmonton likely passes us for the last play off spot in the west / the cross over. After that, we had Ham, Ssk, and Mtl, which will all be tough win,s plus ott in ot,t which is always hard for us. The 1 remaining game, vs edm on the road, might not be a freebie either. With 7 games left, 4 wins likely gaurentees the play offs. 3 wins, if we beat edmonton likely puts us in. But in that case, we need toronto to strugle down the stretch.

I've been to MANY games we McMahon over the last 18 years (...sigh...) and Mark's take here is super funny. They do have a lot of tailgating in their parking lot and area around the stadium (some people just stay in their tailgate and listen to the radio... Don't even go in to the games) but there is just nothing in the league that compares to a) what Wade has developed in the stadium tailgate area, and b) What the fans have set up all over th land near the stadium. I think a lot of people don't even realize how much tailgating goes on because it's not directly on the same property as the stadium....

people blame the lack of Brady carries on playcalling -- but in an RPO scheme the QB has the option to pull the ball and throw it. Zach gets a vote too on how Brady's used, and given that Brady had beaten the Als pretty much singlehandedly the week before, the Saskatchewan DEs were opting to crash down on the run more often than not. Zach put up some beaucoup yards and three TDs with his arm -- we almost beat them without our best player being much of a factor. Sucks to lose, but we showed we had a passing attack even with our ragtag receiving corps and leaky pass protection, which is way more that what I expected.

Pokey's return will likely mean the team gets a bit better but I doubt that it will prevent the Blue from flirting with a .500 record, staggering into the playoffs and getting soundly trounced in the first round, I fear this will somehow justify keeping the same cast of characters for yet another year of futility.

yeah and he still relying on those same guys for a lot of parts of roster Also coaches need to change thier philosophy and how they go about things too...their process a it doesnt work forever...evolve and adapt or die...and he hasn't whatsoever He was also supplied with players in their prime and best at their posotion...so success should have been the result....they are now not in may instances Historically the trends for sports is after teams start to struggle and fail that a HC change occurs about 80% of the time first...as they are most responsible for game performance...good....and bad.... It's almost always the first move as a G.M switch is more prone for bigger organizational shifting...or change...and most times unless it's real incompetence, there is no evidence right now for that....also a HC firing, or moving on from one is gonna show the team is looking for accountability before blowing everything up...and totally disemboweling your front office...thats just how she goes Coach goes first, and if things continue down same path...or worse...G.M gets chopped If we fail again this yr it's not far fetched to move on from the coach....it's a what have you done business after all....and we failed 3 straight seasons...and the 4th isnt looking super rosey either doubt it...neither of the teams they went to are ripping the league a new arse like were in our prime We brought in a good crew of guys to replace them...and Penn....That excuse is just that...an excuse with no validity to it

I'm assuming a large issue is the loss of Rigmaiden and Goveia?

Then it works both ways: The 2018 - 2022 was also team that the HC wanted.

You mean more involved than 5 carries? Thats crazy talk.

The answer is he's not.

IN pro football...a HC will let his G.M and scouting staff know what kind of player and skill set he looking for for about 80 percent of his roster....and the staff will also bring some in outliers they like to fill it out, as well as some prospects....Thats how it works The G.M for the most part isnt out bird dogging either.....not his role. He's more the make it work within budget/sms guy and completes all the trans actions He does not cut guys going over the head of the Coach...nor forces guys on field at the behest of his HC The roster we have/had is the vison of Osh...Not the scouting staff and G.M.....Sure there are some variances here and there and some other circumstances (guys falling in your lap..etc) but they miniscule at best I sure with some questionable stuff there is discussion about it but if the HC sells his point they gonna trust him until that trust wears thin....are we there now?...who knows Top to bottom our staff has failed in several capacities the last 3..4 yrs...G.M to H.C....and they reason/problem/disconnect needs to be figured out lickity split or we gonna see this trend continue The frustrating part save for the real lack of urgency this yr in player signings, or lack there of and coaching...waiting well into new yr for an O.C only to promote a guy totally not ready/qualified for the job, os that we continue to make a lot of the same stupid mistakes/moves over..and over...and over.....which lends one to think this crew in current format has hit it's best before date and has no answer now and needs to be rebooted

I would have preferred a win.

Likely they were looking at the whole team, we had spent a disproportionate ount on offence esp at reciever and needed to adjust, this was prior to extra 400k being announced. they gambled on Schoen returning to form As head coach OShea was looking at the whole team.in setting priorities, didnt anticipate that most of their free agent finds would suck

O’Shea does have a say on who gets drafted and he absolutely lobbies for players he likes/wants. Walters has the final say. Both things are true.

We need to see more Brady involved on the offence. We abandoned the run so quickly on Sunday. I don't understand what Hogan is thinking up there. You have the best running back in the league, USE HIM outside of blocking. No one will be surprised if Brady chooses to sign elsewhere in the off season.

Ahhhh Kevin Costner. Same tone, same accent - no matter how everyone else around him is performing.

^^ Good stuff...went well with my morning coffee

Not even joking - that's comparable to preseason pregame here.

Lol, he doubled down.

markonfootball needs to get out more if he thinks that's something outstanding.

It's rare but there have been multiple players in other sports who have won MVP on a team with a losing record (mainly baseball but has happened in the NBA as well). Most recent example was A-Rod in 2003 with Texas despite being 20 games below .500 (71-91). Cal Ripken Jr and Andre Dawson also did it a few years apart from each other in the late 80's/early 90's.

I think I watched the entire video of behind the draft and Walters definitely, and 100%, has final say. I didn't even hear MOS say a word the whole time until Walters had decided and even then Walters said OK this who we are going with, Mike you're good with that? And it wasn't so much him asking MOS but telling him. You guys are really reaching now. I am sure that MOS said yea we don't need Kenny Lawler. 🤣 Post Rigmaiden it has not been good.

So this was discussed in the Labour Day thread but MOP, to me Arbuckle, Mitchell, Adams and even Rourke should be ahead of Harris. Harris is the QB on the best team but the others have been more outstanding. I also think Harris may win because the media will hype him like they did Milligan.