mbrg Posted April 12, 2016 Report Share Posted April 12, 2016 Prior to so many of our forwards being violently murdered, Thorburn was averaging about 9-1/2 minutes of ice time per game - 10th most among Jets forwards. Obviously that average went up as the body count did, but the narrative that he gets 3rd line minutes is false. Sometimes he does appear on the 3rd line, sometimes he doesn't. Lunchbucket guys usually don't last forever, but for them to lose a job the guys with more skill have to be willing to work just as hard, and for an unskilled (relatively) player to get to the NHL, he has to set a standard for hard work that is very high. Thorburn as a Paul Maurice favourite? That might feel true, but it has yet to be put to the test. The Unknown Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted April 12, 2016 Report Share Posted April 12, 2016 Every team has a guy like Thorburn who plays with guts and spitfire, and any coach would be hard-pressed to replace him with another just because of glitter and promise. It's called work ethic. It's no wonder the Coach has a special place for Thorburn, his teammates certainly do. HardCoreBlue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BomberBall Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 I would say, based on a limited sample size, that Copp, Tanev and Lemieux could handle the 'hard worker' role and have a much higher upside. I know Thorburn is loved by his teammates and he's a decent grinder, but he's an anchor to any line with potential. Goalie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 Bottom line. They are in the business of winning hockey games. Tanev Lemieux Dano all have more potential and quite frankly are already better than thorburn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 2 hours ago, Goalie said: Bottom line. They are in the business of winning hockey games. Tanev Lemieux Dano all have more potential and quite frankly are already better than thorburn Lemieux is Thorb's replacement but it will take a year imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted April 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 Thorbs should be the 13 forward at best... I think he would take the role like a true pro and handle it properly. It'll be interesting to see who Maurice plays with Connor. I know it would depend a lot on the draft but putting him on a line with Perreault as the center wouldn't hurt. Connor Perreault Armia? Jimmy Pop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 12 minutes ago, Ducky said: Thorbs should be the 13 forward at best... I think he would take the role like a true pro and handle it properly. It'll be interesting to see who Maurice plays with Connor. I know it would depend a lot on the draft but putting him on a line with Perreault as the center wouldn't hurt. Connor Perreault Armia? Isn't he better off playing with 2 vets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted April 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) I wouldn't play him near Staf so who you going to play him with? Not a lot of vets on the team that I would play with Connor....I think he would be great with Perreault and I really think Armia can hold his own. If ESW and Little are for sure in the top six, Maurice also plays Staf in the top 6 maybe Connor plays with Little and Staf/Perreault but I just don't see it and I think we would be stronger with Perreault at 3C. If Maurice starts ESW, and Perreault Little Staf in the top 6 and Connor starts on the bottom 6 (not my choice), the players fighting for bottom the 7 (13th forward) would be Connor Lowry Copp Armia Thorbs (like it or not) Burmi Petan Lemieux Dano and Tanev...... that 's 10 players if you omit Peluso and count Connor. Am I missing anyone? Out of them you would think that Connor Lowry Dano Thorbs Burmi Copp and Armia make it...apologies to Petan and Lemieux. For the sake of argument, let's say Copp plays with Dano and Burmi, that leaves Connor with Lowry and Armia? If we draft top 3 and a Finn or AM starts, then what? Glad I don't have to figure out this mess but I think Staf needs to be moved so the youngsters have more playing time. Lowry Copp Dano would make a good 4th line. Edited April 13, 2016 by Ducky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Pop Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 21 hours ago, mbrg said: Prior to so many of our forwards being violently murdered, Thorburn was averaging about 9-1/2 minutes of ice time per game - 10th most among Jets forwards. Obviously that average went up as the body count did, but the narrative that he gets 3rd line minutes is false. Sometimes he does appear on the 3rd line, sometimes he doesn't. Lunchbucket guys usually don't last forever, but for them to lose a job the guys with more skill have to be willing to work just as hard, and for an unskilled (relatively) player to get to the NHL, he has to set a standard for hard work that is very high. Thorburn as a Paul Maurice favourite? That might feel true, but it has yet to be put to the test. He got 3rd line mins for half the season - that's not a false narrative. Body count be damned. The issue isn't that it was injuries that forced Thorburn into a bigger role. The issue is that he was in that role. Period. We can debate his value on this team, and sure, maybe elsewhere too he's a top 12 forward - but there's no way you can justify him in our top 9. Mr Dee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrg Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 Prior to the trade of Ladd and the rash of injuries, if Little, Wheeler, Ladd, Schieffle, Ehlers, Stafford, Perrault, Burmistrov and Lowry (that's 9) all got, on average, 5 minutes of icetime per game more than Thorburn (who was averaging only about 1 to 1-1/2 more minutes of ice time than Ryan Reaves), then making the claim that he's seeing the ice too much for this team just is mathematically untrue. I get he's the whipping boy up front, Stuart takes all the crap on D and Pavelec in goal. When the numbers don't bear it out, I'm going to point it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Pop Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 11 minutes ago, mbrg said: Prior to the trade of Ladd and the rash of injuries, if Little, Wheeler, Ladd, Schieffle, Ehlers, Stafford, Perrault, Burmistrov and Lowry (that's 9) all got, on average, 5 minutes of icetime per game more than Thorburn (who was averaging only about 1 to 1-1/2 more minutes of ice time than Ryan Reaves), then making the claim that he's seeing the ice too much for this team just is mathematically untrue. I get he's the whipping boy up front, Stuart takes all the crap on D and Pavelec in goal. When the numbers don't bear it out, I'm going to point it out. And when someone uses excuses to justify below-grade players playing in elevated roles, I'll point it out too. The point is that Thorburn in that role is a failure of management to provide adequate depth and/or a failure of our coaching staff to trust him in that role over players with more offensive upside, a la Petan, Dano, Armia, Lipon, Komaschuk, Ducky and Goalie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 I don't see Thorburn as being used 'out of context' in that the roster the Jets and Moose had, prevented more players being used in 'elevated' roles. And yes, injuries too. The Jets already used a disproportionately youthful roster, with good intent. The safety net was a guy like Thorburn, a 4th liner, filling in wherever the need arose. It's certainly not Thorburn's fault that he had to fill this role over the young-uns. And nobody here can say the young-uns were ready to fill that role without affecting their future effectiveness. And what you call a failure of management amount to the same thing...if they brought in somebody else, there would be no development of the young-uns either, and how and where the Jets ended up this year wouldn't have really changed a great deal. The Jets, as an organization, we're not in a position this past year, but they laying the groundwork, and their future does look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 What youth? Ehlers and Copp? Maybe Burmi but he wasn't a first or 2nd year pro. This youth narrative ppl use is bs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 Also did anybody listen to the year end interviews? Perreault specifically said he will be playing wing next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted April 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 Of course he will, Maurice loves Lowry at 3C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted May 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/137961/hockeys-future-2016-nhl-prospect-of-the-year-connors-strong-ncaa-season-a-springboard-to-nhl-career/ sorry if someone posted this already... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted May 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) Ferraro thinks Scheifele was the best Canadian in the gold medal game. Laine's one-timer and wrist shot are elite. Said foot speed was a concern from what he heard before the WHC. Thinks he is a really smart player. Also, no matter what Canada did to get him off of his game, they couldn't do it. Mentions his cocky sense of humor. Not a bad listen. edit.........http://www.tsn.ca/radio/winnipeg-1290/ferraro-scheifele-looks-like-a-number-one-centre-1.496364 Edited May 27, 2016 by Ducky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 According to my Finnish buddy Patrik Laine cut his hair yesterday, and it was the number one story in Finland. Finland is Laine crazed right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 Still think our top line ends up as Laine-Scheif-Wheeler by November Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Unknown Poster Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 He'll be bald by 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 2 hours ago, Floyd said: Still think our top line ends up as Laine-Scheif-Wheeler by November Doesn't have the speed to keep up. Laine Little makes more sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 2 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: He'll be bald by 25 Yeah he's heading for Ryan Getzlaff territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 1 hour ago, Goalie said: Doesn't have the speed to keep up. Laine Little makes more sense Ducky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted June 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/134905/top-20-winnipeg-jets-prospects/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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