Ducky Posted January 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 I agree, someone will give Buff 7 years as an UFA and he knows it....the Jets will have to give him 6 years. 5 years at 7 per is a steal.........like I said yesterday, if he signed for 5 years (an ideal term in my warped mind), I'd give him 8m per year. I can't believe McKenzie came out with this because the more I think of it the more absurd it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 7 mil puts him ahead of Seabrook , Keith, Karlsson, Giodarno, and Pietrangelo, still to much for Buff for me. Goalie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) Jets D is already the 2nd highest paid d in the league. Something has to give there. Trouba gonna get a raise... probably 5 million. Enstrom makes Damn near 6 million. Myers makes about what? 5 ish. Buff at 7 or more. Sorry it don't work. You gotta trade buff or Trouba and enstrom. You can't be spending that much on your d. Just silly. And for the record due to his lack of commitment off the ice I don't think trouba deserves 5 million plus he hasn't done much on it to prove he is worth that but that's what he will probably get. Someone needs to go. Jets need money to pay their forwards too. Edited January 14, 2016 by Goalie bustamente 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Buff at his highest level for the majority of the season, is worth that money. The rub with him is always going to be that he can't physically play that top end game, at his size, for the majority of the season, so he's never going to be worth that money. The inconsistency has to drive a coach mad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) It's all about managing your money. You can't spend that much on your d and expect to have any forwards unless they are all on ELC deals. It doesn't work and with the Canadian dollar the way it is. .. Jets won't be a cap team or even close to it. Outside of Montreal and Toronto none of the cdn teams will be. It's easy to say give buff this or that but reality is there is a cap and in 2 years let's say when a guy like ehlers or even helle or maybe a kyle Connor or Mathews even needs to get paid and buff and your d is making like 40 percent of your budget... you are gonna lose them. Paying your d that much just doesn't work. People aka fans think short term. Management at least good ones think long term. Sure would suck to lose scheif or Trouba or Ehlers helle or Connor cuz buff is making 7 million a year. Edited January 15, 2016 by Goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) Short term pain for long term gain. This team when it is a playoff contender... it's gonna be with scheif ehlers Connor helle trouba... the kids. The Ladds and buffs will be long gone. Draft and develop not overpay for 30 year Olds who really won't make that much of a difference. With buff and Ladd we are a playoff bubble team who is 26th overall in the league. Change is coming and it's about time. Should have done this 5 years ago really. Edited January 15, 2016 by Goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted January 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 Yup, let's trade our best RHD because he makes too much but keep our 3RHD (Myers) because he has a good contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, bustamente said: 7 mil puts him ahead of Seabrook , Keith, Karlsson, Giodarno, and Pietrangelo, still to much for Buff for me. He's better then Giodarno and as for Seabrook/Keith. Those guys would be asking for same amount in UFA. 1 hour ago, Goalie said: Jets D is already the 2nd highest paid d in the league. Something has to give there. Trouba gonna get a raise... probably 5 million. Enstrom makes Damn near 6 million. Myers makes about what? 5 ish. Buff at 7 or more. Sorry it don't work. You gotta trade buff or Trouba and enstrom. You can't be spending that much on your d. Just silly. And for the record due to his lack of commitment off the ice I don't think trouba deserves 5 million plus he hasn't done much on it to prove he is worth that but that's what he will probably get. Someone needs to go. Jets need money to pay their forwards too. Toby two more year on that bastid deal but this is best season since 2011/12. Myers contract gets cheaper(4,3.5,3m) after this season. Too damn good of a contract to trade him. 5 years at 7 per? Get her done. Edited January 15, 2016 by FrostyWinnipeg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted January 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 Enstrom's contract is up after the 2017-2018 season. I don't want to see him leave until there is an adequate replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzmore Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 16 hours ago, Goalie said: Jets D is already the 2nd highest paid d in the league. Something has to give there. Trouba gonna get a raise... probably 5 million. Enstrom makes Damn near 6 million. Myers makes about what? 5 ish. Buff at 7 or more. Sorry it don't work. You gotta trade buff or Trouba and enstrom. You can't be spending that much on your d. Just silly. And for the record due to his lack of commitment off the ice I don't think trouba deserves 5 million plus he hasn't done much on it to prove he is worth that but that's what he will probably get. Someone needs to go. Jets need money to pay their forwards too. Lack of commitment OFF the ice? Do you just make up sh...it and throw it at the wall and hope it sticks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 40 minutes ago, blitzmore said: Lack of commitment OFF the ice? Do you just make up sh...it and throw it at the wall and hope it sticks? Shhh... he has nhl insider knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 It's been stated that he's not a fitness type. If so Id be concerned with that certainly. Most of us feel like world beaters when we're 20. Not so much at 30 without some commitment to fitness. And we're not elite athletes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzmore Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) 18 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: It's been stated that he's not a fitness type. If so Id be concerned with that certainly. Most of us feel like world beaters when we're 20. Not so much at 30 without some commitment to fitness. And we're not elite athletes. Stated by who? and he's not 30 is he? Edited January 15, 2016 by blitzmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 I don't recall. If you were GM and your future franchise d man wasn't as committed to fitness as you'd like, you just shrug because he's not 30 yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) By many people. It was a knock on him when he was drafted. The Jets asked him to go join Scheif with Gary Roberts during the summers and Trouba passed on it. Seriously, look this stuff up, you are on the internet, it shouldn't be hard to find these things. People wonder why Trouba struggled so much to start this season and their excuse was he was playing with Stuart, Well, that's a pretty good excuse but playing with stuart doesn't mean you are noticeably slower and out of shape. Trouba has off ice issues, People can believe what they want but... this stuff isn't made up at all. It's widely known by many people that Trouba has his off ice issues, some seem to think as much as some want him to be that #1 franchise D guy, he never will be because his off ice commitment is lacking. Doughty and true Franchise D men don't have that issue, Trouba does, it might just be a phase and perhaps one day he takes his off ice stuff seriously but he hasn't yet. The guy looked like he was skating in quicksand to start the year, that's a sign that you are out of shape, that you didn't take your off-season as seriously as you could have. I like the guy, but there are some red flags with him there for sure. He has potential, will he ever truly reach it? I'm not exactly sure if he will, i hope he does but... something tells me he will never be a legit #1 d man but he will be a good number 2. Ever since his buddy Zach got traded, Trouba hasn't looked the same. Edited January 15, 2016 by Goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 If it's on the internet I'm convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 It's just pointless to even talk about this stuff. Some of you obviously think these guys are perfect little angels who are totally committed. Blake Wheeler just called out a bunch of people the other day question among other things their commitment to the team and game for that matter but what does he know. Yeah, not everything on the internet is true, no kidding but... when guys like McKenzie or Lebrun or guys of that nature say or suggest it, it's more than likely true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 43 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: It's been stated that he's not a fitness type. If so Id be concerned with that certainly. Most of us feel like world beaters when we're 20. Not so much at 30 without some commitment to fitness. And we're not elite athletes. Speak for yourself. Floyd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted January 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 First of all, Wheeler was saying things that Maurice was preaching in the locker room. Second of all, some franchise D men weren't even in the league at Trouba's age. How old was Duncan Keith when he started with Chicago? 22? 23? He is already a 2RHD at 21 for God's sake! Keeping on pointing out that he isn't the same since Bogo left is assinine. Doesn't taking on a bigger role and playing against the other team's top players since Bogo left have any bearing on it? He started the season off slow but so did Myers.......Myers have a problem off ice too? Was Myers out of shape too? Trouba has played better since not paired with Stuart so maybe his off ice problems stopped when he was paired with Buff? Gimme a break!!!! What about Ladd? he must be throwing nose candy up his nose between shifts!!!!!!!! Lowry??? His off ice problems were so bad they sent him to the Moose!!!!!!!!!! Don't even start about Hutch's poor year.... He's probably supplying the stuff to Ladd and Lowry and Myers and Trouba!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Trouba definitely slipped after Bogo was traded. That's apparent. We can speculate as to why. They were best friends. Roommates. Defence partners. Goalie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Trouba was not having a good season before the Bogo trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 I think Trouba just needs to do a lot of growing up... from the stories I've heard his ego is quite massive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Trouba wants a bigger role. I can't blame him. But when you sign his brother TJ to help out with the hockey academy... and you draft his best friend copp... you are doing it for a reason. To add good influence in his life and to make him happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted January 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Copp was drafted because he was a friend of Trouba's? Wow, good thing it is a coincidence he knows how to play hockey...lucked out there. Mr Dee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 It played a role and if you don't think it did, That bridge in Lockport that you own... I mean, you own it right since you were looking to sell it?? The Unknown Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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