Goalie Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Something to keep in mind with Stamkos, His parents just moved to Tampa Bay recently full time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 10 minutes ago, Goalie said: Something to keep in mind with Stamkos, His parents just moved to Tampa Bay recently full time. Well then, the debate could all be moot as I said. If he re-signs in Tampa. He very well could have a deal with Yzerman behind the scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 http://www.torontosun.com/2015/12/19/stamkos-slams-rumors-about-leaving-tampa Quote Four days after Stamkos and the Tampa Bay Lightning visited the Maple Leafs, the Lightning superstar on Saturday addressed with some force the whispers about his hockey future. “Absolutely not,” Stamkos told the Tampa Bay Times when it was suggested to him that it has been decided that he is as good as gone from Tampa. “Not even close. That’s why people (in the media) say ‘I’ve got a feeling’ ... there’s so much information out there that’s probably false. Like the ones about my parents moving to Tampa.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigg jay Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 26 minutes ago, Goalie said: Something to keep in mind with Stamkos, His parents just moved to Tampa Bay recently full time. You're not Eklund are you? blitzmore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 10 minutes ago, Rich said: http://www.torontosun.com/2015/12/19/stamkos-slams-rumors-about-leaving-tampa Thats a good example of not being able to take what a player says to the media. What's he going to say. "Yeah, man, Im out of here." If he wanted to stay, unless Tampa is low balling him, he'd be signed. Compare it to Winnipeg where Ladd says he wants to stay (and we believe him) but the Jets seem to be the ones unsure about wanting to keep him. Stamkos is a top rate player...pay him top rate money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Thing is... Stamkos probably isn't even the top 5 best player on his team right now... The only reason people think he's so good is because of what he did a couple years ago, he's not a top 5 talent on his team, never mind the league. This is a case of people somewhat over valuing Stamkos, It's not about what he's done, it's about what he's going to do in the future and just like Ladd, you need to look at that, you need to be able to say, hmm in 4 5 6 years from now is Andrew Ladd gonna be worth 6 million a year? Is he worth 6 million a year now even? Just like with Stamkos, is he worth 10 million a year? Now? Maybe, in 2 3 4 5 years? probably not. Some of these guys are in for a rude awakening this off-season, yeah i bet there is some team out there who is gonna over pay a ton for some of these guys but in a few years time, will that contract be an albatros on that team that signed it? It might just be. Stamkos hasn't been the same since he broke his leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Big difference between Stamkos and Ladd in their age. in 6 years Stamkos will be 32 and well within that range where experience can make up for whatever declines age starts to give you. Hell, Stamkos is really just entering his prime as he just turned 26. in 6 years Ladd will be on the wrong side of 35. blitzmore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Cream of the crop free agents will get paid but 2nd tier players might find the money is just not there, i include Ladd as a second tier player. If Ladd wants to remain a Jet he will not make anything close to 6 mil. a year, and he wont see that as a free agent so if he and his family are comfortable here in Winnipeg than making 5 or so mil is still a very good payday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 okay, you guys have convinced me. i withdraw my complaint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 13 minutes ago, Goalie said: Thing is... Stamkos probably isn't even the top 5 best player on his team right now... Which five players on the Lightning are better than Stamkos? FrostyWinnipeg, Atomic and blitzmore 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bustamente Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Bettman upholds suspension for Wideman Ducky and The Unknown Poster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) That's not good and in my opinion if the PA appeal this, they are stupid. Just no responsibility shown by Wideman at all. That's the problem with these guys now a days, Can put Evander Kane in to this group also, they take no responsibility for their actions and in Kanes case, they pretend to and then a while later, do the same thing over and over again. Really wish the owners would make these contracts not guaranteed money.. Kind of like the NFL, a portion is guaranteed but not all of it that's for sure. Edited February 17, 2016 by Goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 I love that the PA didn't ask for a reduction. Their position was the suspension was completely unfounded. Pretty tone deaf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 15 hours ago, Goalie said: Really wish the owners would make these contracts not guaranteed money.. Kind of like the NFL, a portion is guaranteed but not all of it that's for sure. Their contracts aren't fully guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 Can't believe someone would even consider begrudging a guy for wanting to play out his contract and help a team in the quest to win the ultimate prize in hockey. Isn't that the point of everything in the NHL? To win the Stanley Cup? And now because Stamkos wants to stick with the team he's got a contract with, while they have a legitimate shot to win the Cup, even though he may leave following the playoff run ... there are suggestions he's not a character guy? Wow. blitzmore and New_Earth_Mud 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearpants Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 8 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: I love that the PA didn't ask for a reduction. Their position was the suspension was completely unfounded. Pretty tone deaf. Wait... the PA thought there should be no suspension?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 49 minutes ago, bearpants said: Wait... the PA thought there should be no suspension?? Yup. They chose to NOT ask for a reduction in the games as an option and went for a home run, arguing that there was no infraction and no suspension required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearpants Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said: Yup. They chose to NOT ask for a reduction in the games as an option and went for a home run, arguing that there was no infraction and no suspension required. I assumed they were going for the 10 gamer... which would have been a justifiable request... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 Maybe they went for 0 games hoping for middle ground response which would have been 10 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 6 hours ago, Mike said: Can't believe someone would even consider begrudging a guy for wanting to play out his contract and help a team in the quest to win the ultimate prize in hockey. Isn't that the point of everything in the NHL? To win the Stanley Cup? And now because Stamkos wants to stick with the team he's got a contract with, while they have a legitimate shot to win the Cup, even though he may leave following the playoff run ... there are suggestions he's not a character guy? Wow. Perhaps you glazed over the discussion. If you cant see the point then you wont ever see it, so its not worth rehashing. But if i team WANTS to trade a player in his final year and he refuses, then yes, I question the character of the player. No wow needed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said: Perhaps you glazed over the discussion. If you cant see the point then you wont ever see it, so its not worth rehashing. But if i team WANTS to trade a player in his final year and he refuses, then yes, I question the character of the player. No wow needed! I stand by my wow. I didn't glaze over the discussion. I was just sharing my own thoughts. blitzmore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 If a GM wants to trade NTC or NMC and the player refuses then that's the fault of the GM . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New_Earth_Mud Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 2 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: Perhaps you glazed over the discussion. If you cant see the point then you wont ever see it, so its not worth rehashing. But if i team WANTS to trade a player in his final year and he refuses, then yes, I question the character of the player. No wow needed! Hes got like zero say in any trade talks. He gives a list of teams. If non of the teams are willing to make a trade n pay him his 10milper then he should rethink what hes asking. He seems to think he can win it all with Tampa. If he thinks that and wants to try then i think its all good. Both sides are taking a risk doing this. His trade value to Tampa will more less remain the same but his asking price to sign with a new team might become less if he cant get Tampa a cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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