peggars Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 New website was started to attempt to track CFL salaries. Its kind of cool and im sure we could give the guy some input. Be interesting to see how far he gets, http://www.cflcapgeek.com/ voodoochylde 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 well until the CFL starts to make salaries public this seems like a waste of the guys time. Be a lot of hearsay and speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peggars Posted June 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 with the cap increase starting to see more positional players salaries reported in the news when previously it was just QBs, im sure if you compiled all of the reported salaries there would be a decent amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBBFanWest Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Thought this was going to be something about cool hats. Sigh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrg Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 The problem with doing something like this is the roster is so large and the salaries of most non-star players never get discussed in the media. Jake Thomas, for example. I could conceive of salary structures that range by $40,000, and both would make sense to me. Knowing the salaries of Willy, Moore, Picard, etc, is only half the battle. The other half, the Teague Sherman's of the CFL, are much harder to nail down. And if you're throwing darts for 20 to 30 players, there's really no point in this at all. The margin for error becomes huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 If he wants to make the effort to try and get this going, good for him. But I can't fathom how this would ever work. All it takes is one team to say no and the whole thing is pointless. TBURGESS and Noeller 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 I appreciate someone wanting to do this, but as mentioned, it's really pointless at this time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peggars Posted June 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 i dont think the objective is to nail down 100% accurate cap reports, but more to compile the biggest possible list of contracts that we do know that are discussed through the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 But the thing that made capgeek so good for NHL matters is that they had all the contract details of everyone. If it was just a case of "well we heard Crosby was in the neighbourhood of 8 million and Toews and Kane were around 10 million" it's not so effective right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Problem is, nobody has a 100% accurate contract number for anyone. They're not made public. So any numbers listed on that site are pure speculation from someone, even the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 I think it's a cool idea but it's got a long long way to go to become relevant in my opinion. I heard maybe bauming say he has something like 20 of 500 players salaries listed? Long long way to go for sure. As a side note, Gonna admit that i really could care less what these guys are making, they aren't making millions like nfl or nhl or nba players or even soccer players, They are making well, some of them are making basically what some of us do for a full year of work for 6 months, It's not as fascinating to me to know that I'm being paid similar to a football player in the CFL.. I'm honestly not to sure why so many people seem to need to know how much somebody else makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 It would be a good site if the numbers were out there, but until the CFL actually puts the numbers out there it's just pie in the sky dreaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrg Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 But the thing that made capgeek so good for NHL matters is that they had all the contract details of everyone. If it was just a case of "well we heard Crosby was in the neighbourhood of 8 million and Toews and Kane were around 10 million" it's not so effective right? And in the NHL it matters. This would do little more than satisfy the curious. In football you can just cut a guy, boom, whatever was left on the contract just goes away. There are no long term consequences for a bad contract. You might miss out on a free agent that year. Or pay a penalty for that year. And then the slate is wiped clean again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holoman Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 LOL so far the Riders are way over the cap according to the site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Problem is, nobody has a 100% accurate contract number for anyone. They're not made public. So any numbers listed on that site are pure speculation from someone, even the media. Same goes for the NHL, and Capgeek worked. It was all pieced together from sources, the NHL doesn't publish salary and contract info. The problem for a CFL version will be a very shallow pool of sources, but if they use some of the better beat reporters and get some inside stuff from agents, it could be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 I could swear that NHL salaries are published/made public......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 I could swear that NHL salaries are published/made public......... They aren't, and apparently the NHL wasn't even sure where CapGeek was getting its info, but he obviously had inside contacts. Often times the total salary value / cap hit is made known (released to media) during a signings, but bonuses and year to year salary structure is not always released. There are other sites out there that have NHL salary information, like www.nhlnumbers.com , but I've heard it said that they sourced their data from CapGeek. It will be a very interesting UFA period to see if these other sites can get accurate info. If the NHL was smart, they would replace CapGeek on their own website (though I think they would need the NHLPA to agree). I know of many long term "dynasty" hockey pools that use player salaries and make people adhere to a league cap. A lot of those may have to change how they do things if salaries aren't readily available. CapGeek had done a lot for interest in the league and for media. That exposure only helps the interest and ratings in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 I could swear that NHL salaries are published/made public......... They are reported because national media (all the "insiders") are all over it and get the numbers from teams, the PA and agents. Pretty much the same as the CFL, just that millions more people care and there are hundreds of reporters sniffing around instead of maybe a dozen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 I could swear that NHL salaries are published/made public......... They aren't, and apparently the NHL wasn't even sure where CapGeek was getting its info, but he obviously had inside contacts. There are other sites out there that have NHL salary information, like www.nhlnumbers.com , but I've heard it said that they sourced their data from CapGeek. It will be a very interesting UFA period to see if these other sites can get accurate info. If the NHL was smart, they would replace CapGeek on their own website (though I think they would need the NHLPA to agree). I know of many long term "dynasty" hockey pools that use player salaries and make people adhere to a league cap. A lot of those may have to change how they do things if salaries aren't readily available. CapGeek had done a lot for interest in the league and for media. That exposure only helps the interest and ratings in the NHL. No kidding. Lots of money to be made there. Bettman was very adamant that the league would never do that though when asked directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peggars Posted June 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 well if you look today there was a some twitter interactions with this site's twitter account and some bomber reporters and low and behold they have 25 reported salaries for the Bombers, granted some of them are errors like Denmark who i thought made around 130,000-150,000 But my reason for wanting salaries published is not so much to know what guys make but hopefully that upper tier contracts that are published might push more guys to come to the CFL than NFL practice squad/3rd string minimum salary guys who might get a season or two, if they know they can make decent money here after their entry level contracts expire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 well if you look today there was a some twitter interactions with this site's twitter account and some bomber reporters and low and behold they have 25 reported salaries for the Bombers, granted some of them are errors like Denmark who i thought made around 130,000-150,000 But my reason for wanting salaries published is not so much to know what guys make but hopefully that upper tier contracts that are published might push more guys to come to the CFL than NFL practice squad/3rd string minimum salary guys who might get a season or two, if they know they can make decent money here after their entry level contracts expire Their agents know, the players know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peggars Posted June 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 on a broader spectrum? you still hear players up here talk about having to instill that this is a legitimate league to guys down south Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 on a broader spectrum? you still hear players up here talk about having to instill that this is a legitimate league to guys down south Well, you're comparing potential millions to tens of thousands and the league they've dreamed their whole lives of playing in versus a league in Canada which might as well be the North Pole to a lot of Americans. Printing the salaries on the front page of every Canadian newspaper won't change that. Fan Boy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikey d Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 I could swear that NHL salaries are published/made public......... There was a time in the late 80's when there was full salary disclosure in the NHL. The Hockey News would publish the full list of each player's salary by team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 I believe the Winnipeg Jets have a policy where they release contract details for new signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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