Captain Blue Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Berry did well here, I was not in favour of his firing. I've heard his players weren't that big of his fans though here. Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holoman Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Berry did well here, I was not in favour of his firing. I've heard his players weren't that big of his fans though here. 2 of those players were either shitty or not healthy enough to not be labeled as shitty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpan85 Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Edwards said that was the best time he has had in the CFL. Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted November 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Berry did well here, I was not in favour of his firing. I've heard his players weren't that big of his fans though here. 2 of those players were either shitty or not healthy enough to not be labeled as shitty. Berry did well here, I was not in favour of his firing. I've heard his players weren't that big of his fans though here. 2 of those players were either shitty or not healthy enough to not be labeled as shitty. This is sort of true....but I would like to hear from Doug Brown on the subject... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpan85 Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Doug Brown is me off more and more. He has turned into such a bitter guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Doug Brown is me off more and more. He has turned into such a bitter guy. He's just a Bomber fan, and we sadly have lots to be bitter about and not many positives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Berry had some people management skill issues when he was here. That factored into why he was fired. Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueandgold Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Berry did well here, I was not in favour of his firing. I've heard his players weren't that big of his fans though here. I couldn't give less of a damn about that. We made the playoffs three years in a row. The only other time we've done that recently was in 2000-2003 with Ritchie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Berry had some people management skill issues when he was here. That factored into why he was fired. Big time. The inmates ran the asylum when he was here, luckily he had some pretty solid inmates who could lead. The total loss of control in 08 and downloading of the OC duties to Dinwiddie and Glenn in the second half of the season proved the guy can't handle any of the positions that require management skills. Good coach, not a manager. Not cut out to be a head coach or co-ordinator. OL coach or maybe even QB coach would be a good role for him, along with advising a young head coach. Don't want him in charge of anything. blueandgoldguy and blitzmore 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 If your HC is a "players coach" it's never a bad idea to have an assistant who's a hard ass. Good cop bad cop. I'd be thrilled of Berry and Burke are our coordinators. Experience and success right there. Two guys who have seen it all and won. The fact they were both head coaches doesn't hurt if the HC is a rookie who needs to pick his coordinators minds from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Berry had some people management skill issues when he was here. That factored into why he was fired. Big time. The inmates ran the asylum when he was here, luckily he had some pretty solid inmates who could lead. The total loss of control in 08 and downloading of the OC duties to Dinwiddie and Glenn in the second half of the season proved the guy can't handle any of the positions that require management skills. Good coach, not a manager. Not cut out to be a head coach or co-ordinator. OL coach or maybe even QB coach would be a good role for him, along with advising a young head coach. Don't want him in charge of anything. I vaguely remember Glenn calling plays when he didn't want to. But who was OC. Berry wasn't OC at the time....unless I'm confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted November 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 one player said "from Day 1, I knew that ******* was gonna be gone from here before I was"....and it's a pretty respected player, so it's not like it was a jerk who didn't like being told he was a jerk. There's no question Berry was an ******* who let things get outta hand, and forced Bauer to get rid of him. Probably some credibility to the idea that he'd be better suited as a position coach... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Berry had some people management skill issues when he was here. That factored into why he was fired. Big time. The inmates ran the asylum when he was here, luckily he had some pretty solid inmates who could lead. The total loss of control in 08 and downloading of the OC duties to Dinwiddie and Glenn in the second half of the season proved the guy can't handle any of the positions that require management skills. Good coach, not a manager. Not cut out to be a head coach or co-ordinator. OL coach or maybe even QB coach would be a good role for him, along with advising a young head coach. Don't want him in charge of anything. I vaguely remember Glenn calling plays when he didn't want to. But who was OC. Berry wasn't OC at the time....unless I'm confused. Kit Cartwright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 If your HC is a "players coach" it's never a bad idea to have an assistant who's a hard ass. Good cop bad cop. I'd be thrilled of Berry and Burke are our coordinators. Experience and success right there. Two guys who have seen it all and won. The fact they were both head coaches doesn't hurt if the HC is a rookie who needs to pick his coordinators minds from time to time. There's a big difference between a hard ass and an ass who is overwhelmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 I don't put a lot of stock into the ******* thing. The team were winners under Berry and losers under Kelly. Is rather have pissed off players who won than happy players who lost And if guys like Edwards loved playing for him that tells me it was less that Berry was a raging prick and more likely a personality conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzmore Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 If Berry was so great they would have kept him in Montreal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holoman Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 If Berry was so great they would have kept him in Montreal! By that logic, Ricky Ray would have never been traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Won't be back doesn't have to mean fired. He was hired as a consultant and became OC. Maybe he didn't want to be more than a consultant. He is 65. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzmore Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 If Berry was so great they would have kept him in Montreal! By that logic, Ricky Ray would have never been traded. The logic is different..we're talking about Tillman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holoman Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 If Berry was so great they would have kept him in Montreal! By that logic, Ricky Ray would have never been traded. The logic is different..we're talking about Tillman! Logic is the same, the only difference would be the reasoning behind it. Tillman thought he could get some assets he didn't have and get the same result without the flashy stats. Popp wants to surround himself with his guys. Obviously felt enough about Berry to bring him in last year as a consultant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzmore Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 If Berry was so great they would have kept him in Montreal! By that logic, Ricky Ray would have never been traded. The logic is different..we're talking about Tillman! Logic is the same, the only difference would be the reasoning behind it. Tillman thought he could get some assets he didn't have and get the same result without the flashy stats. Popp wants to surround himself with his guys. Obviously felt enough about Berry to bring him in last year as a consultant. If the reasoning is different then so is the logic. You really have no idea what Tillman was thinking or Popp for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandgoldguy Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Just because Berry was a better coach than any Bomber coach that came after him doesn't mean he was a good coach. Because he certainly wasn't. HIs out of control raging on the sideline coupled with emotion-based decision making with the challenge flag that rarely resulted in overturning of a play in the Bombers' favour as opposed to using cool rational judgement. Grey Cup 2007 trying to challenge a challenge flag Brilliant Doug, that's worse than any coaching mistake from Lapo or Burke! Berry is the type of fiery coach who only lasts three years before the players start tuning him out. It happened early in his third season here and it would most likely would happen here again should the team be foolish enough to hire him as head coach. I guess I would be OK with him as the OC although I think the Bombers could do better. The Bomber offense was only ever above average for the first ten games or so of the 2007 season during his tenure. Otherwise, it was consistently below average. Yes, I know we had Kevin Glenn at the helm his entire stay but the offense had three pretty good receivers in Armstron, Stegall and Edwards and a pretty good running back in Roberts and a solid O-line. blitzmore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 No one is saying berry as HC. And once again when he was here he was not OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPuDS Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 it is funny people are not paying attention to the fact that people are suggesting OC and not HC.. huge difference.. DR. CFL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valderan_CA Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Berry: Winnipeg - fired -> For one bad year where a bunch of players got hurt and didn't play up to expectations Sask - fired -> Grandpa Miller and Durant shitshow, it was a bad scene and a bad firing Mtl - fired ->I wouldn't be shocked to see his position being given to AC... Why the love? No thanks in any capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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