2-0 is the goal, Jake and that Dline should feast, 15th straight sellout, rain or not.........LETS ******* GO!!!!!!!

1 hour ago, Mike said:

All of this is very wrong for all of the reasons already outlined in the last dozen posts.

Brady, Demski, Nield, Neufeld, Wallace, Bryant

If we were using our ratio to its full extent, this easily accomplishes what we want it to without us being pigeon holed into a Canadian fullback, tight end, receiver, whatever for that last spot.

Yup...piss poor construct based soley on a coaches bias..

6 hours ago, Goalie said:

People were wrong. Dude obviously gives the coordinators their say. If you don’t think so guess Condell and younger are full of **** also cuz they say that. It’s collaborative. O’Shea likely has a say in special teams and the last couple Canadians on the roster. It’s why younger has all the Americans on the roster cuz younger wants them. Our D sucks through 2 games tho, our O doesn’t, our sp teams don’t. That’s on younger. I don’t care who the irrelevant 5th receiver is honestly.

We've had this discussion before. with you or others, I can't remember. A coaching staff is not a democracy. It's collaborative to a point. However, the Head Coach has final say in everything from play calling & schemes to personnel on the field. If Osh says no on any subjecy then the discussion is over. Yes, the D is on Younger responsibility but he still answers to Osh. If the HC wants to make changes like changing coordinators, simplifying the schemes or cutiing players then he will do it as he has that authority. Whether anyone disagrees or not.

1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

We've had this discussion before. with you or others, I can't remember. A coaching staff is not a democracy. It's collaborative to a point. However, the Head Coach has final say in everything from play calling & schemes to personnel on the field. If Osh says no on any subjecy then the discussion is over. Yes, the D is on Younger responsibility but he still answers to Osh. If the HC wants to make changes like changing coordinators, simplifying the schemes or cutiing players then he will do it as he has that authority. Whether anyone disagrees or not.

Basically...exactly..just way it is...as at end of day its his ass on the line and he has to answer to, and be responsible for end result...

44 minutes ago, Booch said:

Basically...exactly..just way it is...as at end of day its his ass on the line and he has to answer to, and be responsible for end result...

What's tough is when a longtime head coach is fired & then hired as a coordinator on another team. He goes from giving the ordred to taking them without fail. I always admired guys who were in that situation & put their egos in their pockets & became loyal assistants. Also kudos to the head coaches who hired them not worrying about whether they'll try to cut them off at the knees to get their jobs.

1 hour ago, Booch said:

Basically...exactly..just way it is...as at end of day its his ass on the line and he has to answer to, and be responsible for end result...

By that logic the ultimate responsibility for the roster construction is KWs. If he has a coach exhibiting flaws he is responsible for correcting it.

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

By that logic the ultimate responsibility for the roster construction is KWs. If he has a coach exhibiting flaws he is responsible for correcting it.

That's true too...and what happens when you have buddies all working together in varying roles of responsibility in my opinion

12 hours ago, GCn20 said:

By that logic the ultimate responsibility for the roster construction is KWs. If he has a coach exhibiting flaws he is responsible for correcting it.

Yep. GM's fire head coaches all the time. Mostly to cover their asses for mistakes they made either hiring the wrong HC to begin with. Or such as to cover up a bad trade or lack of recruiting themselves as a distraction to buy a GM more time.

as it generally goes in football...tried true and finite...a HC will usually can a coordinator when things go down the pooper to try and save his own hiney...and when that doesn't work...The G.M has to take do his job and can the HC he signed...That's his mulligan and his chance to right a ship....and if/when that turns into more the same lack of success, or even becomes worse and you still have a listing/sinking ship....He is next to go and house is cleaned....Especially when it starts to effect the bottom line. Pretty rare...almost never happens that a G.M is axed for a team failing to live up to expectations...or see success and a HC is retained for the new GM...Good luck finding any G.M worth spit willing to walk into that situation.

And to be frank would never wanna be a part of any organization where it's done in reverse....as its a sure sign the dynamics of the hierarchy are way outta whack and just a place that's not gonna succeed until all all purged...We didn't hit that Ottawa Renegades/Gleiberman era of nonsense but jury still out so far on this season and what we are in for...there been some real good signs in some aspects...but some of the issues that really handcuffed and handicapped us are slowly seeping back into the forefront whether some here don't wanna believe it...or don't see it

I still think we made the right move in giving Walter's a new deal and he stepped up, but do think the Osh time was up and we needed to move on...no coach stays in one place forever and 14 yrs in football is an eternity and ultra rare.

I still giving benefit of doubt...the season is hardly started and there are a lot of positives so far...but if we fall on our face again...miss play-offs and some of it can be directly related to a lot of the same ol same ol....and a a refusal all yr to utilize league wide rules that only we re-buff...time to snip snippity snip

Let's just gain some perspective here in that we're talking about a 12-14 win team becoming a 8-10 win team.

Between 95 and 2015 we won 10 games twice, 11 games once, 12 games once and 14 games once.

I look at it as...We went from a struggling group first couple seasons...Got loaded with talent in prime...won 2 cups....Bet the farm on the same roster....lost a Cup...More of retaining and then starting some bad decisions...went to 2 more cups but lost basically from our own doing....Didn't learn from the past...didn't use foresight and assess our roster and it's weaknesses and basically stood status quo.... decreasing wins each season since 2022 and barely squeaked into playoffs, and got punted out in first round

Seemed to shift gears this off-season tho..and actually brought in guys to replace some the 3 yr running dead weight, and also finally hired some guys from outside the organization....Condell...Hull....Addison so this is all good

But we kinda seeing some of the same coming back into play, and of this season ends either with less wins...having to cross over to make playoffs or being a sub .500 team and not even getting to them...Then thats 5 yrs into a downward trend...spiral and we need to nip it in the bud and the place to do it is HC....That is a sustained trend in wrong direction anyway u slice it, and if it's kinda a result of a lot of the same crap...why stay the course??

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by Booch

They will get the D figured out i have no doubts about that. Between Oshea, Younger and Hall there's too many bright minds and pride to let it stay that bad.

We've won 10+ games 9 straight years, longest streak in club history. Sure its been frustrating the last year or so but this is not the Reinbold or Daley eras.

7 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

We've won 10+ games 9 straight years, longest streak in club history. Sure its been frustrating the last year or so but this is not the Reinbold or Daley eras.

TRUE...but we also trending down for 4 straight...wins....placement in standings...playoff success....a 5th yr of continuation this yr...when do you say enough is enough?

I'm not advocating for this in anyway. But we do now have a legit HC in waiting on the staff in Condell.

3 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

I'm not advocating for this in anyway. But we do now have a legit HC in waiting on the staff in Condell.

This is Jason Hogan erasure and I will not stand for it

1 hour ago, Booch said:

as it generally goes in football...tried true and finite...a HC will usually can a coordinator when things go down the pooper to try and save his own hiney...and when that doesn't work...The G.M has to take do his job and can the HC he signed...That's his mulligan and his chance to right a ship....and if/when that turns into more the same lack of success, or even becomes worse and you still have a listing/sinking ship....He is next to go and house is cleaned....Especially when it starts to effect the bottom line. Pretty rare...almost never happens that a G.M is axed for a team failing to live up to expectations...or see success and a HC is retained for the new GM...Good luck finding any G.M worth spit willing to walk into that situation.

And to be frank would never wanna be a part of any organization where it's done in reverse....as its a sure sign the dynamics of the hierarchy are way outta whack and just a place that's not gonna succeed until all all purged...We didn't hit that Ottawa Renegades/Gleiberman era of nonsense but jury still out so far on this season and what we are in for...there been some real good signs in some aspects...but some of the issues that really handcuffed and handicapped us are slowly seeping back into the forefront whether some here don't wanna believe it...or don't see it

I still think we made the right move in giving Walter's a new deal and he stepped up, but do think the Osh time was up and we needed to move on...no coach stays in one place forever and 14 yrs in football is an eternity and ultra rare.

I still giving benefit of doubt...the season is hardly started and there are a lot of positives so far...but if we fall on our face again...miss play-offs and some of it can be directly related to a lot of the same ol same ol....and a a refusal all yr to utilize league wide rules that only we re-buff...time to snip snippity snip

Agreed that Walters and maybe O'Shea deserved to be given an extension, but I hope that they were also told that they were on short leashes after successive failed seasons due to the same reasons. Walters ought to have seen what most here have seen- blatant favouritism and poor roster management as well as O'Shea's choice of offensive coordinator last season. Hogan was painfully and very obviously inept and should not have even been allowed to finish out the season, but was kept out of loyalty(?) or stubbornness to admit a poor choice. From my point of view, the lack of good judgement filtered down into roster management, player retention and even choice of subordinate coaches. Lack of experience can be corrected but core personality features can not. Someone can be forced under threat to stop doing certain things that are a reflection of personality, but almost inevitably, they will revert.

45 minutes ago, Mike said:

This is Jason Hogan erasure and I will not stand for it

You never name he who must not be named.

34 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Agreed that Walters and maybe O'Shea deserved to be given an extension, but I hope that they were also told that they were on short leashes after successive failed seasons due to the same reasons. Walters ought to have seen what most here have seen- blatant favouritism and poor roster management as well as O'Shea's choice of offensive coordinator last season. Hogan was painfully and very obviously inept and should not have even been allowed to finish out the season, but was kept out of loyalty(?) or stubbornness to admit a poor choice. From my point of view, the lack of good judgement filtered down into roster management, player retention and even choice of subordinate coaches. Lack of experience can be corrected but core personality features can not. Someone can be forced under threat to stop doing certain things that are a reflection of personality, but almost inevitably, they will revert.

Osh should have replaced him after 6 games...or added a "gameday offensive quality control" guy who basically was doing the O.C job to save face he effed up and not hurt OC guys lil feelings...as this seems to be why we make decisions...based on not hurting feelings and ego