Bombers at TiCats early chat

[Booch]

3 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

Don't forget Jonanthon Jones as well. Thats what, 400k of SMS hanging out on the 1-game IR for most of the season.

He's our best all around LB and wont get played...

[blue85gold]

3 hours ago, Stickem said:

So what the hell has happened to our fa returner Logan...Why on earth did we sign the guy....for that matter why did we bring in Mitchell?? Just bull$hit moves ...There has to be some serious questions about offseason moves ....letting talent walk and bringing in duds...Where the hell is the accountability

Logan got hurt in camp and clearly hasn't recovered.  No problem in signing him, that's just bad luck. 

Mitchell came in slow and unprepared and hasn't looked like his old self at all. 

3 hours ago, Booch said:

He's our best all around LB and wont get played...

Really expected Kyrie to be hurt by now and we'd be seeing JJones. 

[Booch]

Just now, blue85gold said:

Logan got hurt in camp and clearly hasn't recovered.  No problem in signing him, that's just bad luck. 

Mitchell came in slow and unprepared and hasn't looked like his old self at all. 

Really expected Kyrie to be hurt by now and we'd be seeing JJones. 

Jones should be in the middle...Kyrie been last of issues on defence

[blue85gold]

41 minutes ago, Booch said:

Jones should be in the middle...Kyrie been last of issues on defence

Ya I'm not saying he's been bad but I just didn't expect him to stay healthy. 

[Goalie]

I’m not sure. Tony and Kyrie both have been solid. What makes J Jones better besides I mean, he’s a backup. I don’t think the LB crew has been the problem. Don’t see how he improves it honestly. Least of concerns there really. DL in general and CB are the problem areas on D. Safety also.  And if we looking at LB I’d be giving Shay and smith reps instead. And Woodbey and Ayers who are natural linebackers. Few guys ahead of mr jones it seems. 

Edited yesterday at 09:48 PM by Goalie

[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

I’m not sure. Tony and Kyrie both have been solid. What makes J Jones better besides I mean, he’s a backup. I don’t think the LB crew has been the problem. Don’t see how he improves it honestly. Least of concerns there really. DL in general and CB are the problem areas on D. Safety also.  And if we looking at LB I’d be giving Shay and smith reps instead. And Woodbey and Ayers who are natural linebackers. Few guys ahead of mr jones it seems. 

what sets him apart is 1, he’s the only lber worth a damn when it comes to pass rushing, and 2 he’s the only guy who can be a run stop mlb and can get back in pass cover. 

 We love to blitz lbers and none of them are effective not just in pass rush but even in eating a block. 

 Kyrie is capable in the run game if he’s not blocked. he can’t get off blocks or close gaps with linemen in them. jones would be the front runner for modp, if he was capable in pass D. he’s been in the area but just not getting deep enough because he has no coverage instincts or ability to read the qb/play. he’s great at scraping to the ball but that’s it. All he brings is the ability to run after ball carriers. thats good in the run game but not in coverage. And the cfl is a passing league. 

 

Lber is the least impactful position in the cfl, unless you have some monster like wynton. 

 Which is why soo many teams are flipping the ratio at lber. it makes so much more sense to start a canadian at lber especially if they are athletic outliers. 

The roster impact you might lose in starting smith/shay, vs what you could get back 4 fold with adams/woods or lofton/4th imp ol. 

And for my money, shay/smith platooning with J jones you gain a lot. because you won’t have to hide a lber. and you don’t have to dress an imp db to play wil. 

[Pete]

23 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

what sets him apart is 1, he’s the only lber worth a damn when it comes to pass rushing, and 2 he’s the only guy who can be a run stop mlb and can get back in pass cover. 

 We love to blitz lbers and none of them are effective not just in pass rush but even in eating a block. 

 Kyrie is capable in the run game if he’s not blocked. he can’t get off blocks or close gaps with linemen in them. jones would be the front runner for modp, if he was capable in pass D. he’s been in the area but just not getting deep enough because he has no coverage instincts or ability to read the qb/play. he’s great at scraping to the ball but that’s it. All he brings is the ability to run after ball carriers. thats good in the run game but not in coverage. And the cfl is a passing league. 

 

Lber is the least impactful position in the cfl, unless you have some monster like wynton. 

 Which is why soo many teams are flipping the ratio at lber. it makes so much more sense to start a canadian at lber especially if they are athletic outliers. 

The roster impact you might lose in starting smith/shay, vs what you could get back 4 fold with adams/woods or lofton/4th imp ol. 

And for my money, shay/smith platooning with J jones you gain a lot. because you won’t have to hide a lber. and you don’t have to dress an imp db to play wil. 

One of J Jones attributes id being able to lay hard hits, Wilson and Jones tackle just as well but dont punish the ball carrier

Something that we lack ,  against both Sask and Calgary they were much more physical

 

Edited 22 hours ago by Pete

[Booch]

Just cause osh is playing someone doesn't mean they better

@wbbfan hit it on head about J.Jones...but his fate was sealed when T.Jones was reupped to a 2 yr deal and Wilson was brought back

J.Jones is a legit multi tooled LB...and can also lay the lumber

He meets a ball carrier in hole...not after they bust through...and he was exceptional at dropping into zone...and his pass rushing is as good as prime Biggie...if you have the ability go watch his play on his 7 sack season

If anything he should be on instead of Ayers who we don't use effectively on defense...and he would also take a lot of reg reps on defense...he plays Mac and Wil....special teams...but hes backseat to incumbents 

We are wasting away the true impact of our top 2 picks this yr in Shay and Smith...bith more than capable of taking reps at will...and in role we had Griffin play...do people realize he is a 220 pound plus player...hes not a typical DB body

Shay and Smith could easily fill role he played before we wised up and put him at sam...as well as collateral contribute at wil....they both have more athleticism and upside than the Canadian sask plays at wil...and that's because going Canadian there...corner and safety allows them to dress pretty much all import...impact dlinemen...and it shows...we pale in comparison

[17to85]

So with Kyrie Wilson... I love him as a player. For years I called him the most underrated player in the league... but given his age and injury history he isn't the future... so why not work our Canadians who should be the future in there?

[Goalie]

Alright. 
 

Shay. J Jones. Griffin/smith. 

[wbbfan]

12 hours ago, 17to85 said:

So with Kyrie Wilson... I love him as a player. For years I called him the most underrated player in the league... but given his age and injury history he isn't the future... so why not work our Canadians who should be the future in there?

Yeah. He had a couple of stretches where he was the leagues MODP imo. But they never lasted, and always took time to get to. He's had 1 great and 1 good game this year. Arguably 2 great, but not a 3rd good game even. 

 He's basically late stages lamar mcgriggs now. Great guy, tough as nails, smart, can still flash great games, but can't consistently play at that level any more and is limited in use. 

We'd be soo much better off running NI Lber, or even going NI at both and all imp on the DL with lawson to rotate. If we could have Jjones and the imp DL plus lawson our D would improve drastically at every thing. 

[Booch]

14 hours ago, 17to85 said:

So with Kyrie Wilson... I love him as a player. For years I called him the most underrated player in the league... but given his age and injury history he isn't the future... so why not work our Canadians who should be the future in there?

It's a case when the team needs to know when, and who to move on from totally...and who is the best older option kept as depth

A guy like Kyrie....perfect DA as a LB....Behind young upstart depth...Especially a Canadian in his spot

He can play teams...and plays them well...can give you starter quality reps at Wil and Mac in game if injury occurs....and if Osh pulled his stubborn head out his arse would be ideal Naturalized Canadian and could come in for the Canadian who replaced him if they get hurt...etc

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

Yeah. He had a couple of stretches where he was the leagues MODP imo. But they never lasted, and always took time to get to. He's had 1 great and 1 good game this year. Arguably 2 great, but not a 3rd good game even. 

 He's basically late stages lamar mcgriggs now. Great guy, tough as nails, smart, can still flash great games, but can't consistently play at that level any more and is limited in use. 

We'd be soo much better off running NI Lber, or even going NI at both and all imp on the DL with lawson to rotate. If we could have Jjones and the imp DL plus lawson our D would improve drastically at every thing. 

yeah...you beat me to this comment about Cdn linebacker...We have the guys to do it...Makonzo if healthy as well has to be in that equation...

[Booch]

Cats signed our boy Myron Mitchell....did they have a guy go down?

 

[Pete]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

Yeah. He had a couple of stretches where he was the leagues MODP imo. But they never lasted, and always took time to get to. He's had 1 great and 1 good game this year. Arguably 2 great, but not a 3rd good game even. 

 He's basically late stages lamar mcgriggs now. Great guy, tough as nails, smart, can still flash great games, but can't consistently play at that level any more and is limited in use. 

We'd be soo much better off running NI Lber, or even going NI at both and all imp on the DL with lawson to rotate. If we could have Jjones and the imp DL plus lawson our D would improve drastically at every thing. 

Have you been watching the games, other than Jones Wilson  is our best runstopper and it isn't even close. He's consistently the first one to the ball carrier to hold them to limited yardage and can actually tackle. I agree we need to give Shay and particularly Smith reps maybe move griffin/kramdi to safety for those and have one of them come in for downs with 4 linebacker sets

Edited 6 hours ago by Pete

[Booch]

15 minutes ago, Pete said:

Have you been watching the games, other than Jones Wilson  is our best runstopper and it isn't even close. He's consistently the first one to the ball carrier to hold them to limited yardage and can actually tackle. I agree we need to give Shay and particularly Smith reps maybe move griffin/kramdi to safety for those and have one of them come in for downs with 4 linebacker sets

we a better defense with Griffin at SAM...he needs to stay there....Kramdi tho I think can grow nicely into a more than capable safety if we just stick with playing a traditional role there with him

Shay and Smith should be getting reps...even 2...3 a game at Wil and MAC respectively

 

[bearpants]

15 hours ago, 17to85 said:

So with Kyrie Wilson... I love him as a player. For years I called him the most underrated player in the league... but given his age and injury history he isn't the future... so why not work our Canadians who should be the future in there?

this is pretty much exactly what I said after we signed him back... the frustrating/confusing part is we decide to stick with Wilson at 32 years old after three injury reduced seasons... but move on from Woli at 30 years old with only 1 injury season

[JohnnyAbonny]

42 minutes ago, Booch said:

Cats signed our boy Myron Mitchell....did they have a guy go down?

 

They cut a guy from their PR, probably just a replacement 

[WinnipegGordo]

Bomber practice has started.

 

 

[Booch]

4 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

They cut a guy from their PR, probably just a replacement 

still good practice tho....guys arent legit....see ya....no need to hang on all yr

[Arnold_Palmer]

21 minutes ago, Booch said:

still good practice tho....guys arent legit....see ya....no need to hang on all yr

It’s Myron Mitchell. The guy is beyond useless and he got every opportunity in the world to show something. 

[blue85gold]

24 minutes ago, Booch said:

still good practice tho....guys arent legit....see ya....no need to hang on all yr

Yeah but Myron Mitchell? 

If the Bombers brought him back you be merciless in your assessment of that

[Booch]

1 minute ago, Arnold_Palmer said:

It’s Myron Mitchell. The guy is beyond useless and he got every opportunity in the world to show something. 

and if they discover that there too....I assume they dump him too

The fact they are ridding guys off the PR who show no potential/use  to bring in others to assess....is what I getting at....we dont.....or rarely do

[WinnipegGordo]

 

 

[Booch]

Just now, blue85gold said:

Yeah but Myron Mitchell? 

If the Bombers brought him back you be merciless in your assessment of that

didnt say he was good....but they are at least bringing guys in in lieu of other crap they carrying who they deemed not good enough.....good practice

And sometimes a player can look like hot garbage or not deemed good enough in one place, but thrive elsewhere\We a prime example of that here with Maston...Taylor....T,Jones....Hardrick...Collaros even....among others

And yea you are correct...I would be...We just did it with Korn and said as much

We break camp with a roster...and a PR and for most part thru the yr save for an injury...that's it

[WinnipegGordo]