Banjo Bowl Early Chat

[HardCoreBlue]

15 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Louder for those in the back...... SOMETIMES THE COACH NEEDS TO SAVE A PLAYER FROM THEMSELVES 

cough cough Jake Thomas cough cough

[MrFreakzilla]

18 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

cough cough Jake Thomas cough cough

Jake Thomas is not injured. 

[JuranBoldenRules]

People try to look at it binary, injured or not injured.  These injuries often never get close to 100%.  Everyone is playing with something, everyone has vulnerabilities related to previous injuries.  Cleared to play doesn't mean anything close to back where a player was pre injury.  And at a certain point sitting out another month doesn't guarantee that you're any less vulnerable....that's when they are cleared to play.

There's guys in every organization that get destroyed by lower body injuries, shoulders etc.  Mailk Henry went from a torn achilles to ruptured patella right when he came back.  Where's Kian Schaffer-Baker?  Comes back for a couple games and gets hurt again.  MBT was playing with no elbow for 4 weeks because Montreal has no other QB.  Davis Alexander is probably going to have to come back again before he's recovered from a soft tissue injury.

It's a very hard sport and in any sport athletes get into a cycle of injury once they start having serious ligament and tendon injuries at joints.  Do you just tell every person who tears their ACL to retire?

[HardCoreBlue]

24 minutes ago, MrFreakzilla said:

Jake Thomas is not injured. 

I know it’s saving himself from something else.

[Booch]

1 hour ago, TBURGESS said:

The 'It's on the player' narrative is wrong. It's on the medical staff. Player's want to play no matter what.

Exactly...regardless what a player says or wants...you have to thank him for his passion and desire..but put him...and key word "team" first

U can't rehab a torn acl...u need to surgically repair it...so this "he rehabbed it as best he could" so he could play is a heap of crap

Re-tearing a surgically repaired tendon basically last yr post surgery...should be an automatic back to surgery ASAP and fix it and start "actual" rehab

Why delay it...for sub par play...and then pooching the whole next season? 

[JuranBoldenRules]

4 minutes ago, Booch said:

Exactly...regardless what a player says or wants...you have to thank him for his passion and desire..but put him...and key word "team" first

U can't rehab a torn acl...u need to surgically repair it...so this "he rehabbed it as best he could" so he could play is a heap of crap

Re-tearing a surgically repaired tendon basically last yr post surgery...should be an automatic back to surgery ASAP and fix it and start "actual" rehab

Why delay it...for sub par play...and then pooching the whole next season? 

ACL is a ligament.  That's what the L is.

I'll just assume you're winning the Powerball based on how great you are at predicting the future.

Edited 14 hours ago by JuranBoldenRules

[Booch]

40 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

People try to look at it binary, injured or not injured.  These injuries often never get close to 100%.  Everyone is playing with something, everyone has vulnerabilities related to previous injuries.  Cleared to play doesn't mean anything close to back where a player was pre injury.  And at a certain point sitting out another month doesn't guarantee that you're any less vulnerable....that's when they are cleared to play.

There's guys in every organization that get destroyed by lower body injuries, shoulders etc.  Mailk Henry went from a torn achilles to ruptured patella right when he came back.  Where's Kian Schaffer-Baker?  Comes back for a couple games and gets hurt again.  MBT was playing with no elbow for 4 weeks because Montreal has no other QB.  Davis Alexander is probably going to have to come back again before he's recovered from a soft tissue injury.

It's a very hard sport and in any sport athletes get into a cycle of injury once they start having serious ligament and tendon injuries at joints.  Do you just tell every person who tears their ACL to retire?

No...get it fixed...and appropriate rehab...feom cgy game on...that didnt occur

There's a.diff between sprains and strains...bumps and bruises...broken bones...and tendons requiring season ending surgery

You can play thru...and rehab without surgery sprains and strains...breaks...etc...the latter...no

I played 2 seasons with a cast on hand...cause you can

Blew knee out 2x....surgery...rehab...slow integration back to part time...then full bore usage 

1 minute ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

ACL is a ligament.  That's what the L is.

Lig...tendon...both require surgery...and thanks for the tip but been thru what Strev has...and once just acl....also a patella issue once too...and was a kinesiology student...so have a decent idea of whats what...sorry for my typo Grammer police 😁

[JuranBoldenRules]

Just now, Booch said:

No...get it fixed...and appropriate rehab...feom cgy game on...that didnt occur

There's a.diff between sprains and strains...bumps and bruises...broken bones...and tendons requiring season ending surgery

You can play thru...and rehab without surgery sprains and strains...breaks...etc...the latter...no

I played 2 seasons with a cast on hand...cause you can

Blew knee out 2x....surgery...rehab...slow integration back to part time...then full bore usage 

So you're fixated on the extra week?  The option was to try to extend this season with bracing.  And has been done often.  Season is well past halfway point.  Tried it, didn't go well.  Lost a week.  No further behind.

I'm sure Wade Miller would accept your application for team doctor or head of athletic therapy.

[Booch]

Just now, JuranBoldenRules said:

So you're fixated on the extra week?  The option was to try to extend this season with bracing.  And has been done often.  Season is well past halfway point.  Tried it, didn't go well.  Lost a week.  No further behind.

I'm sure Wade Miller would accept your application for team doctor or head of athletic therapy.

There was no point in it...and usually too a braced attempt is more on lineman...not skilled position guys...and what good woukd a guy less than capable be?? And then surgery post sesson...and miss the whole next...if he has surgery after we exit season...and won't be late Nov...he won't be ready for 2026

I like how your take is supposed better than anyone else and everyone else's is wrong...have you played with an acl injury...before it...after it...and had surgery...and played again?...just curious...

Why didnt we brace him up last yr then...or Parker...or Bonds this yr...Biggie....cause its stupid 

We tried it after he retore a fresh repair cause we woefully weak and lacking talent and depth...and woefully inept at rostering ...that's not an excuse or reason for what we tried...it was desperation at its finest

6 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

So you're fixated on the extra week?  The option was to try to extend this season with bracing.  And has been done often.  Season is well past halfway point.  Tried it, didn't go well.  Lost a week.  No further behind.

I'm sure Wade Miller would accept your application for team doctor or head of athletic therapy.

Also...detail everytimes its been done here...seeing as its so often

[JuranBoldenRules]

8 minutes ago, Booch said:

There was no point in it...and usually too a braced attempt is more on lineman...not skilled position guys...and what good woukd a guy less than capable be?? And then surgery post sesson...and miss the whole next...if he has surgery after we exit season...and won't be late Nov...he won't be ready for 2026

I like how your take is supposed better than anyone else and everyone else's is wrong...have you played with an acl injury...before it...after it...and had surgery...and played again?...just curious...

Why didnt we brace him up last yr then...or Parker...or Bonds this yr...Biggie....cause its stupid 

We tried it after he retore a fresh repair cause we woefully weak and lacking talent and depth...and woefully inept at rostering ...that's not an excuse or reason for what we tried...it was desperation at its finest

Also...detail everytimes its been done here...seeing as its so often

Well most recent ACL example I'm acquainted with was Gavin Walls in 09 finishing that season braced then working back from surgery with Montreal.

One of my former athletes try to tough out a CFL career with constant ACL injuries with the Als.

Like you said more common on lines, but Rourke's brother played most of last season for Indiana on a torn ACL braced.  Obviously not possible in every case.  Need stability and ability for movement.

I luckily have not had knee issues, but near constant ankle and shoulder issues.

I'm not saying you're wrong.  You're attacking this situation with one point of view that everything the Bombers do is wrong.  Your bias makes everything you say basically meaningless at this point because you can't look at anything with any moderate logic.

[Booch]

2 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Well most recent ACL example I'm acquainted with was Gavin Walls in 09 finishing that season braced then working back from surgery with Montreal.

One of my former athletes try to tough out a CFL career with constant ACL injuries with the Als.

Like you said more common on lines, but Rourke's brother played most of last season for Indiana on a torn ACL braced.  Obviously not possible in every case.  Need stability and ability for movement.

I luckily have not had knee issues, but near constant ankle and shoulder issues.

I'm not saying you're wrong.  You're attacking this situation with one point of view that everything the Bombers do is wrong.  Your bias makes everything you say basically meaningless at this point because you can't look at anything with any moderate logic.

Lately tho...not far off

There was no reason for Schoen to try that tho..hes still young...wouldn't have made difference...and was just delaying the inevitable...surgery required

[Noeller]

12 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

 You're attacking this situation with one point of view that everything the Bombers do is wrong.  Your bias makes everything you say basically meaningless at this point because you can't look at anything with any moderate logic.

👍👍

[MrFreakzilla]

2 hours ago, HardCoreBlue said:

I know it’s saving himself from something else.

What's that? All I saw was effort and hustle. Especially late in the game.

[HardCoreBlue]

4 minutes ago, MrFreakzilla said:

What's that? All I saw was effort and hustle. Especially late in the game.

sure but his effort and hustle didn’t translate into much as usual. Sure gap sound as TH enjoyed multiple steamboats to do his thing. yes JT is not the only problem but bigger picture we do not offer any pressure with a 3 or 4 man rush and then when we blitz we get burnt. And yes our offense has to be better. And yes our top guys need to be better. And yes our coaches need to be better.

[HardCoreBlue]

1 hour ago, Booch said:

Your such a joke

I believe it’s you’re a joke not your a joke coming from me who makes multiple grammatical errors daily.

Love you @Booch please be gentle.

[Noeller]

Classic....

[Mark H.]

3 hours ago, HardCoreBlue said:

sure but his effort and hustle didn’t translate into much as usual. Sure gap sound as TH enjoyed multiple steamboats to do his thing. yes JT is not the only problem but bigger picture we do not offer any pressure with a 3 or 4 man rush and then when we blitz we get burnt. And yes our offense has to be better. And yes our top guys need to be better. And yes our coaches need to be better.

21 points given up last game. With multiple turnovers by the O, some in scoring range.

[Booch]

47 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

I believe it’s you’re a joke not your a joke coming from me who makes multiple grammatical errors daily.

Love you @Booch please be gentle.

Yeah...spell checked me...lol...no worries

 

36 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Classic....

Yeah...you are classic.....

 

[HardCoreBlue]

37 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

21 points given up last game. With multiple turnovers by the O, some in scoring range.

If you did a breakdown of every D player from game tape i’m wondering how JT would score out?

[17to85]

Well this is an interesting topic and I'm curious how people answer... who are our worst starters on O and D? Let's say bottom 3 starters on O and D... go...

[JohnnyAbonny]

40 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Well this is an interesting topic and I'm curious how people answer... who are our worst starters on O and D? Let's say bottom 3 starters on O and D... go...

O- Kolo and the 2 boundary side receivers. 

(HM Neufeld- love the guy but he’s just too far past it) 

Kolo plays half the game on his ass, and completely lost in the second level most of the time.
Granted our concepts might be kind of shitty but the boundary side guys just can’t figure out how to get open. Wheatfall is a poor man’s Chris Brazzell.
One good game then disappears for 3. 
Mitchell more of the same, except the invisibility starts after one good play. Corcoran’s worse when he starts. 

 None of them can figure out how to come back to the football on a scramble. 

D- Thomas, Vaval, Vaughters 

Thomas we’ve discussed forever.  

Vaughters makes maybe 1 play a game. Not consistent enough at all rushing the passer and terrible in the run game. 

Vaval is either getting burned or committing PI. He’s shown some really good flashes as a returner though. Great athlete, just not ready for prime time. 
 

I think just as much of an issue is who our 3 best are on O and D.
Besides Brady, our “top” guys are  extremely weak compared to the rest of the league. 

[Mark H.]

1 hour ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

I think just as much of an issue is who our 3 best are on O and D.

Besides Brady, our “top” guys are  extremely weak compared to the rest of the league. 

Disagree. Collaros is a good QB who's not getting what he needs from his supporting cast. Demski is not a weak receiver.