Winnipeg Blue Bombers @ Saskatchewan Roughriders GDT

[Mark H.]

22 minutes ago, Booch said:

real football starts in game 1.....those games we pissed away and did stupid stuff have more or less created a situation that even if we dont pretty much run the table we wont be getting first, and possibly not eve a home WSF game

This notion people like to yammer on about the season doesn't start until labor day is a pile of crap

 

Sure. But in the fall/winter, the running game becomes more important and the football is more physical.  All I'm saying is, I'd like to see them play the best players in the trenches.

And yeah, do that in summer too.

[Bigblue204]

36 minutes ago, Booch said:

His post snap awareness if not engaged right out of snap with a Nose or DT is shockingly bad...actually non-existence

I have never seen a center past H.S level be so lost, and coupled with that lack any real exceptional physical traits/techniques

Yet there he is...game in and game out...how/why we habnt done anything the last 2 yrs at minimum to upgrade there, or try pretty much anyone on our roster is baffling

But then again not surprising seeing how our coach leans on and thinks vets who been around this team a while, and ones he apparently has a bias/like for is the way to go until they either walk away, or get hurt so bad they cant play...cause we have also seen he will play a knicked up favorite and even an almost physically unable to do the job favorite over a new guy...hence the situ we have slowly degraded into

The amount of times I think to myself....Get on a body!! with him is crazy. Just block someone...anyone. I get that you'll be left on an island occasionally. But there's no way it happens as often as it appears to. Like he just doesn't hit anyone way too often. I don't know a lot about OL play at that level. But I do know they should be engaged every play.

32 minutes ago, Booch said:

real football starts in game 1.....those games we pissed away and did stupid stuff have more or less created a situation that even if we dont pretty much run the table we wont be getting first, and possibly not eve a home WSF game

This notion people like to yammer on about the season doesn't start until labor day is a pile of crap

If anything getting the jump on teams early, and creating space is the better course of action, then you don't have to rely on 6 to 8 game win streak to cement your spot...especially when later in the yr injuries pile up and a good portion of your roster isnt healthy anymore, but you are forced to play them anyway basically ensuring you have a whack of walking wounded when it matters most in playoffs...and we have first hand experience last 3 cups on how that's effected us....we had some who were not even walking basically

 

It's a saying for a reason. TSN particularly loves to crown champions in July. Way more often it's the teams that get hot in OCT that end up lifting the cup. Our 2021 year was the exception not the rule. It's not often teams will dominate start to finish throughout an entire season.

I get what you're saying though. Losing any game hurts eventually. You're digging yourself a hole. But adversity builds character yadda yadda yadda....all that stuff

[TBURGESS]

2 hours ago, voodoochylde said:

It's no coincidence that our offense looked best at the start of the year with:  Bryant - Vanterpool - Kolankowski - Neufeld - Randolph. against BC.

FIFY

[wbbfan]

18 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

FIFY

Nailed it. Also the one game against mtl. last time brady had 20 (or more than 18 even) or more caries in a game was week 18 of last year. 2 100 yard or more rushing games this year for us, and 1 game with 18 or more carries. He needs to have a couple really big games to have a chance to break 1k this year. 

[Mark H.]

2019 is a prime example of getting hot at the right time. Even other players (BLM) were picking them to win it all. 

[BRT]

On 2025-09-03 at 7:40 AM, Mark H. said:

Sure. But in the fall/winter, the running game becomes more important and the football is more physical.  All I'm saying is, I'd like to see them play the best players in the trenches.

And yeah, do that in summer too.

I tend to agree with most of the comments posted here. IMHO and only my opinion this is the weakest talent the Bombers have put on the field in a number of years. Our OL and DL are sub standard - old and some well past their best before dates. I believe our offensive coordinator is subpar and at times I really question management decisions. We have a number of players that should have been let go some time ago and yet still manage to get a starting slot. Not going to name names but it is very obvious.  

We just do not have the talent to come out on top against the Riders or Stamps at least IMHO.

[Goalie]

I think we do have the talent but we gotta play mistake free to beat the Calgary and Sasks. Or we need to score touchdowns when we get the ball at our opponents 5 yard line cuz a TD wins last week instead of a fg. Riders would likely come down and kick a fg to win but still. Game was there. Same with 1 Calgary game. Came down to us letting Calgary kick an easy fg for the W. 

Edited Saturday at 05:01 PM by Goalie

[GCn20]

On 2025-09-06 at 12:00 PM, Goalie said:

I think we do have the talent but we gotta play mistake free to beat the Calgary and Sasks. Or we need to score touchdowns when we get the ball at our opponents 5 yard line cuz a TD wins last week instead of a fg. Riders would likely come down and kick a fg to win but still. Game was there. Same with 1 Calgary game. Came down to us letting Calgary kick an easy fg for the W. 

We don't have the talent. Mistake free football is a pipe dream. Championship teams have the horses to overcome their mistakes.

[17to85]

On 2025-09-06 at 11:00 AM, Goalie said:

I think we do have the talent but we gotta play mistake free to beat the Calgary and Sasks. 

Didn't need mistake free football.... need to make less mistakes and stop continually making them... like last game if Sergio makes his fgs or collaros doesn't give away free points trying to force passes downfield bombers.could have won. 

This team is just not taking the issues they have seriously enough at this point.

[GCn20]

8 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Didn't need mistake free football.... need to make less mistakes and stop continually making them... like last game if Sergio makes his fgs or collaros doesn't give away free points trying to force passes downfield bombers.could have won. 

This team is just not taking the issues they have seriously enough at this point.

A LOT less mistakes. You are right, doesn't have to be mistake free but we are committing turnovers and taking penalties like the 2022 RoughRiders.

9 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Didn't need mistake free football.... need to make less mistakes and stop continually making them... like last game if Sergio makes his fgs or collaros doesn't give away free points trying to force passes downfield bombers.could have won. 

This team is just not taking the issues they have seriously enough at this point.

The issues they have are in a big part because of a lack of talent. 

[Booch]

8 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Didn't need mistake free football.... need to make less mistakes and stop continually making them... like last game if Sergio makes his fgs or collaros doesn't give away free points trying to force passes downfield bombers.could have won. 

This team is just not taking the issues they have seriously enough at this point.

coaching....mistake free coaching....or at least competent

That would fix a lot

We also have been basically out coached in last 3 Grey Cups too...be it in game decisions...schemes...adjustments...inferior roster...penchant to play injured guys....this isnt a thing that came out of nowhere this yr...its been simmering and sauteing for yrs 

[GCn20]

8 minutes ago, Booch said:

coaching....mistake free coaching....or at least competent

That would fix a lot

We also have been basically out coached in last 3 Grey Cups too...be it in game decisions...schemes...adjustments...inferior roster...penchant to play injured guys....this isnt a thing that came out of nowhere this yr...its been simmering and sauteing for yrs 

Coaching to some degree is to blame, but players taking stupid penalties, losing the ball, you gotta hang a big part of it on the players too. It's easy to say that let's replace Jake Thomas with Woods, and then replace Vaval with Houston and we will win.....but that's not reality. Our problems go much deeper than coaching, and roster usage. We don't have the horses this year. No roster usage, or amount of coaching is going to get us over that hump. We could have a couple more wins this season if we clean up mistakes that players made though. I'm sorry but Cam Allen whiffing on every tackle he attempts is not on coaching, our secondary being unable to cover man is not on coaching, our hogs on the OL getting schooled by every DL is not on the coaching .....or at least primarily. At what point do we stop talking around here like we have a championship calibre club that is being misused. We are talent defiicient. Coaching can help cover that up, but it will always result in a poor record. When half your starters wouldn't start on more than a couple teams besides us that is talent deficiency.

We have too many gaping holes in our lineup where we are starting guys that are not performing well but are performing about as well as one would expect.

Edited 5 hours ago by GCn20

[17to85]

8 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Our problems go much deeper than coaching, and roster usage. We don't have the horses this year

This is a crap take. If Osh really felt like he didn't have the horses he would be shuffling bodies in and out to find those horses and he can absolutely goto his GM and say "I need this.kind of player for this position". 

The fact that it's not happening and he sticks with the same old approach tells me everything you need to know. The #1 problem on this team is complacency.  Complacency in the way they build the roster, complacency in the way they approach preparation for the game and complacency in games. It's coaching #1. Osh has lost his edge. 

[GCn20]

1 minute ago, 17to85 said:

This is a crap take. If Osh really felt like he didn't have the horses he would be shuffling bodies in and out to find those horses and he can absolutely goto his GM and say "I need this.kind of player for this position". 

The fact that it's not happening and he sticks with the same old approach tells me everything you need to know. The #1 problem on this team is complacency.  Complacency in the way they build the roster, complacency in the way they approach preparation for the game and complacency in games. It's coaching #1. Osh has lost his edge. 

Your take of my take is a crap take. You are delusional if you think we have the talent to win here. GMs do the signing of players not coaches. You are so hell bent on blaming MOS for our crappy roster that you have lost all objectivity. You have MOS tunnel vision and he is to blame for everything. That is not the reality,

[Booch]

Just now, 17to85 said:

This is a crap take. If Osh really felt like he didn't have the horses he would be shuffling bodies in and out to find those horses and he can absolutely goto his GM and say "I need this.kind of player for this position". 

The fact that it's not happening and he sticks with the same old approach tells me everything you need to know. The #1 problem on this team is complacency.  Complacency in the way they build the roster, complacency in the way they approach preparation for the game and complacency in games. It's coaching #1. Osh has lost his edge. 

yeah...have to agree....and the fact he wont even try say Person as main end...and rotate Wj and Vaughters more....Wont use J.Jones in starting lineup...Woods.....Bailey....Try someone else...anyone else at center....Dropping Corcoran ...Not insisting on a CDN inferior DT for majority of reps...just show's it more coaching, and less horses...cause we have some horses in  the stable who get no chance to show anything. So in all honesty we have no clue if we are sorely lacking in talent when the HC continues to just stay the course...be satisfied with the crap we see, and adjust nothing really with roster other than when injury dictaes

And if he did do this, and these guys as well are no better...or god forbid worse....get rid of them and find some new candidates...and then rinse and repeat till we do

That's also on the G.M too as mentioned...remove some the crap from the equation and give the HC no choice but to put someone else there....

3 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Your take of my take is a crap take. You are delusional if you think we have the talent to win here. GMs do the signing of players not coaches. You are so hell bent on blaming MOS for our crappy roster that you have lost all objectivity. You have MOS tunnel vision and he is to blame for everything. That is not the reality,

well some guys have not seen the field...so we really dont know...so they should now, and if they not good...shouldnt be kept

[17to85]

13 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Your take of my take is a crap take. You are delusional if you think we have the talent to win here. GMs do the signing of players not coaches. You are so hell bent on blaming MOS for our crappy roster that you have lost all objectivity. You have MOS tunnel vision and he is to blame for everything. That is not the reality,

And you think the coach is blameless on who is on the roster. If he doesn't like what he's given from his GM he's got lots of options to change that. He doesn't take them and he is the one who is married to certain players being on the field.

[Blue28]

2 hours ago, Booch said:

That's also on the G.M too as mentioned...remove some the crap from the equation and give the HC no choice but to put someone else there....

Walters is in a tough spot - the Head Coach gets to pick his horses - Walters needs to NOT re-sign some people next year.

[Booch]

8 minutes ago, Blue28 said:

Walters is in a tough spot - the Head Coach gets to pick his horses - Walters needs to NOT re-sign some people next year.

yeah....and as we dont know the true dynamics involved the HC may have way too much say too...who knows but something definitely is lacking in cohesion and communication

[the watcher]

2 hours ago, Booch said:

coaching....mistake free coaching....or at least competent

That would fix a lot

We also have been basically out coached in last 3 Grey Cups too...be it in game decisions...schemes...adjustments...inferior roster...penchant to play injured guys....this isnt a thing that came out of nowhere this yr...its been simmering and sauteing for yrs 

I think Osh's greatest strength in the past was his loyalty,  trust, and belief in his players. It works great when you have a ton of very talented players.

Now , when our talent is somewhat depleted,  it has been his greatest weakness.  Last year's Cup game was a real eye opener for me. If you can't let  your backup take over  when it's blatantly obvious your starter can't throw then you should have been looking for a competant #2.way, way earlier. 

Edited 3 hours ago by the watcher

[17to85]

1 minute ago, the watcher said:

Now , when our talent is somewhat depleted,  it has bece his greatest weakness. 

It's more so that the guys he put that trusted are past their prime and can't be the guys he needs them to be anymore.

[GCn20]

2 hours ago, Booch said:

yeah...have to agree....and the fact he wont even try say Person as main end...and rotate Wj and Vaughters more....Wont use J.Jones in starting lineup...Woods.....Bailey....Try someone else...anyone else at center....Dropping Corcoran ...Not insisting on a CDN inferior DT for majority of reps...just show's it more coaching, and less horses...cause we have some horses in  the stable who get no chance to show anything. So in all honesty we have no clue if we are sorely lacking in talent when the HC continues to just stay the course...be satisfied with the crap we see, and adjust nothing really with roster other than when injury dictaes

And if he did do this, and these guys as well are no better...or god forbid worse....get rid of them and find some new candidates...and then rinse and repeat till we do

That's also on the G.M too as mentioned...remove some the crap from the equation and give the HC no choice but to put someone else there....

well some guys have not seen the field...so we really dont know...so they should now, and if they not good...shouldnt be kept

You think we have a bunch of high level CFL starters sitting on our benches? I don't. You think Person, J.Jones, Woods, Bailey elevate us to a serious contender? They are all ham and eggers. I mean seriously, is this the crux of the debate? Is this who people are clamoring for? I'm not saying any and all of them don't necessarily represent an upgrade here or there but if so it would be very little of one and certainly not enough to win us the games we are losing. No one is defending MOS's coaching but I think there are a crap load of people here leaving the true cause of our problems out of their crosshairs. When it comes to our front office/coaching this fiasco of a season is 80% Walters fault and 20% MOS and crew. Anyone saying that MOS can't win if you give him the horses hasn't been watching our last 7 seasons. We simply are outclassed in the talent department. MOS is making some crap choices too, but he doesn't exactly have a boat load of reasonable options either.

Edited 2 hours ago by GCn20

[Goalie]

5 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

You think we have a bunch of high level CFL starters sitting on our benches? I don't.

I agree with this. We don’t indeed. 

[the watcher]

22 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

It's more so that the guys he put that trusted are past their prime and can't be the guys he needs them to be anymore.

Agreed, everyone's ability slides eventually.  That's a good coaches job to

 recognize that.  It gets into the " you're the head coach ,not their buddy " thing.

[GCn20]

32 minutes ago, the watcher said:

I think Osh's greatest strength in the past was his loyalty,  trust, and belief in his players. It works great when you have a ton of very talented players.

Now , when our talent is somewhat depleted,  it has been his greatest weakness.  Last year's Cup game was a real eye opener for me. If you can't let  your backup take over  when it's blatantly obvious your starter can't throw then you should have been looking for a competant #2.way, way earlier. 

Osh trust and loyalty would constitute no problem for us with proper GMing. That is undeniable because the proof is out there historically. I get that people are angry now that our talent is crap that MOS is using the same tactics and hasn't adjusted to the circumstances, and that is fair criticism. However, at the end of the day when provided the talent MOS has clearly demonstrated that he can coach a team to both win GCs and to be perennial favorites/finalists. There is no arguing that fact because it is entrenched in history. Could he have done better along the way...maybe. However, he brought us an unprecedented run of success with his style so again I ask what is truly the majority of the problem...talent or coaching? I think that it is very clear we do not have the talent....and yes what we do have is being further hampered by poor coaching decisions and coordination.

I am fully in favor of firing our coaching crew if we don't make the playoffs. However, it had better come after a Walters firing or else we will just get more crap GMing. I would LOVE to see Walters replaced by Rigmaiden this offseason. 

Edited 2 hours ago by GCn20

[17to85]

25 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

You think we have a bunch of high level CFL starters sitting on our benches? I don't. You think Person, J.Jones, Woods, Bailey elevate us to a serious contender? They are all ham and eggers. I mean seriously, is this the crux of the debate? Is this who people are clamoring for? I'm not saying any and all of them don't necessarily represent an upgrade here or there but if so it would be very little of one and certainly not enough to win us the games we are losing. No one is defending MOS's coaching but I think there are a crap load of people here leaving the true cause of our problems out of their crosshairs. When it comes to our front office/coaching this fiasco of a season is 80% Walters fault and 20% MOS and crew. Anyone saying that MOS can't win if you give him the horses hasn't been watching our last 7 seasons. We simply are outclassed in the talent department. MOS is making some crap choices too, but he doesn't exactly have a boat load of reasonable options either.

A few little upgrades = bigger overall upgrade... seriously the margins in the cfl between winning and losing are generally pretty small.

And, if you try your depth for underperforming players and they don't work out then you move on from them too and find better depth. You don't just shrug and go "oh well, it is what it is for the season"