GDT - Bombers vs Stampers

[Fatty Liver]

1 hour ago, ShyGuy said:

The reason I made it as a "rumour" is that there was a followup posted on 3DownNation with some quotes from front office staff

https://3downnation.com/2025/03/27/cfl-salary-cap-increase-not-set-in-stone-cflpa-still-working-through-revenue-share-allocation/
 

The Bombers are obviously using that extra money to sustain their 1 game IR,  4 or 5 healthy players are being paid not to play.   I have no problem with this as a tool to expand the roster and hang onto players they would be in danger of losing if they sent to the PR.  Regret they didn't offer Reggie White the same deal.

[Blue In BC]

16 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

The Bombers are obviously using that extra money to sustain their 1 game IR,  4 or 5 healthy players are being paid not to play.   I have no problem with this as a tool to expand the roster and hang onto players they would be in danger of losing if they sent to the PR.  Regret they didn't offer Reggie White the same deal.

I don't get the revenue sharing as a direct line to an SMS increase. When a company earns a profit there may be some bonus program for that year. It doesn't carry forward forever.  Either way I would have thought the CFLPA would have had some sort of specific plan to create the concept of revenue sharing.

As far as the Bombers using an increased SMS on the 1 game IR: Yes and no. Look at other teams 1 game IR and ours is very small in comparison. The complaint is that Mitchell and J. Jones were two expensive free agency acquisitions and can't make the AR.

[MrFreakzilla]

18 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

The Bombers are obviously using that extra money to sustain their 1 game IR,  4 or 5 healthy players are being paid not to play.   I have no problem with this as a tool to expand the roster and hang onto players they would be in danger of losing if they sent to the PR.  Regret they didn't offer Reggie White the same deal.

Reggie White accepted a practice roster spot on one condition, that he be released after a week if he was still on it. One week passed and then he was gone 

That means he wasn't willing to sit around and wait for an opportunity that may have never presented itself.

[JuranBoldenRules]

7 minutes ago, Blue In BC said:

I don't get the revenue sharing as a direct line to an SMS increase. When a company earns a profit there may be some bonus program for that year. It doesn't carry forward forever.  Either way I would have thought the CFLPA would have had some sort of specific plan to create the concept of revenue sharing.

As far as the Bombers using an increased SMS on the 1 game IR: Yes and no. Look at other teams 1 game IR and ours is very small in comparison. The complaint is that Mitchell and J. Jones were two expensive free agency acquisitions and can't make the AR.

I look at it basically like the escrow deal the big 4 leagues have with revenue sharing.  The payout is that money back based on league revenue in 2024.  But like you said there's no guarantee that continues in 2025 so it's not really a linear "money added to league salaries" for 2025.

It's bizarre that the CBA has no structure for how it's distributed. 

[Fatty Liver]

14 minutes ago, MrFreakzilla said:

Reggie White accepted a practice roster spot on one condition, that he be released after a week if he was still on it. One week passed and then he was gone 

That means he wasn't willing to sit around and wait for an opportunity that may have never presented itself.

I think the reason White gave for leaving is he needed to feed his family, if he was paid not to play, problem solved.  Decent chance he may have played in place of Case last game.

[Mark H.]

3 hours ago, Booch said:

Rode a stacked in prime roster...and yes some luck...minimal real coaching...lack of player development...zero forward thinking and planning/transitioning unless forced by injury...defection...and a lot of real dumb decisions....with a stubborn HC with bias'...lack of knowing whats going on apparently and a hancuffing Canadian bias to players...and rules...and allowed too much control by g.m and Prez...what did u all expect...I been incessantly raising alarm bells for 2...3 yrs...and was ridiculed for it...I seen this before...played thru it...and yes I do get a lot of privileged inside info....don't always believe media soundbites...and especially whatever comes outta Osh smughole

I need to remind that there was a time when you also opined that things were good, and expounded at length on how O'Shea's culture attracts players. 

It was not just media sound bites, there was a time when players legit wanted to play in Winnipeg.

[bigg jay]

3 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

I need to remind that there was a time when you also opined that things were good, and expounded at length on how O'Shea's culture attracts players. 

It was not just media sound bites, there was a time when players legit wanted to play in Winnipeg.

But now you have guys, like Strevy who has FIFO tattooed on his body, that have to be convinced things will be better in order to come back.

[Mark H.]

Just now, bigg jay said:

But now you have guys, like Strevy who has FIFO tattooed on his body, that have to be convinced things will be better in order to come back.

And I agree with that.  But 2019-2021 was far more than luck.

[17to85]

So what happened was you had a great team that was super tight and guys took a haircut to stay together... then some guys wanted to get paid so your depth took a hit but it was OK the vets were still good. What's happened now is the depth hasn't been given a chance to play and the coach won't change things up "because it's worked for 5 years "

Sadly it seems like we're going to have to have a long losing streak for them to realize it doesn't work anymore.

[JuranBoldenRules]

4 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

I need to remind that there was a time when you also opined that things were good, and expounded at length on how O'Shea's culture attracts players. 

It was not just media sound bites, there was a time when players legit wanted to play in Winnipeg.

Lawler left twice for kind of ridiculous money.  Yeah would have paid it this time since we're hosting the Grey Cup.  But also a guy who is hot and cold on effort.  Like a couple stupid plays in the last Grey Cup he made were big ones in shutting down what should have been scoring drives.

Brown left to be starting QB in Ottawa.  Think if he had the opportunity and similar money here, he stays.  

Ford got an insane deal from Edmonton.  Sayles got a big deal in Hamilton.

Most of the other free agents who left here basically weren't offered anything from Winnipeg.  Like Garbutt's.  

Kind of striking out on guys they wanted who left or spurned them.  I don't think there's an issue of players not wanting to be here.

The issue is more on who they see as the core players IMO.  They haven't really replaced the core group from 18-21.

Guys like Jefferson, Neufeld, Nichols, Schoen aren't necessarily building blocks like Harris, Jeffcoat, Bighill, Hardrick, Adams, Alexander, Mike Miller the player were in setting that .  And they are still running the team like the players can completely self-regulate and don't need more of that leadership from the coaching staff.  It's a much different group.

[HardCoreBlue]

2 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

I don't think Terry Wilson is the guy to develop.  Even NCAA he's got like a 6 yard average for pass depth.  He hasn't shown any different up here.  He's point guard style spread QB.  No ability to hit windows and go vertical.  Maybe you develop quick game for him but he doesn't get it out quick yet, hasn't developed that yet at this level anyways.  So far what we've seen is "hold it, hold it, check it down."  I'm not really sure why he's still here other than he's still on the rookie deal vs a guy like Patterson or Dolegala.

The development guy here as a passer is Artopoeus.  But he's a first year pro.

I really don’t like this post sans your last sentence.

Depressing if your right.

[Booch]

26 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

I need to remind that there was a time when you also opined that things were good, and expounded at length on how O'Shea's culture attracts players. 

It was not just media sound bites, there was a time when players legit wanted to play in Winnipeg.

I've never said that actually...I said tge culture started from Miller on down tho...Miller had a vision of what he wanted...osh sold him on being guy to carry it out...I also said the "culture" wasn't a new idea Osh brought outta nowhere...its how good teams operate...so you musta mistook me for someone else...

If anything i took a lot of grief from the osh loyalists here for my claims it's not all "Osh" for our success and how things are done...and have gone on record saying some have left specifically on how osh operates 

 

25 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

But now you have guys, like Strevy who has FIFO tattooed on his body, that have to be convinced things will be better in order to come back.

And a couple others early were influenced by teammates to stay when they intended to leave...one of whom was Woli at one point...and i know that as a fact

[rebusrankin]

Rigmaiden left in 2021. Was it his work from 2018-2020 that put us over the top and now we're seeing the result of a slow decline?

[Booch]

23 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

So what happened was you had a great team that was super tight and guys took a haircut to stay together... then some guys wanted to get paid so your depth took a hit but it was OK the vets were still good. What's happened now is the depth hasn't been given a chance to play and the coach won't change things up "because it's worked for 5 years "

Sadly it seems like we're going to have to have a long losing streak for them to realize it doesn't work anymore.

Hasn't really worked for 5...2 maybe...the last 3...not so much

If not for the wind fluke in mtl...and Maces crappy coaching in west final there would be no 5 cup appearances

Also the 2021 win we escaped...if not for the brain cramp to give up that single ....Hamilton wins with a fg with no time left

[Mark H.]

36 minutes ago, Booch said:

I've never said that actually...I said tge culture started from Miller on down tho...Miller had a vision of what he wanted...osh sold him on being guy to carry it out...I also said the "culture" wasn't a new idea Osh brought outta nowhere...its how good teams operate...so you musta mistook me for someone else...

If anything i took a lot of grief from the osh loyalists here for my claims it's not all "Osh" for our success and how things are done...and have gone on record saying some have left specifically on how osh operates 

Post 2019, it was nothing but loyalists. No alarms were being raised yet, no grief was being handed out.

[SpeedFlex27]

4 hours ago, ShyGuy said:

The reason I made it as a "rumour" is that there was a followup posted on 3DownNation with some quotes from front office staff

https://3downnation.com/2025/03/27/cfl-salary-cap-increase-not-set-in-stone-cflpa-still-working-through-revenue-share-allocation/

 

And I don't think invoking Stegall is the counter argument you think it is? HaYour argument still makes no sense becaving the greatest WR in league history on the roster and making it to the Grey Cup twice sucks. Him having a pupuplatter of QBs to throw to him is obviously roster mismanagement. What is the point of having Kenny Lawler on the team when you have 2 QBs where the starter was 5/16 on passes >20 Depth yards going into Week 7, and the backup has an average depth of target of 8.5 yards, Lawler is leading the league in 20+ depth targets at 16. On the Bombers this year you'd have him blowing the top off the coverage and no one to actually have the ball make it to him. His average DOT last year (16.6) actually isn't that far off from this year (17.8)... but he already almost has as many 20+ targets (16 vs 21) and more receptions (9 vs 10). 

If you want a team with exciting players, Lawler on the Bombers is a great fit. If you want a team that is going to be competitive you can better use that money somewhere else. But the only reason we are wasting so much time discussing this, is that Lawler is having Bo toss him the ball, which is a match made in heaven for him, and the Bombers essentially used the money they would have given Lawler on J Jones and D Mitchell... both of which the Bombers refuse to put onto the active roster. 

There was no CFL directive telling teams not to use the new salary cap amount. Why would the CFL announce an increase only to draw it back? Do you know just how bush league that would be?? And if they did, how would this affect the teams who may or may not have applied the increase to their spending? Suddenly you have 9 teams all spending money to different levels. Some to the cap limit, others less & others to the floor. How would you police the teams that went over the old salary cap amount of $5.6 million? Would you claw back the money & take away draft picks? Likely not so the risk (even if there was one) would probably be minimal but then again, there'd be no point having a salary cap if each team spent differently. 

It's also been 6 months since the increase was announced. Nothing happened to the cap so the story that money may be moved into pensions away from the salary cap was false. 

As far as your argument goes that not spending on Lawler means we could spend the money elsewhere. Looking at that roster & the holes we now have everywhere, just where did we spend it? Yep, letting Lawler go sure strengthened our roster immensely. 

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

So what happened was you had a great team that was super tight and guys took a haircut to stay together... then some guys wanted to get paid so your depth took a hit but it was OK the vets were still good. What's happened now is the depth hasn't been given a chance to play and the coach won't change things up "because it's worked for 5 years "

Sadly it seems like we're going to have to have a long losing streak for them to realize it doesn't work anymore.

That's what happened to the Stampeders. Next Man Up is a great mantra until there isn't anyone to step up anymore as the cupboards are bare. Then, you have to restock. 

Edited 3 hours ago by SpeedFlex27

[SpeedFlex27]

3 hours ago, Goalie said:

Is Schiltz available cuz I’m trying to think of guys with some cfl experience and I’m drawing blanks here. Wonder if Hamilton would trade us Powell as they also have Tuas brother they like. He’s probably the only option really. Ottawa needs a reset. They should trade us Dru Brown for Collaros Peterson and Jake Thomas. 

Taulia was released, I believe. Why would the Ti Cats trade us Powell? I'd have been happy if we kept Dolegala but he's tainted because he's a former Riders & posters here like no one who was a former Rider. With Collaros out, we're a mess at qb which means we're a mess as a team judging by that roster. As far as Artoepus goes, I remember a qb named John Schneider.... 

[MrFreakzilla]

15 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

I'd have been happy if we kept Dolegala but he's tainted because he's a former Riders & posters here like no one who was a former Rider. 

Demski, Collaros, Jefferson, Neufeld, Lofton and Sterns are all former Riders, nobody objects to them. 

[ShyGuy]

40 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Do you know just how bush league that would be??

Would it be more or less bush league than announcing a 7% rise to the cap 4 days after free agency opens?!?

[Tracker]

2 hours ago, MrFreakzilla said:

Reggie White accepted a practice roster spot on one condition, that he be released after a week if he was still on it. One week passed and then he was gone 

That means he wasn't willing to sit around and wait for an opportunity that may have never presented itself.

Given O'Shea's M.O., he was smart to ask to be released.

[Mark H.]

43 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Given O'Shea's M.O., he was smart to ask to be released.

Speaks volumes.

[Fatty Liver]

3 hours ago, bigg jay said:

But now you have guys, like Strevy who has FIFO tattooed on his body, that have to be convinced things will be better in order to come back.

Strev. has nothing to complain about, he's getting the same opportunity to play that Dru Brown had in 2023, it's up to him to show every GM in the CFL what he can do with the opportunity provided.  He may top out his career as the Dustin Crum of the West.

 

 

[SpeedFlex27]

1 hour ago, ShyGuy said:

Would it be more or less bush league than announcing a 7% rise to the cap 4 days after free agency opens?!?

No, rolling it back would be worse. 

10 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Strev. has nothing to complain about, he's getting the same opportunity to play that Dru Brown had in 2023, it's up to him to show every GM in the CFL what he can do with the opportunity provided.  He may top out his career as the Dustin Crum of the West.

 

 

Bottom line, a player has to show he belongs by playing well. With Osh, if his faves don't play well, they still start & play.

2 hours ago, MrFreakzilla said:

Demski, Collaros, Jefferson, Neufeld, Lofton and Sterns are all former Riders, nobody objects to them. 

Nah, some posters here hated Dolegala on the roster last year. 

[wbbfan]

2 hours ago, MrFreakzilla said:

Demski, Collaros, Jefferson, Neufeld, Lofton and Sterns are all former Riders, nobody objects to them. 

I mean sterns is only hidden from judgement because we got worse. I like the way the guy plays football but I don’t see a future for him as a 3rd wr. 

 

21 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Strev. has nothing to complain about, he's getting the same opportunity to play that Dru Brown had in 2023, it's up to him to show every GM in the CFL what he can do with the opportunity provided.  He may top out his career as the Dustin Crum of the West.

 

 

except our wr core and ol are drastically worse. Strev came into a bad position last game and did well in game 1. 
 

2 hours ago, Tracker said:

Given O'Shea's M.O., he was smart to ask to be released.

I mean he isn’t getting any pay, and probably would be in the line up now. He could’ve left for another team from the pr too.  
 He shouldn’t have been camped on the pr after his camp and pre season, but money and opportunity is more than sitting as a fa hoping some one calls. 

[Fatty Liver]

14 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

No, rolling it back would be worse. 

Bottom line, a player has to show he belongs by playing well. With Osh, if his faves don't play well, they still start & play.

Nah, some posters here hated Dolegala on the roster last year. 

That's mostly because he was ungainly.