Stamps at Bombers early chat

[GCn20]

13 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Why don't you? You seem to know more than me. I don't lie or make things up. I have no reason to. Maybe I'll get info wrong sometimes but I'm no liar. 

Never said you were a liar, I said you are making some big assumptions.

59 minutes ago, Booch said:

he did take coverage away from others tho to allow then to thrive,,,so that has to factor in as well.....and he made a lot of huge key catches that were part of our success too....would love to see what he could have done over a full 18 games and I think that was well worth the cost of signing

We also could have fit him in the SMS as well if we wanted, multiple ways to have done it and him being here makes us a better team and he is the type of guy who ZC needs as he will more times than not pull in those poor passes that are more common now

Banking on a receiver coming off ACL reconstruction....In the first yr back was poor judgement and foresight anyway you slice it

I have no problem with us re-signing Schoen to the money we gave him, but I really think we erred letting Kenny walk. Should have trimmed somewhere else and given him his money to stay.

[blue85gold]

https://static.cfl.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/CALGARY-at-WINNIPEG_JULY-18.pdf

Depth chart up

Schoen, Bryant out. 

Case and Person on.

Excited to see what Person can bring finally. 

[wbbfan]

9 hours ago, Mark H. said:

This, to me, is the bigger concern. I am fine with them not being active players in free agency. I am not fine with bringing in talented new recruits who don't play. 

Yep, doesn’t have to be free agency. But you gotta find em some where. Toronto has been extremely shrewd in fa, but they have been hitting multiple stars in trades. 
 Yeah that’s the worst. 
 

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

So how hum overall numbers and inability to be consistent... and everyone is acting like we're fools for not giving the guy a HUGE payday. I like Lawler and agree that he can have a monster game but at that kinda price tag I expect more than what he gave us. Offense still was a hot mess last year. I'm telling you,  you want a good offense in the cfl get a good qb and our qb is problem #1 right now.

those are not ho hum over all numbers lol. That’s one game over a full season start to grey cup. 
 He wasn’t inconsistent. 
 

You say qb is the number 1 problem, then lampoon lawler for not putting up better numbers? While Lawler has almost 600 yards and 7 tds with blm. He has more than 3 of our starting WRs combined, including Demski and schoen, and one less receiving td than our entire wr core. 
 

It’s fair to say that with out hindsight, we made a sound decision in not paying Lawler. The problem is we either needed to pay him or fill that gap with another high level wr. And we failed to bring that guy in. 

[Bigblue204]

Yeah I was fully believing Lawler would be back at a reasonable (but still high) dollar amount during the off season. I was surprised he left but not surprised the Bombers let him leave. I also went on record saying if they had to choose between Schoen and Lawler....Schoen would be the right one. All of that has been wrong lol. Lawler is looking like he's taken his game to another level and Schoen may not ever be what he was. And now making our QB play with RECs who don't match his style (Big guys who go up and get the ball) is just building on that mistake. Maybe Case blows up this week and absolutely proves us wrong. But I'm not holding my breath.

[wbbfan]

7 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

https://static.cfl.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/CALGARY-at-WINNIPEG_JULY-18.pdf

Depth chart up

Schoen, Bryant out. 

Case and Person on.

Excited to see what Person can bring finally. 

Man I hope they actually rotate person in… watch him get less than 4 snaps. 

We did go with an extra starting Canadian rather than flipping an ni to imp. But maybe we will see more snaps from Adam’s. 

Less than 7 ol is a good move too. That said, I’m worried about our offence. It’s a lot of change and not much hope of an upgrade from the previous game. 
 It’s hard to beat a team home and away in short order like this, so that plays big in our favor. We should play well off the bye too. 

[voodoochylde]

2 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

Yeah I was fully believing Lawler would be back at a reasonable (but still high) dollar amount during the off season. I was surprised he left but not surprised the Bombers let him leave. I also went on record saying if they had to choose between Schoen and Lawler....Schoen would be the right one. All of that has been wrong lol. Lawler is looking like he's taken his game to another level and Schoen may not ever be what he was. And now making our QB play with RECs who don't match his style (Big guys who go up and get the ball) is just building on that mistake. Maybe Case blows up this week and absolutely proves us wrong. But I'm not holding my breath.

Lawler is what he is - his game hasn't changed.  What has changed is he has a QB (and an offense) that can feed him the ball.

[wbbfan]

1 minute ago, Bigblue204 said:

Yeah I was fully believing Lawler would be back at a reasonable (but still high) dollar amount during the off season. I was surprised he left but not surprised the Bombers let him leave. I also went on record saying if they had to choose between Schoen and Lawler....Schoen would be the right one. All of that has been wrong lol. Lawler is looking like he's taken his game to another level and Schoen may not ever be what he was. And now making our QB play with RECs who don't match his style (Big guys who go up and get the ball) is just building on that mistake. Maybe Case blows up this week and absolutely proves us wrong. But I'm not holding my breath.

Yep same boat here. I was stunned at what lawler got and thought we made the right decision. 
 Kyle can’t be blamed for not being perfect in hindsight. But being wrong about Kenny, wrong about dalton, and wrong about the 3 free agent WRs is more margin for error than a pro sports gm gets. That is a lot of fail piled up in one off season and one position. 

[GCn20]

9 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Yep same boat here. I was stunned at what lawler got and thought we made the right decision. 
 Kyle can’t be blamed for not being perfect in hindsight. But being wrong about Kenny, wrong about dalton, and wrong about the 3 free agent WRs is more margin for error than a pro sports gm gets. That is a lot of fail piled up in one off season and one position. 

I don't necessarily think he is wrong about Schoen, I'm not ready to write him off yet, but Lawler was a guy they needed to bring back. They let him go once and found out, I'm not quite clear why they repeated the mistake. As for FA mistakes, yep, very poor. Walters in general going back a couple years now is not exactly making too many good calls in hindsight is he? We are letting guys walk that should be staying, we are keeping guys that should be walking, and he's been getting a bit of a free ride from the fans. Our roster composition is HIS job not O'Shea's. Sure Osh makes it even worse with some decisions, but we have seen a considerable drop off in elite talent over the past couple years and more. In one offseason we let 3 all stars walk out the door and 2 of them were NATs. That's not particularly great GMing. Granted other teams blew their brains out to get them, but Walters should have known that was bound to happen if he let them hit the market. Now, of course, the elite of the league will always get raided but you got to have an ace up your sleeve when these things happen. Walters had let a plethora of talent go in the past few years without much of a replacement plan.

Edited 6 hours ago by GCn20

[rebusrankin]

I like the addition of Person and hope he gets a decent number of reps.

Case-Not excited at all. Our WR recruitment was a complete bust this year.

[blue85gold]

It's not like they paid Schoen huge money. 

Lawler is lighting it up for huge money right now. It's a long season, we'll see if he's worth the money in the long-term. 

[Bigblue204]

1 minute ago, GCn20 said:

I don't necessarily think he is wrong about Schoen, I'm not ready to write him off yet, but Lawler was a guy they needed to bring back. They let him go once and found out, I'm not quite clear why they repeated the mistake. As for FA mistakes, yep, very poor. Walters in general going back a couple years now is not exactly making too many good calls in hindsight is he? We are letting guys walk that should be staying, we are keeping guys that should be walking, and he's been getting a bit of a free ride from the fans. Our roster composition is HIS job not O'Shea's. Sure Osh makes it even worse with some decisions, but we have seen a considerable drop off in elite talent over the past couple years and more. In one offseason we let 3 all stars walk out the door and 2 of them were NATs. That's not particularly great GMing. Granted other teams blew their brains out to get them, but Walters should have known that was bound to happen if he let them hit the market.

To be fair, Lawler leaving the first time didn't hurt the Bombers in the slightest. And it actually provided room for Schoen to get on the roster. But I agree....Walters work these past few off seasons has been going downhill year over year. Stove walks...not replaced to this day. Grant...now Lawler...ugh

[GCn20]

Just now, Bigblue204 said:

To be fair, Lawler leaving the first time didn't hurt the Bombers in the slightest. And it actually provided room for Schoen to get on the roster. But I agree....Walters work these past few off seasons has been going downhill year over year. Stove walks...not replaced to this day. Grant...now Lawler...ugh

I don't mind a GM letting a succession plan play out. Dobson out for Wallace is probably going to pay off over the short term. However, we are letting guys that were game changers like Grant and Lawler go without any real clear replacements. Grant, in particular, was extremely baffling because he was waiting for our call.

[wbbfan]

1 minute ago, GCn20 said:

I don't necessarily think he is wrong about Schoen, I'm not ready to write him off yet, but Lawler was a guy they needed to bring back. They let him go once and found out, I'm not quite clear why they repeated the mistake. As for FA mistakes, yep, very poor. Walters in general going back a couple years now is not exactly making too many good calls in hindsight is he? We are letting guys walk that should be staying, we are keeping guys that should be walking, and he's been getting a bit of a free ride from the fans. Our roster composition is HIS job not O'Shea's. Sure Osh makes it even worse with some decisions, but we have seen a considerable drop off in elite talent over the past couple years and more. In one offseason we let 3 all stars walk out the door and 2 of them were NATs. That's not particularly great GMing. Granted other teams blew their brains out to get them, but Walters should have known that was bound to happen if he let them hit the market.

I’m not gonna write off schoen for life. I think he can still be a very effective player, when he’s 100%. 
 We are close to the half way point and he’s injured, and was a fraction of his former self to start the year. As such, I am basically writing off any expectations for him this year. I think we are a couple weeks away from the point where he should be shut down for the year so we can get what ever best he has left for next year and going forward. 
 

Yeah it’s been a lot of whiffs and not finding any in league gems. And that’s a huge part of success in the cfl. Previously, we did great at finding guys off other teams scrap heaps who were amazing. 

It’s a good point that we regretted letting Lawler walk then paid him then refused to continue paying him that sum. He did have two stupid off field mistakes, but you can’t think those would repeat. 

You’re right, that he’s mos’ boss and he should be reining him in and off setting his weaknesses. He has to be ultimately accountable for failing to develop mos further the last few years too. 

[BomberBall.]

Shocked, but happy to see Person added to the roster.  I hope he gets a good chunk of snaps to see what he can do.

[rebusrankin]

Schoen was put on the 6. We're in trouble at receiver. 

[Booch]

20 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Man I hope they actually rotate person in… watch him get less than 4 snaps. 

We did go with an extra starting Canadian rather than flipping an ni to imp. But maybe we will see more snaps from Adam’s. 

Less than 7 ol is a good move too. That said, I’m worried about our offence. It’s a lot of change and not much hope of an upgrade from the previous game. 
 It’s hard to beat a team home and away in short order like this, so that plays big in our favor. We should play well off the bye too. 

finally ...we better not see any jake on the edge now....and yeah he better get a solid rotation....Like to see 3 ends and one of Lawson/Adams too....that could really free up some lanes for pressure....finally we have a true speed rush guy who also can over power guys

Case....not shocked and a big meh...we can do so much better but we choose to just stay status quo

Interested too in what Vpool brings at tackle

11 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

I don't necessarily think he is wrong about Schoen, I'm not ready to write him off yet, but Lawler was a guy they needed to bring back. They let him go once and found out, I'm not quite clear why they repeated the mistake. As for FA mistakes, yep, very poor. Walters in general going back a couple years now is not exactly making too many good calls in hindsight is he? We are letting guys walk that should be staying, we are keeping guys that should be walking, and he's been getting a bit of a free ride from the fans. Our roster composition is HIS job not O'Shea's. Sure Osh makes it even worse with some decisions, but we have seen a considerable drop off in elite talent over the past couple years and more. In one offseason we let 3 all stars walk out the door and 2 of them were NATs. That's not particularly great GMing. Granted other teams blew their brains out to get them, but Walters should have known that was bound to happen if he let them hit the market. Now, of course, the elite of the league will always get raided but you got to have an ace up your sleeve when these things happen. Walters had let a plethora of talent go in the past few years without much of a replacement plan.

yeah...Scoen isnt a write off....but yr one...not even a yr of recovery for a WR is just a real gamble....and even with no hiccups prob would have taken 2/3rds of the yr to truly get his mojo back...but we rushed him into 1A receiver slot and I think we got him hurt...I think he may miss weeks...and would be wise to allow him that...we really need to bring someone else in...2 guys really....and or let Mitchel get his shot in a game or 2....and if he doesnt light it up...cut bait...Also Sterns and Case are not gonna bring us to the promised land

4 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Schoen was put on the 6. We're in trouble at receiver. 

yeah...as I figured...coming off a injury similar to Strev personally...and then a second acl rebuild 2 yrs later as soon as I saw him land and his reaction...I knew he was gonna be out a while...if not for majority of the rest of yr...and why I said right from his signing that was a huge risk

[Bigblue204]

7 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

I’m not gonna write off schoen for life. I think he can still be a very effective player, when he’s 100%. 
 We are close to the half way point and he’s injured, and was a fraction of his former self to start the year. As such, I am basically writing off any expectations for him this year. I think we are a couple weeks away from the point where he should be shut down for the year so we can get what ever best he has left for next year and going forward. 

I disagree that they should shut him down. I think that would hurt his rebound more than help. He needs to get on the field and play through the mental stuff until it's not there. You can't get that in practice/training etc. His knee definitely needs to be healthy for him to be on the field though.

4 minutes ago, Booch said:

finally ...we better not see any jake now....

FTFY

[ShyGuy]

44 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

It's not like they paid Schoen huge money. 

Lawler is lighting it up for huge money right now. It's a long season, we'll see if he's worth the money in the long-term. 

The calculus for sure isn't Schoen vs Lawler it is Schoen plus whatever they could do with the $120K difference vs Lawler.

The big question mark was if Schoen could stay healthy and if they could effectively use that $120K somewhere... and it looks like no on both accounts.

[HardCoreBlue]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

Man I hope they actually rotate person in… watch him get less than 4 snaps. 

We did go with an extra starting Canadian rather than flipping an ni to imp. But maybe we will see more snaps from Adam’s. 

Less than 7 ol is a good move too. That said, I’m worried about our offence. It’s a lot of change and not much hope of an upgrade from the previous game. 
 It’s hard to beat a team home and away in short order like this, so that plays big in our favor. We should play well off the bye too. 

Let’s offset any worry we have with our receiving core/QB with BO bulldozing his way thru the Stumps D making them nice and soft. Control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball and good things usually happen. 

[wbbfan]

54 minutes ago, Booch said:

finally ...we better not see any jake on the edge now....and yeah he better get a solid rotation....Like to see 3 ends and one of Lawson/Adams too....that could really free up some lanes for pressure....finally we have a true speed rush guy who also can over power guys

Case....not shocked and a big meh...we can do so much better but we choose to just stay status quo

Interested too in what Vpool brings at tackle

yeah...Scoen isnt a write off....but yr one...not even a yr of recovery for a WR is just a real gamble....and even with no hiccups prob would have taken 2/3rds of the yr to truly get his mojo back...but we rushed him into 1A receiver slot and I think we got him hurt...I think he may miss weeks...and would be wise to allow him that...we really need to bring someone else in...2 guys really....and or let Mitchel get his shot in a game or 2....and if he doesnt light it up...cut bait...Also Sterns and Case are not gonna bring us to the promised land

yeah...as I figured...coming off a injury similar to Strev personally...and then a second acl rebuild 2 yrs later as soon as I saw him land and his reaction...I knew he was gonna be out a while...if not for majority of the rest of yr...and why I said right from his signing that was a huge risk

Vanterpool at T is a big one for sure. He took a big step forward this year, he needs to end up a T to stick though, and boy with age are we in need of the next guy up. 
 
 

 

55 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

I disagree that they should shut him down. I think that would hurt his rebound more than help. He needs to get on the field and play through the mental stuff until it's not there. You can't get that in practice/training etc. His knee definitely needs to be healthy for him to be on the field though.

FTFY

I don’t think it’s mental stuff, he hasn’t been moving well. I think it’s physical issues. Yeah I think the knee is not where it needs to be. 
 If he can get it to where he needs to be to start easing back in this year then that’s great. But given the time lost and snaps on a banged up body I’m not optimistic. 
 If he’s on the 6, with 6 weeks in, I don’t think we have much chance of him being 100% healthy and back up to conditioning levels this year. Some chance sure, but not a lot. 
 

20 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Let’s offset any worry we have with our receiving core/QB with BO bulldozing his way thru the Stumps D making them nice and soft. Control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball and good things usually happen. 

id love for us to do that, maybe vanterpool at T will help with run blocking. That should be the plan, but Calgary will be ready for the run too. 

[HardCoreBlue]

3 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Vanterpool at T is a big one for sure. He took a big step forward this year, he needs to end up a T to stick though, and boy with age are we in need of the next guy up. 
 
 

 

I don’t think it’s mental stuff, he hasn’t been moving well. I think it’s physical issues. Yeah I think the knee is not where it needs to be. 
 If he can get it to where he needs to be to start easing back in this year then that’s great. But given the time lost and snaps on a banged up body I’m not optimistic. 
 If he’s on the 6, with 6 weeks in, I don’t think we have much chance of him being 100% healthy and back up to conditioning levels this year. Some chance sure, but not a lot. 
 

id love for us to do that, maybe vanterpool at T will help with run blocking. That should be the plan, but Calgary will be ready for the run too. 

I'm hoping there is a wide gap between them being prepared to them properly executing that preparation. 🙂

[17to85]

So the mistake isn't so much letting Lawler go, it's not bringing in someone to replace him. I guess they thought Mitchell could do some of that, and we'll that hasn't happened.

[HardCoreBlue]

4 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

So the mistake isn't so much letting Lawler go, it's not bringing in someone to replace him. I guess they thought Mitchell could do some of that, and we'll that hasn't happened.

Who?

[rebusrankin]

We're fans and most of us knew that there were risks with Schoen this year such as reinjury, slower start to the season, this being a working your way back year. So Walters has to know this. However his solution to mitigate this risk was to sign Mitchell who apparently is a slow learner who can only play one spot? Then he throws in discount bin shopping and poor recruitment. Walters did a poor job in this area this year. And yes, it pisses me off even more because its a home Grey Cup year.

[ShyGuy]

Maybe the plan was to hope that Wilson doesn't catch on with the Jets and falls off quick... but that doesn't seem like a great plan