Elks at Bombers early chat

[wbbfan]

32 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

Lots of options. Eli as you said. Last season there was a game where they had to trot Streveler out there as a receiver. They've had packages in the past that gets Willie out there as a TE. The possibilities are limitless!

Jokes aside, I would not hesitate to run 6ol with eli in on both passing and run downs. I'd much rather have him in vs the edmonton DL, than a banged up NI wr or Sterns(to get cooley on). 

[3rdand1.5]

2 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Jokes aside, I would not hesitate to run 6ol with eli in on both passing and run downs. I'd much rather have him in vs the edmonton DL, than a banged up NI wr or Sterns(to get cooley on). 

Eli as a TE/6 OL to assist in blocking...EDM has a very, very good DL and if he does sneak out now after the highlight reel grab last week....he will have to be respected even as a decoy... It doesn't effect the ratio and a healthy ELI, I agree is better overall to the team than a hobbling Demski. (for clarification...no I am not suggesting he is the better receiver, just perhaps a better overall fit against a really good D-line compared to a receiver who is hurt)

[Fatty Liver]

4 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Jokes aside, I would not hesitate to run 6ol with eli in on both passing and run downs. I'd much rather have him in vs the edmonton DL, than a banged up NI wr or Sterns(to get cooley on). 

Keep running Eli to the sideline on goal-line plays, he'll draw at least one player with him and clear space for another receiver or running play inside.

[Booch]

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

Are they playing in the GC this week? Or are they playing their 3rd game of the year. If we're going to compare the past and learn from history....the correct thing would be to compare where they are now compared to where they were relative to the same time last year. Last year they started 0-4 after a lazy TC. Would you say they admitted a mistake and learned from it? We can go on and on about the last 3 grey cups. But they aren't preparing for the GC this week.
 

The season and how you go about it..roster..etc...sets you up tho for success in it tho...we effed it up during the yr 3 yrs running...so it's preventative maintenance so to speak

[JuranBoldenRules]

Not a huge fan of our receiving corps.  Got a QB who wants to go heavy vertical/intermediate stuff and two of 5 suited to that.  Demski is too but really only wins consistently on a couple routes and needs to be open open to have a chance to finish plays downfield.

Same **** as last year with receivers.  Replace Lawler with Wheatfall.  Sterns is Wilson.  Get some bigger yet versatile bodies, catch radius guys.  Hope Clercius develops some game on the inside breaking routes and not just being good at getting the YAC when D forgets about him.

[wbbfan]

45 minutes ago, 3rdand1.5 said:

Eli as a TE/6 OL to assist in blocking...EDM has a very, very good DL and if he does sneak out now after the highlight reel grab last week....he will have to be respected even as a decoy... It doesn't effect the ratio and a healthy ELI, I agree is better overall to the team than a hobbling Demski. (for clarification...no I am not suggesting he is the better receiver, just perhaps a better overall fit against a really good D-line compared to a receiver who is hurt)

Yeah, I think the only area the Elk stand to challenge us is Dl vs our OL. Even their OL is banged up and got a few changes. But that dl, they got some guys who get after it. 

Yeah, If he was in a flex tight grouping or even further out it's a nightmare for defences. Do you put a lil guy on him? He might pancake then still come in and seal another guy. do you take a good dl who can 1v1 away from the play? I'd love to see some Eli motion. Really screw with defences. 

 

 

[SpeedFlex27]

20 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Not a huge fan of our receiving corps.  Got a QB who wants to go heavy vertical/intermediate stuff and two of 5 suited to that.  Demski is too but really only wins consistently on a couple routes and needs to be open open to have a chance to finish plays downfield.

Same **** as last year with receivers.  Replace Lawler with Wheatfall.  Sterns is Wilson.  Get some bigger yet versatile bodies, catch radius guys.  Hope Clercius develops some game on the inside breaking routes and not just being good at getting the YAC when D forgets about him.

We won't spend money on receivers now. We're dead last in the CFL in receiving yards per game. We get what we pay for. Yet defensively, we waste money on guys like Thomas & Wilson. Makes no sense. 

Edited 2 hours ago by SpeedFlex27

[Fatty Liver]

39 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Not a huge fan of our receiving corps.  Got a QB who wants to go heavy vertical/intermediate stuff and two of 5 suited to that.  Demski is too but really only wins consistently on a couple routes and needs to be open open to have a chance to finish plays downfield.

Same **** as last year with receivers.  Replace Lawler with Wheatfall.  Sterns is Wilson.  Get some bigger yet versatile bodies, catch radius guys.  Hope Clercius develops some game on the inside breaking routes and not just being good at getting the YAC when D forgets about him.

The receivers are fine, more of a QB issue IMO, maybe if Zach keeps missing those deep shots Jackson will convince him it's not working anymore and help to re-program him.

[Bigblue204]

54 minutes ago, Booch said:

The season and how you go about it..roster..etc...sets you up tho for success in it tho...we effed it up during the yr 3 yrs running...so it's preventative maintenance so to speak

Sure, but I'll worry about the GC when/if they get there. As of right now, they're a better team then they were this time last year.

[SpeedFlex27]

4 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

The receivers are fine, more of a QB issue IMO, maybe if Zach keeps missing those deep shots Jackson will convince him it's not working anymore and help to re-program him.

The receivers are not fine. They're average. Re-program a 36 year old qb whose played for 25 years?? 

[Bigblue204]

Just now, SpeedFlex27 said:

The receivers are not fine. They're average. Re-program a 36 year old qb whose played for 25 years?? 

yes. Like Anthony Calvillo did in MTL when things started going off the rails. He turned it around because he changed the way he played.

[Booch]

2 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

Sure, but I'll worry about the GC when/if they get there. As of right now, they're a better team then they were this time last year.

i dunno....If you dont worry about stuff in-season and address it....there wont be no grey cup, and if we luck out and do get to it....expect more the same cause in Osh's eye's...it was all a success and due to it...it's happened 3 yrs running...and this yr we have a lot the same characyers....older now...and a coach showing the exact same mindset and yes I will say it...fatal flaws

2 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

The receivers are not fine. They're average. Re-program a 36 year old qb whose played for 25 years?? 

I'd not say our receivers are fine either...zero depth behind any starter....and a 5th receiver who really adds zero to our offence....if i'd rank ours against the rest of league...right now we in bottom 3 

2 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

yes. Like Anthony Calvillo did in MTL when things started going off the rails. He turned it around because he changed the way he played.

he did...but not sure ZC will...or has the ability to...or desire...but then again...guess we will see....I wouldnt be surprised by the end of yr due to play...possible injuries that Strev is leading us into playoffs

 

[rebusrankin]

So picking up on the whole MOS views O, D and ST as equal parts and builds his roster that way. In two games this season, we have 101 plays on offense, 98 on D and 38 on ST. We need to build the roster better.

[HardCoreBlue]

26 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

yes. Like Anthony Calvillo did in MTL when things started going off the rails. He turned it around because he changed the way he played.

AC had THE best quick release that helped save his body from being destroyed by incoming defensive predators.

I hated when we played against him. AC to Cahoon, touchdown. And don't get me going on Chip Cox.

[JuranBoldenRules]

Just now, HardCoreBlue said:

AC had THE best quick release that helped save his body from being destroyed by incoming defensive predators.

I hated when we played against him. AC to Cahoon, touchdown. And don't get me going on Chip Cox.

Yeah he didn't change much.  They fixed their OL and brought Trestman in to coach.  Calvillo was suited to that West Coast style that Trestman brought to Canadian game.

Montreal had multiple games of giving up double digit sacks in that Jim Popp/end of Don Matthews as head coach era.  And then his wife was ill.

[Fatty Liver]

35 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

The receivers are not fine. They're average. Re-program a 36 year old qb whose played for 25 years?? 

Yes. Like BLM did in Hamilton last year, Milanovich convinced him to go through his reads from near to far.

The receivers are great, Wheatfall, Schoen and Demski are top 3 on any team, Mitchell is backup, White could be called back if needed, and good chance Pokey returns within a couple of months.

 

[wbbfan]

55 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

The receivers are fine, more of a QB issue IMO, maybe if Zach keeps missing those deep shots Jackson will convince him it's not working anymore and help to re-program him.

We aren’t even using schoen well. I’d swap Mitchell for sterns atleast. We could always use a top end wr or even more depth. 
 

32 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

So picking up on the whole MOS views O, D and ST as equal parts and builds his roster that way. In two games this season, we have 101 plays on offense, 98 on D and 38 on ST. We need to build the roster better.

Qft. And some teams plays don’t involve most of the kick cover guys. 
 

18 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

AC had THE best quick release that helped save his body from being destroyed by incoming defensive predators.

I hated when we played against him. AC to Cahoon, touchdown. And don't get me going on Chip Cox.

The best combination of decision making, release, and football iq. 
 Imo, release speed is the best success indicator and measurable for a qb. 

[Booch]

10 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

We aren’t even using schoen well. I’d swap Mitchell for sterns atleast. We could always use a top end wr or even more depth. 
 

Qft. And some teams plays don’t involve most of the kick cover guys. 
 

The best combination of decision making, release, and football iq. 
 Imo, release speed is the best success indicator and measurable for a qb. 

I dont think Schoen has that burst/seperation ability after the catch yey and Demski is always banged up so swapping out Sterns for a guy like Mitchel who has big play abilitywould be wise to open things up a bit

 

[Pete]

6 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

If  Demski is a GTD, why not add a Mitchell for one of the defensive DIs? Of course, MOS will play him hobbled no question.

Why not find a way to get another DE on?

the issue is our DI options right  now are

Ayers: Oshea is very reluctant to drop our best return coverage guy, and likely doesn't yet trust Shay enough to back up lbs

Griffin Jr. ; has been one of our best defenders

Castillo 

Vaval; who has been great as well

Cooley: brings more to the offence than another receiver

Until Olivera returns I don't see the above changing.

 

Edited 5 minutes ago by Pete