2025 CFL (Non-Bombers) Season

[Booch]

26 minutes ago, bustamente said:

Could be personnel, I just saw way to many play with no pressure no coverage and poor tackling, especially down the stretch. 

that added to it...that also gets don to the coaching and lack there of...and minimal practices when you could have had more per week and not violated PA rules....and lack of actual focus and teachings of thihs in practice...just assuming things would "work out"

Poor all around how this team was ran...and constructed

Had a few seasons of top players...on their prime...on the cheap in some instances....and a better roster than the other teams...and they had a bit of success....let it all erode...got complacent and lazy...slide to the depths we at

Almost 3 yrs ago i said it's coming...seen it before...been thru it....an if certain things continued we would see what has happened and quickly....and all the "yah buts" mean jackshit...and low and behold

 

Edited 22 hours ago by Booch

[wbbfan]

40 minutes ago, bustamente said:

Could be personnel, I just saw way to many play with no pressure no coverage and poor tackling, especially down the stretch. 

We gave up a lot due to having no pressure. Tackling does need to improve for sure though. That’s all on leadership, discipline and accountability which no CO can install with a soft hc, and players like wj coasting. Especially owe this length of time. 

[SpeedFlex27]

The RedBlacks went deep & signed Dinwiddie. They're serious & all in about winning. How serious are we??? 

[HardCoreBlue]

2 hours ago, wbbfan said:

I’ll pay for his ticket, first class, to toronto. Then he can find his way where ever he pleases. 

His berta look may not fly in the big smoke. Might need a makeover.

[SpeedFlex27]

4 hours ago, wbbfan said:

We gave up a lot due to having no pressure. Tackling does need to improve for sure though. That’s all on leadership, discipline and accountability which no CO can install with a soft hc, and players like wj coasting. Especially owe this length of time. 

That's the system the DC designed. The lack of a pass rush is on Younger. That's why our D is all linebackers & dbs. They got lit up last Saturday. Another year of Osh means more of the same. More Younger. More Cheetos. 

Edited 18 hours ago by SpeedFlex27

[SpeedFlex27]

Through all this discussion about our lazy GM Walters, Osh leaving for Toronto (please go), firing Hogan or maybe losing Brady if we don't, Zach's unhappiness, Younger & his Cheetos no pass rush defense, Walters not doing enough this past off season, Osh roster management issues.... All I want is a change.

The room has gone stale. It stinks. We need Wade Miller to go in & open the window wide to let a fresh breeze in. As a fan, I want change. Meaningful & serious change. I don't care if that means head rolls & we don't renew the contracts of  Walters & O'Shea. After 12 freaking years, the team has to do something to shake it up. I don't want to watch my team decline further while we have a GM mail it in another off season. While players & coaches who should be gone get special treatment & undeservedly stick around for another season.

After 12 going on 13 seasons, I don't think as a fan that I can take anymore of this **** because I know it'll just get worse.

Edited 15 hours ago by SpeedFlex27

[Goalie]

14 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

The RedBlacks went deep & signed Dinwiddie. They're serious & all in about winning. How serious are we??? 

Argos missed the playoffs dude. 

[bigg jay]

3 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Argos missed the playoffs dude. 

Without their starting QB all season.  How do you think any other team does in that situation?

[ShyGuy]

27 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

Without their starting QB all season.  How do you think any other team does in that situation?

Arbuckle in 15 games was 365/504 with 4370 yards and 26/15

In Kellys MOP season in 18 games he was 270/394 for 4123 yards and 23/12

Only real difference between the two stats wise is Team wins and Kelly also ran the short offense and has a bit more mobility.

There really wasn't much of a drop off between Kelly and Arbuckle

[bigg jay]

4 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

Arbuckle in 15 games was 365/504 with 4370 yards and 26/15

In Kellys MOP season in 18 games he was 270/394 for 4123 yards and 23/12

Only real difference between the two stats wise is Team wins and Kelly also ran the short offense and has a bit more mobility.

There really wasn't much of a drop off between Kelly and Arbuckle

It is a team game though so I'm not completely blaming Arbuckle (Toronto's defense was really good in 2023 and terrible this year, allowing the most points, by a fairly wide margin).  They have bled a lot of talent on that side of the ball over the last couple seasons.

Stats can also be misleading and don't tell the whole story so I wonder how much of his numbers came in garbage time?  I looked at their season schedule and they trailed going into the 4th quarter in 13 of 18 games so there was a lot of opportunity to put up numbers in a losing situation.

[Booch]

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

Argos missed the playoffs dude. 

And also won 2 of last 3 Cups under Dinwiddie...not his fault his team got gutted in FA last yr

Id take him over Osh in a heartbeat 

1 hour ago, bigg jay said:

Without their starting QB all season.  How do you think any other team does in that situation?

Yeah...totally lost their dline...top reciever Coxie missed most yr...not Dinwiddie fault...he who has won 2 of last 3 cups...

[rebusrankin]

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

Argos missed the playoffs dude. 

2 cups in 3 years, an Eastern Final and one non playoff year when they still competed on offense with Arbuckle having a career year and Henslow emerging as a stud. Missing the forest for the trees, Dude.

[wbbfan]

6 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

2 cups in 3 years, an Eastern Final and one non playoff year when they still competed on offense with Arbuckle having a career year and Henslow emerging as a stud. Missing the forest for the trees, Dude.

They also had like 3 loses by 3 or less. 

Toronto capsized because for years they have been hammered away at in free agency, with out doing much to bring stars back. Just like us. That Dejon Allen trade, even though he was hurt a good chunk of this season, was still just awful. The chatfield trade was the only decent one pinball made, and he swung a bunch of trades this season/off-season. Pinball also couldn't manage to find the argos a RB worth a damn to replace AJ with. 

The dip in the argos production is squarely on pinball/muphy but they let Dinwiddie take the fall. No he's off to better things and the argos will probably be a basement dweller. 

[Goalie]

Argos gonna get Osh or and Steinauer I bet. 

[Booch]

1 minute ago, Goalie said:

Argos gonna get Osh or and Steinauer I bet. 

please please lol

Tell me you got the scoop hahahaha

[Goalie]

You’re like an obsessive ex bro. Its unhealthy. 

[Stickem]

32 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

They also had like 3 loses by 3 or less. 

Toronto capsized because for years they have been hammered away at in free agency, with out doing much to bring stars back. Just like us. 

Exactly....when you gut a team ....like we've been AND the argos, the expected fail is around the corner...An article saying O'Shea could be the replacement for Dinwoodie IS a good possibility....Maybe it would be best for all concerned...Our head coaching has gone stale and a new start for Osh could be a good thing...It clears the way for us to do the same thing.....get a fresh start ........ What happens with Walters....does he take his act east as well.....Going to get very interesting

[bigg jay]

5 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Argos gonna get Osh or and Steinauer I bet. 

Steinauer is president of football ops, why would he take a demotion?  Also why would Hamilton allow it?  They can't block a chance at a promotion but they could deny the Argos permission to talk to him about a lower position.

[wbbfan]

22 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

Steinauer is president of football ops, why would he take a demotion?  Also why would Hamilton allow it?  They can't block a chance at a promotion but they could deny the Argos permission to talk to him about a lower position.

Hamilton and President O were in deep trouble before this season. I think this year's resurgence has bought them considerable rope, once again. And the only way I think he leaves hamilton is with an apple and a road map. I don't think he bails for another position. 

[Bigblue204]

2 hours ago, ShyGuy said:

Arbuckle in 15 games was 365/504 with 4370 yards and 26/15

In Kellys MOP season in 18 games he was 270/394 for 4123 yards and 23/12

Only real difference between the two stats wise is Team wins and Kelly also ran the short offense and has a bit more mobility.

There really wasn't much of a drop off between Kelly and Arbuckle

Honestly, Id argue Arbuckle had the better year by quite a bit. Arbuckle had a less talented Oline, a less talented RB group and a for the most part a less talented WR group....and a Defense that wasn't anywhere near the Defences Kelly played with, like not even in the same atmosphere.