First practice of the regular season is today. Out with the old and in with the new. Time to get it started.

 

34 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

vanterpool isn’t bond at guard, but he’s not far off. Randolph is good at RT, a lot better than early hardrick was. Them and lofton aren’t bad, and not the weak spot on our ol that’s for sure. if we went forward with them as starters our ol would improve. problem is really the rest of the old guard. wallace is developing too, and a bit better than what we stuck with in gray, dobson etc prior. 

I guess my thinking is, with 3 Americans starting, they should dominate. I do agree they would improve if all 3 started consistently.

50 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

vanterpool isn’t bond at guard, but he’s not far off. Randolph is good at RT, a lot better than early hardrick was. Them and lofton aren’t bad, and not the weak spot on our ol that’s for sure. if we went forward with them as starters our ol would improve. problem is really the rest of the old guard. wallace is developing too, and a bit better than what we stuck with in gray, dobson etc prior. 

Yeah hardrick was on way out of league when we grabbed him off the scrap pile

Was a turnstile...no wind...fat...bad footwork...from being way to fat

We saved his career with good coaching

15 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

I guess my thinking is, with 3 Americans starting, they should dominate. I do agree they would improve if all 3 started consistently.

3 at interior dline...u generally have more success than not

Save for the odd prime Laurent type...which is rare

1 hour ago, Mark H. said:

I guess my thinking is, with 3 Americans starting, they should dominate. I do agree they would improve if all 3 started consistently.

They would all improve without the embarrassment of a turnstile we have at center…

1 minute ago, BigBlueFanatic said:

They would all improve without the embarrassment of a turnstile we have at center…

100 percent...110 percent 

 

3 hours ago, Mark H. said:

I guess my thinking is, with 3 Americans starting, they should dominate. I do agree they would improve if all 3 started consistently.

you’re right. though it does take time with the same unit to get them to that point. and we see changes every other week. 

3 hours ago, Booch said:

Yeah hardrick was on way out of league when we grabbed him off the scrap pile

Was a turnstile...no wind...fat...bad footwork...from being way to fat

We saved his career with good coaching

3 at interior dline...u generally have more success than not

Save for the odd prime Laurent type...which is rare

On that note, big props to yoshi for pulling his career off the scrap heap for a second time. he looks worlds better than the last 2-3 years here. Dobson too. dude is finally down to where he should be weight wise and not struggling to adjust to being lighter. 

We are like that bf that gets dumped then his exs become hot. The former bombers list of ol around the league would be the best ol in the league. 

 

If we finally jettisoned kola and either started wallace or eli, then ran with the 3 imps our ol would improve a lot. 

1 minute ago, wbbfan said:

you’re right. though it does take time with the same unit to get them to that point. and we see changes every other week. 

On that note, big props to yoshi for pulling his career off the scrap heap for a second time. he looks worlds better than the last 2-3 years here. Dobson too. dude is finally down to where he should be weight wise and not struggling to adjust to being lighter. 

We are like that bf that gets dumped then his exs become hot. The former bombers list of ol around the league would be the best ol in the league. 

 

If we finally jettisoned kola and either started wallace or eli, then ran with the 3 imps our ol would improve a lot. 

Magloster (sp) in mtl is damn good...Desjarlais...Couture...wasn't Broxton here too for a look?

Look at kongbo...Rene...Fox...gave up on em all and all would look good here right now 

1 hour ago, Booch said:

Magloster (sp) in mtl is damn good...Desjarlais...Couture...wasn't Broxton here too for a look?

Look at kongbo...Rene...Fox...gave up on em all and all would look good here right now 

Yeah, broxton was here for a bit.  Plus dobson who is killing it this year. 

Yeah, I dont see a lot of teams pursuing our FAs this year though. hope fully we go back into buy/build mode. 

5 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Yeah, broxton was here for a bit.  Plus dobson who is killing it this year. 

Yeah, I dont see a lot of teams pursuing our FAs this year though. hope fully we go back into buy/build mode. 

Yeah...imagine...signed Dobson...dumped Kolo and his salary...figured out the best 3 to start out of neuf..Dobson.. Eli.. Wallace...all 4 really could essentially be your center...we'd be worlds better

2 hours ago, wbbfan said:

Yeah, broxton was here for a bit.  Plus dobson who is killing it this year. 

Yeah, I dont see a lot of teams pursuing our FAs this year though. hope fully we go back into buy/build mode. 

I'm really hoping we go full spend mode this offseason... Buy as much as you can on th OL/DL...

5 hours ago, wbbfan said:

you’re right. though it does take time with the same unit to get them to that point. and we see changes every other week. 

On that note, big props to yoshi for pulling his career off the scrap heap for a second time. he looks worlds better than the last 2-3 years here. Dobson too. dude is finally down to where he should be weight wise and not struggling to adjust to being lighter. 

We are like that bf that gets dumped then his exs become hot. The former bombers list of ol around the league would be the best ol in the league. 

 

If we finally jettisoned kola and either started wallace or eli, then ran with the 3 imps our ol would improve a lot. 

We give up on our guys too soon. Walters doesn't want to pay so they leave after their rookie deals are over. . We only pay & play them on cheap rookie deals. Yet, we pay to keep a useless Center around Like Kolankwski.

Edited September 14, 2025Sep 14 by SpeedFlex27

17 hours ago, GCn20 said:

You should while getting more educated on these injuries.

 

I do have an education. A knee replacement in 2023 from the same injury Schoen has suffered. All you do is talk ****. 

From the Winnipeg Free Press (posted online yesterday evening by Taylor Allen) about the Bombers’ OC, “the last time he was the head offensive coordinator was nearly a decade ago at a secondary school in Laval.” I’ll give my head a shake and leave it at that.

9 hours ago, Noeller said:

I'm really hoping we go full spend mode this offseason... Buy as much as you can on th OL/DL...

Whatever the method, both lines need to be upgraded.  That much is obvious.

3 hours ago, Slimy Sculpin said:

From the Winnipeg Free Press (posted online yesterday evening by Taylor Allen) about the Bombers’ OC, “the last time he was the head offensive coordinator was nearly a decade ago at a secondary school in Laval.” I’ll give my head a shake and leave it at that.

I said that the day he was announced...a piss poor choice...zero experience at even a half assed university level...a lazy internal promotion and we'd pay for it....and yup...we paying

2 hours ago, wpgallday1960 said:

Whatever the method, both lines need to be upgraded.  That much is obvious.

And be open minded and realize...u can allocate yiur ratio anyway u want...not concrete spots like we have...even when they not best option

Find best players...then work your ratio...we assbackwards 

OL is only as good as the weakest link and kolo is extremely weak. He’s broken. That’s the problem. 

18 minutes ago, Goalie said:

OL is only as good as the weakest link and kolo is extremely weak. He’s broken. That’s the problem. 

The only replacement required on the o-line is a solid center. We could do that hopefully in the off season. On the D-Line, I am not as sure. I was thinking replace Jake with a solid Canadian if one comes available, but we have solid guys for the D-Line in house that are not played. (At least in my opinion as a couch coach)* I am afraid, however, there will be very little changes in the off season if O'Shea remains Head Coach. No offense to him or those that love him, but when guys are done or not as good as the opposition, its time to make changes...most Championship teams do...I am perplexed at our lack of depth at some positions and our HC seems to be turning a blind eye to this team, despite hosting the Grey Cup this year...something they NEW well before pre-season. Its hard for me to say, but I think that it should be the end of the Canadian Mafia this season. All 3 should be let go. Not just Walters and Osh....but Miller as well. He's too cheap. He likely instructed Walters to keep salaries down....despite this being a Grey Cup Year....top that off with Osh stubbornly playing guys who are past expiry dates or that show him a lunch pail attitude in practices, as opposed to some with outstanding talent that don't always go as hard in practice but save it for game day. I am not suggesting that if you dont work hard in practice that you should be allowed to play, but its a fact alot of solid vets dont always go hard anymore in practice. This team also needs depth at all positions that can step in without the team missing a beat. In the days gone by, we had Clements and Hufnagel...2 actual QB'S...now we have Collaros, who seems to be on his last legs, and Streveler that isnt very effective this year, and a reluctance to try our back up QB'S or trade for a guy that is young, has shown talent in this league, and may be available for as little as a draft pick. Most on here are not your average fans, so I dont think that when we point out huge flaws that we are wrong. This team started 3-0 with a healthy defense...Parker at Safety, Bond was in the secondary...but we are 3-7 since, and its apparent that if you use injuries as an excuse, then we are lacking solid depth. I see some of our rookies as promising, and of course they are learning the CFL game, but I sure hope they dont go status quo next year as well. Our O-Line, D-Line, Secondary, Linebackers, Depth...all need to be addressed. 

22 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

I do have an education. A knee replacement in 2023 from the same injury Schoen has suffered. All you do is talk ****. 

You had a partially torn ACL and they replaced your knee? You should have gotten a 2nd opinion

nobody on the bombers had a partially torn acl this or last yr

I not sure why you are so hung up on that

Edited September 15, 2025Sep 15 by Booch

1 hour ago, Booch said:

nobody on the bombers had a partially torn acl this or last yr

I not sure why you are so hung up on that

Prove it.  I've had one and rehabbed by way through it. I have not heard a single shred of legitimate evidence stating it was fully torn. You posted up a tweet by Ed Tait saying his ACL was torn. Guess what? A partial tear is also referred to as a torn ACL. When I had my partial tear the doctor told me I was lucky it was not fully torn because that would require immediate surgery before the ends of the ligament shorten. So, the bullcrap you guys are trying to sell is that Alain Couture in his 23rd year with the Bombers and widely regarded as one of the best athletic therapists in his field, either misdiagnosed Schoen or committed medical malpractice by letting him play on a fully torn ACL. Contrary to the BS that you guys are selling Alain has final say on whether a player plays or not. Not MOS, not the player themselves decides that.

Alain Couture is entering his 23rd season with the Winnipeg Football Club in 2025, overseeing the health and well-being of every player on the roster. Couture provides constant updates to the head coach on the health status of every player, and ultimately has the final say on whether they can return to the field after being injured.

33 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Prove it.  I've had one and rehabbed by way through it. I have not heard a single shred of legitimate evidence stating it was fully torn.

My dude, you are the only one who is going against what is being reported. Let's see your evidence that it was partially torn. We have one tweet from Tait saying it was torn. We have a sound bite from O'Shea saying yeah he tore it in Calgary. Not one time has the word 'partial' been uttered in the media in regards to Schoen. It follows that we should probably trust the team when they say it was ... torn

2 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Prove it.  I've had one and rehabbed by way through it. I have not heard a single shred of legitimate evidence stating it was fully torn. You posted up a tweet by Ed Tait saying his ACL was torn. Guess what? A partial tear is also referred to as a torn ACL. When I had my partial tear the doctor told me I was lucky it was not fully torn because that would require immediate surgery before the ends of the ligament shorten. So, the bullcrap you guys are trying to sell is that Alain Couture in his 23rd year with the Bombers and widely regarded as one of the best athletic therapists in his field, either misdiagnosed Schoen or committed medical malpractice by letting him play on a fully torn ACL. Contrary to the BS that you guys are selling Alain has final say on whether a player plays or not. Not MOS, not the player themselves decides that.

Alain Couture is entering his 23rd season with the Winnipeg Football Club in 2025, overseeing the health and well-being of every player on the roster. Couture provides constant updates to the head coach on the health status of every player, and ultimately has the final say on whether they can return to the field after being injured.

Regardless...rostering a gimp isnt key to success and is dumb...why handicap your roster 

 

1 hour ago, ShyGuy said:

My dude, you are the only one who is going against what is being reported. Let's see your evidence that it was partially torn. We have one tweet from Tait saying it was torn. We have a sound bite from O'Shea saying yeah he tore it in Calgary. Not one time has the word 'partial' been uttered in the media in regards to Schoen. It follows that we should probably trust the team when they say it was ... torn

He won't provide any...and from what it's worth...let's just say I was rold torn...from the horses mouth...not partially...torn requiring surgery

I won't say what horse...but will say several in the stable

21 minutes ago, Booch said:

Regardless...rostering a gimp isnt key to success and is dumb...why handicap your roster 

 

He won't provide any...and from what it's worth...let's just say I was rold torn...from the horses mouth...not partially...torn requiring surgery

I won't say what horse...but will say several in the stable

I completely agree with the bolded and was only responding to the notion that Couture be investigated for letting Schoen play. Until you want to give us something more tangible then a "horses mouth that cannot be named" I will choose to give Couture the benefit of the doubt. I'm not saying you are lying, or even that you are wrong, because I don't know for sure I am not the Bomber's lead athletic therapist. He would know, Schoen would know, the Bombers coaching staff would know. Everything else  is 3rd/4th hand information and is not reliable.  When we are making accusations about a 23 year athletic therapists professional conduct we should back it up by more than a "horses mouth". These are serious allegations.

Sometimes as fans we want to **** on our team so bad when they are shitting on us that we can put innocent people in the crosshairs by slandering or libeling them. I am more likely to believe that this is the case here. I don't for one second think that our athletic therapist would have put his license on the line by clearing Schoen to play with a completely torn ACL. 

Edited September 15, 2025Sep 15 by GCn20

2 hours ago, ShyGuy said:

My dude, you are the only one who is going against what is being reported. Let's see your evidence that it was partially torn. We have one tweet from Tait saying it was torn. We have a sound bite from O'Shea saying yeah he tore it in Calgary. Not one time has the word 'partial' been uttered in the media in regards to Schoen. It follows that we should probably trust the team when they say it was ... torn

Partially torn is a torn ACL and is how it is commonly reported as simply a torn ACL. Did any of them say completely torn? Same thing. What was reported was that he had a torn ACL. Severity of the tear was not reported. What I do know is that you cannot rehab a torn ACL. It's impossible and Schoen was trying to rehab his after consulting with Couture about his options. Torn ACL has no options, it's surgery. So while I have nothing saying it was partially torn, you guys cannot point me to one single shred of evidence saying completely torn. Therefore, I will assume partially torn which you can rehab, and that our 23 year lead athletic therapist and one of the most respected athletic therapists in Canada knew his ****. You guys are literally accusing him of malpractice.

Edited September 15, 2025Sep 15 by GCn20

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

Partially torn is a torn ACL and is how it is commonly reported as simply a torn ACL. Did any of them say completely torn? Same thing. What was reported was that he had a torn ACL. Severity of the tear was not reported. What I do know is that you cannot rehab a torn ACL. It's impossible and Schoen was trying to rehab his after consulting with Couture about his options. Torn ACL has no options, it's surgery. So while I have nothing saying it was partially torn, you guys cannot point me to one single shred of evidence saying completely torn. Therefore, I will assume partially torn which you can rehab, and that our 23 year lead athletic therapist and one of the most respected athletic therapists in Canada knew his ****. You guys are literally accusing him of malpractice.

would they not have said partially torn then? If it was partial...

And he would have consulted with the physician first....not the AT....

You can sure....rehab a partially torn one minimally....and with success as a non-athlete....but without surgery the risk to fully tearing  a given playing sports....joe schmoe on the street can live with it....rest...therapy and drugs can help....but dont fix

also.....thing to consider...the recovery time for a partial tear is similar to that of a complete tear for both surgical and non surgical options....so there is that too, and no way shape or form did he accumulate 10 to 12 months of rehab on the 6 game (generally the timeframe to get back on field....not necessarily back to where you were) ....and why I say either way....there was no way any "rehab" was beneficial enough to allow him to play and was just postponing the inevitable....surgery and 12 months of rehab...and was stupid....not well thought out and pointless...as we saw

where is the literature regarding our therapist as most respected in Canada....curious....not saying he's not good...as he is and I have worked with him so know all about him...but I have never heard that said anywhere but here

2 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Partially torn is a torn ACL and is how it is commonly reported as simply a torn ACL.

[citation needed]

 

We are talking about an Athletic Therapist... not an orthopedic surgeon or anything too right? His job is to do non-invasive tests and then refer him to specialists. It's not going to be malpractice if he goes 'his knee is ******' and the specialist agrees, and the team allows him to trot himself out there in a huge ass knee brace to approximate the support a functioning ACL would give him. It might rise to the level of malpractice he is failed to (or incorrectly gave) give the Lachman test, and then sent him back out there with a couple strips of KT Tape or something... but obviously there was a plan, go on the 6 game, attempt to rehab, go out there in a brace and give it your best shot.

Some choice quotes about this

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/2025/09/05/schoens-2025-campaign-ends

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“He could’ve had surgery however many weeks ago, but he put the team first,” said quarterback Zach Collaros.

“I don’t know if there’s an example of a receiver trying to play through an injury like that. And then, as well as he played last game, I think he still won every rep that he took. I just love the guy, he’s so tough, and cares so much about his teammates, and specifically cares about the people in this building — that’s why he lays his body out on the line. I can’t say enough good things about Dalton.”

https://www.sportsnet.ca/cfl/article/blue-bombers-wr-dalton-schoen-out-for-season-with-torn-acl/

 

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Winnipeg Blue Bombers head coach Mike O’Shea told reporters on Friday that the talented receiver is out for the season.

He revealed Schoen tore the ACL in the July 3 road game against the Calgary Stampeders. Rather than have surgery like he did when he tore the same ACL in his left knee last year, Schoen tried to rehab it while on the six-game injured list.

 

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Bombers quarterback Zach Collaros said it’s “awesome” to have Wilson back, but he really feels for Schoen.

“Just selfless,” he said of Schoen. “What happened to his knee in Week 4 and then trying to rehab it as much as he possibly could to be back out there for the team … I don’t think should be discounted.”

But I think this argument is starting to miss the forest for the trees... what is absolutely fact is that going into a crucial home-and-home series against your biggest rival, immediately after a game where your backup QB (who also was less than 1 year removed from ACL surgery) had to take significant snaps at receiver, they decided the best thing for the WR corps was trotting out someone they KNEW only had one good knee... it was mostly just dumb luck that he made it all the way to the end of the game or else we would have been seeing more of Streveler WR4 again.

3 minutes ago, Booch said:

would they not have said partially torn then? If it was partial...

And he would have consulted with the physician first....not the AT....

You can sure....rehab a partially torn one minimally....and with success as a non-athlete....but without surgery the risk to fully tearing  a given playing sports....joe schmoe on the street can live with it....rest...therapy and drugs can help....but dont fix

also.....thing to consider...the recovery time for a partial tear is similar to that of a complete tear for both surgical and non surgical options....so there is that too, and no way shape or form did he accumulate 10 to 12 months of rehab on the 6 game (generally the timeframe to get back on field....not necessarily back to where you were) ....and why I say either way....there was no way any "rehab" was beneficial enough to allow him to play and was just postponing the inevitable....surgery and 12 months of rehab...and was stupid....not well thought out and pointless...as we saw

where is the literature regarding our therapist as most respected in Canada....curious....not saying he's not good...as he is and I have worked with him so know all about him...but I have never heard that said anywhere but here

https://www.bluebombers.com/alain-couture/

 

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Widely considered one of the best in his field by players, coaches, therapists and doctors across the Canadian Football League,

It would be funny if a team had a page for their Head Athletic Therapist and didn't goose him up a bit

"Hey this is our Athletic Therapist. He's pretty mid, but he tries his best and we love him anyways"