This is an argument between what is in the CBA and folks who think that the CBA doesn't apply to the third year. Facts vs conjecture.

Salary - Defined in the CBA for draft picks - What's outside the CBA for draft picks, doesn't matter.

Option - Defined in the CBA for draft picks - What's outside the CBA for draft picks, doesn't matter.

Zero proof for the idea that the 3rd year for draft picks doesn't matter & it's in the CBA that it does matter.

Zero proof that the league turned BC done because Rourke wasn't in his option year. Turned them down, yup, because it wasn't his option year, nope.

Zero examples of draft players in their 3rd year, since 2019 (That's the CBA we're looking at & I don't know if the clauses were in older CBA's), who got to ignore the 3rd year option in the CBA. One poser did say there were thousands of examples, but couldn't come up with any.

Disproving me? 🙄🤣

 

2 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

I wonder if they repeat the mike Reilly mistake and really breaks the bank for him. 

Be nice...and he also likely wont play 18 games then...and may regress in the process

21 hours ago, Booch said:

Again...overlooking the whole option part and not having to pick it up at the entry contract terms...which happens more times than not...just dont understand how u dont get that..like really??!!...man u musta been a treat to work with too

Again... the option part in stipulated in the Draft Pick section of the CBA. I'm not overlooking it, you and yours are.

Still no info on Brady's contract? If it's over the CBA amount for his year 3, then you win. If it's not, then more of:

CBA vs Opinion

CBA vs Same opinion only angry

CBA vs Same opinion even angrier

CBA vs Your a troll. Nobody likes you, go eat some worms

 

 

6 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

Again... the option part in stipulated in the Draft Pick section of the CBA. I'm not overlooking it, you and yours are.

Still no info on Brady's contract? If it's over the CBA amount for his year 3, then you win. If it's not, then more of:

CBA vs Opinion

CBA vs Same opinion only angry

CBA vs Same opinion even angrier

CBA vs Your a troll. Nobody likes you, go eat some worms

 

 

Brady is well over 100k...and there were multiple teams offering ...he took less to stay...so right there blows holes in your bound to that 3 yr option at 10%over 80k notion...time to move on

So this article from February indicates that Brady was. Free Agent heading in to this season and signed a 2 year deal. 
Based on the CBA being quoted how is a 2019 draftee going Into his third season a free agent? Either he didn’t have the 2 years plus a team option contract (contrary to CBA) or the team declined to utilize the option and signed him to a new 3 year deal. 
 

I don’t think this caN be taken as definitive proof in the Rourke case but I do believe it is proof that the quoted section of the CBA is not the only way things can happen in the third year. 
 

https://globalnews.ca/news/8600352/winnipeg-blue-bombers-agree-to-terms-with-two-more-pending-cfl-free-agents/#:~:text=And Winnipeg Blue Bombers General,2022 Canadian Football League season.

1 minute ago, GCJenks said:

So this article from February indicates that Brady was. Free Agent heading in to this season and signed a 2 year deal. 
Based on the CBA being quoted how is a 2019 draftee going Into his third season a free agent? Either he didn’t have the 2 years plus a team option contract (contrary to CBA) or the team declined to utilize the option and signed him to a new 3 year deal. 
 

I don’t think this caN be taken as definitive proof in the Rourke case but I do believe it is proof that the quoted section of the CBA is not the only way things can happen in the third year. 
 

https://globalnews.ca/news/8600352/winnipeg-blue-bombers-agree-to-terms-with-two-more-pending-cfl-free-agents/#:~:text=And Winnipeg Blue Bombers General,2022 Canadian Football League season.

Same with Kongbo....shepley...and many others...

1 hour ago, Booch said:

Be nice...and he also likely wont play 18 games then...and may regress in the process

I 100% expect to see some regression when ever he plays his second year. Long run if he sticks in the cfl he will be really good but it’s going to be a while before he returns to this years production. 

23 hours ago, Booch said:

Brady is well over 100k...and there were multiple teams offering ...he took less to stay...so right there blows holes in your bound to that 3 yr option at 10%over 80k notion...time to move on

Source for how much did he make in his 3rd season?

Brady was drafted in 2019, he theoretically should have signed a 2+1 deal then.

He signed a 2 year contract extension this off season.

What happened with contracts during the cancelled season? I know players didn't get paid, but did their contracts toll? Were all 2019 draft picked in their option year or were they playing out the 2nd actual year of their deal?

15 minutes ago, KshyGuy said:

Brady was drafted in 2019, he theoretically should have signed a 2+1 deal then.

He signed a 2 year contract extension this off season.

What happened with contracts during the cancelled season? I know players didn't get paid, but did their contracts toll? Were all 2019 draft picked in their option year or were they playing out the 2nd actual year of their deal?

Brady was drafted in 2019. From the CBA: Section 9.02 Length of First Contracts (starting in 2020)  Therefore, Brady, and everyone before him doesn't matter to the conversation.

Option does not equal mandatory... that's all that really needs to be said about any of this ridiculous argument.

What’s this argument all about?

Can I get a recap from the beginning asked the kid who sat first row middle right before the class was to be dismissed.

 

12 minutes ago, Sard said:

Option does not equal mandatory... that's all that really needs to be said about any of this ridiculous argument.

This. 

5 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

What’s this argument all about?

Can I get a recap from the beginning asked the kid who sat first row middle right before the class was to be dismissed.

 

16 minutes ago, Sard said:

Option does not equal mandatory... that's all that really needs to be said about any of this ridiculous argument.

Option means what it says it means in the CBA.

24 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

Option means what it says it means in the CBA.

Yet, you never bothered to read what an option year is in the CBA.

HINT: 

It has it's own separate section in the CBA from what you keep highlighting ad nauseum.

1 hour ago, TBURGESS said:

Option means what it says it means in the CBA.

I'll just leave this here:

optional

[ op-shuh-nl ]SHOW IPA

 

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adjective

left to one's choice; not required or mandatory:Formal dress is optional.

leaving something to choice.

OPTION in the same section as draft pick salary is the OPTION that is used for draft picks. It's contract 101.

Once again from the CBA: Option year base salary to be negotiated - not to exceed 10% more than the 2nd year base salary.

Some of you have the reading comprehension of a spoon.

Slightly different, but once more for those of you in the back who didn't hear right the first time:

option

[ op-shuhn ]SHOW IPA

 

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noun

1. the power or right of choosing.

2. something that may be or is chosen; choice.

3. the act of choosing.

4. an item of equipment or a feature that may be chosen as an addition to or replacement for standard equipment and features:

And this further definition of an Option Year:

 

Option Year means the additional twelve-month period that is added to the term of the Standard Player Contract of certain Rookies if the option provided for in Article V, Section 4 is exercised by the Team.

 

Bold emphasis is mine.

1 hour ago, TBURGESS said:

OPTION in the same section as draft pick salary is the OPTION that is used for draft picks. It's contract 101.

Once again from the CBA: Option year base salary to be negotiated - not to exceed 10% more than the 2nd year base salary.

Some of you have the reading comprehension of a spoon.

1 hour ago, TBURGESS said:

OPTION in the same section as draft pick salary is the OPTION that is used for draft picks. It's contract 101.

Once again from the CBA: Option year base salary to be negotiated - not to exceed 10% more than the 2nd year base salary.

Some of you have the reading comprehension of a spoon.

In the 2+1 Draft Pick Contract the "Option Year" is the +1.

Yes, the base salary of the "Option year" is required to be no more than 10% of the 2nd year base salary. What happens if the team chooses to not "opt into" the "Option Year" of the draftee? Are they (the draftee) required to sign a single year contract at a rate not more than 10% of their 2nd year salary with whoever will have them? Is any team that signs them for any length of time required to have that first year be no more than 10% of the 2nd year? 

 

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14 hours ago, TBURGESS said:

OPTION in the same section as draft pick salary is the OPTION that is used for draft picks. It's contract 101.

Once again from the CBA: Option year base salary to be negotiated - not to exceed 10% more than the 2nd year base salary.

Some of you have the reading comprehension of a spoon.

Again, no one is arguing with what the cba says about the amount of the option year only that they don't need to exercise the option year. 

What part of: not to exceed 10% more than the 2nd year base salary, is hard for people to comprehend?

If teams/players/agents could say that Option means what it means in a different part of the CBA, then there is no reason to put the option in the draft picks salary section because it wouldn't mean anything. The simple fact that it's there means it's the option that is allowed.

14 hours ago, KshyGuy said:

In the 2+1 Draft Pick Contract the "Option Year" is the +1.

Yes, the base salary of the "Option year" is required to be no more than 10% of the 2nd year base salary. What happens if the team chooses to not "opt into" the "Option Year" of the draftee? Are they (the draftee) required to sign a single year contract at a rate not more than 10% of their 2nd year salary with whoever will have them? Is any team that signs them for any length of time required to have that first year be no more than 10% of the 2nd year?

All Nationals will be required to sign a minimum 2 + 1 first contract and follow the salary grid. So yes, you still have to follow the salary grid even if you 'opt out' of the contract.

The reason for the language is that for 95% of the cases you are never going to exceed that. Some canadian DB? Maybe throw them a bone (up to 10% increase) in their option year and you have more than one year of control. Or cut them loose if they don't work out

When you have a generational Canadian QB (Rourke) or a very good receiver (KSB) you tear up the option year and keep them happy. This is a good look going forward because NCAA Canadians who might be considering doing the journeyman PR thing down south see that if they come back home and play well for a couple of years they will get paid one way or another.

 

  

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So yes, you still have to follow the salary grid even if you 'opt out' of the contract.

Also... if you opt out of the contract... you aren't on the first contract any more? why would you be beholden to the salary grid for 1st contracts at that point?

Edited November 22, 20223 yr by KshyGuy