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3 hours ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

I remember the movie “Internal Affairs” where Andy Garcia is being introduced into Internal Affairs as the new detective. The superintendent, basically a political hack, welcomes him with a speech about how the rumours about the hatred of cops investigating cops is overblown, how important the work is, how it is a necessary check on police misdeeds, and that this unit has the support and respect of the entire force - that they recognize his role in making the force more accountable and therefore better, an initiative all police believe in. The super leaves and Garcia’s unit sargeant, who stood by quietly while the speech was going on, shakes Garcia’s hand and says “Welcome to IA, you’ve just lost every friend you ever had in the LAPD”. The Blue Wall absolutely exists. Like Noah said, individuals can’t or won’t speak up against the system. 

To underscore your point, here is an article about an officer that was fired in 2008 for stopping another officer from choking a handcuffed suspect:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/14/us/buffalo-officer-reinstated-trnd/index.html

"The officer, Cariol Horne, was fired following a 2006 incident in which she tried to stop an officer from using a chokehold on a handcuffed suspect. Horne served on the Buffalo police force for 19 of the 20 years required to receive a pension.
"The message was sent that you don't cross that blue line and so some officers -- many officers don't," Horne said in a 2020 interview with CNN's Brianna Keilar.
"I had five children and I lost everything but [the suspect] did not lose his life," Horne said then. "So, if I have nothing else to live for in life, at least I can know that I did the right thing and that [he] still breathes."

 

I honestly wonder what would have happened if one of the other officers actually spoke up and forced Chauvin off of Floyd- I suspect that he would have a lot fewer friends in the department and probably reprimanded and would be an outcast... 

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20 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

Don’t recall if anyone got suspended, fired, or sued as a result. 
 

That was in Buffalo, the officer got 30 days unpaid suspension and is currently back on the payroll. The victim has recovered and is suing the city, the mayor, and the police. No idea how that will turn out. The body cam footage came out a few weeks ago. Not a good apple that one.

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Laura Ingraham Blames Familiar Scapegoat For Cop Killings Of Black People


The Fox News host went there after ex-Officer Kim Potter was charged with manslaughter in the shooting death of Daunte Wright.  Laura Ingraham on Wednesday blamed the news for police killings of Black people. 

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6 minutes ago, Tracker said:

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What kind of insecure ******* feels the need to get that physical with an old lady?

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27 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

What kind of insecure ******* feels the need to get that physical with an old lady?

A big part of police training is that they are told that when they enter an incident scene, they must immediately take charge and tolerate no questioning or dissent. The "logic" is that if they do not, they will lose control of the situation. "Taking charge" is subject to a large degree of interpretation and is situationally dependent, calling for judgement on the part of the officer. Unfortunately, some police cannot distinguish between minor and major incidents, and many take this attitude home with them, leading to a lot of failed marriages and violence. Police are one of the three professions with the highest domestic violence.

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12 minutes ago, JCon said:

At an anti-police violence rally, the police double down on police violence. 

The thing is that cop who gives him those unnecessary  shots will remain on the job. At best be scolded not to do that.

Next time he overreacts he may have his gun in hand. A part of what seems to be missing in their training is it is part of their job to NOT react.To NOT  get drawn in . 

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2 minutes ago, the watcher said:

The thing is that cop who gives him those unnecessary  shots will remain on the job. At best be scolded not to do that.

Next time he overreacts he may have his gun in hand. A part of what seems to be missing in their training is it is part of their job to NOT react.To NOT  get drawn in . 

Power tripping assholes sadly seem to get drawn to police work.

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1 minute ago, the watcher said:

The thing is that cop who gives him those unnecessary  shots will remain on the job. At best be scolded not to do that.

Next time he overreacts he may have his gun in hand. A part of what seems to be missing in their training is it is part of their job to NOT react.To NOT  get drawn in . 

They waited until he was secure then jumped him. It was a premeditated attack on an unarmed man. This is not a lack of training but an intentional assault. 

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16 minutes ago, JCon said:

They waited until he was secure then jumped him. It was a premeditated attack on an unarmed man. This is not a lack of training but an intentional assault. 

I think their issues rest on  both training and the vetting process ( or lack of it ) in their hiring process.  It also goes hand in hand with the race/ political issues. As I said the biggest problem is I bet he suffers no consequences for the punches. It wouldn't happen if he knew he would be fired over it. There is no accountability.

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The one thing you NEVER see in any of these videos is ANY attempt  by the police do descalate or calm things down. It should be there 1st  response. Or at least I think so. Back to the farm lessons lol , If you have wild horse or cow you don't start screaming at it and grabbing it. You talk quietly and calmly to bring it's level down. 

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I have a friend who is retired rcmp.

 

its not straightforward, what a person will do, how they will react, in some of these situations. 

 

although american police are clearly right out of control.

imagine being an iraqi under American occupation. I have a theory that a lot of  this is American military experiences abroad, now being brought home and inflicted on black and brown in America.

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50 minutes ago, the watcher said:

The one thing you NEVER see in any of these videos is ANY attempt  by the police do descalate or calm things down. It should be there 1st  response. Or at least I think so. Back to the farm lessons lol , If you have wild horse or cow you don't start screaming at it and grabbing it. You talk quietly and calmly to bring it's level down. 

To be fair, those videos exist they just don't go viral. We are a rage addicted society.

21 minutes ago, Mark F said:

I have a friend who is retired rcmp.

 

its not straightforward, what a person will do, how they will react, in some of these situations. 

 

although american police are clearly right out of control.

imagine being an iraqi under American occupation. I have a theory that a lot of  this is American military experiences abroad, now being brought home and inflicted on black and brown in America.

I was talking about this on the weekend with some family. Everyone is so scared on every side. It's the fearful policing the afraid. No trust on either side. Add in a lack of training and things aren't going to end well more often then they should.

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On 2021-04-15 at 12:56 PM, wanna-b-fanboy said:

To underscore your point, here is an article about an officer that was fired in 2008 for stopping another officer from choking a handcuffed suspect:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/14/us/buffalo-officer-reinstated-trnd/index.html

"The officer, Cariol Horne, was fired following a 2006 incident in which she tried to stop an officer from using a chokehold on a handcuffed suspect. Horne served on the Buffalo police force for 19 of the 20 years required to receive a pension.
"The message was sent that you don't cross that blue line and so some officers -- many officers don't," Horne said in a 2020 interview with CNN's Brianna Keilar.
"I had five children and I lost everything but [the suspect] did not lose his life," Horne said then. "So, if I have nothing else to live for in life, at least I can know that I did the right thing and that [he] still breathes."

 

I honestly wonder what would have happened if one of the other officers actually spoke up and forced Chauvin off of Floyd- I suspect that he would have a lot fewer friends in the department and probably reprimanded and would be an outcast... 

Who in their right mind who have good intentions, want to do good, want to protect and serve would want to be a police officer in this day in age?

What kinds of people are being drawn to law enforcement these days?

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5 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Who in their right mind who have good intentions, want to do good, want to protect and serve would want to be a police officer in this day in age?

What kinds of people are being drawn to law enforcement these days?

Most police officers and support still want to do good. Are good people. 

The issue is that "Blue Line", there needs to be systemic change. First off, they need to redivert funds for the police- basically unbundling the police. Take the burden of councilor, social worker and so on, off of policing duties and refocus on where actual police duties need to be. 

here is a great article on "unbundling the police"

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/unbundle-police/612913/

 

“Two questions that could guide the reform movement are ‘What is it that police actually do?’ and ‘Why do we need armed police to do it?’” says Patrick Sharkey, a Princeton sociologist. Sharkey is no police-hating radical. He has worked with commissioners across the country, and his research has shown that targeted policing can be effective in reducing crime, especially in the most violent neighborhoods. But he thinks communities ought to experiment with alternative models to policing. “Police presence can reduce violence, but there are lots of other things that reduce violence, too. Business improvement districts reduce violence. University security organizations reduce violence. It’s possible that relying on police isn’t as necessary as we once thought, and that we might even have safer communities without many of them.”

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For some reason I feel that even if he does get convicted, he isn't going to get a long jail sentence 

 

will there even be a civil suit if he walks? I mean I think Floyd's family now has stock in Disney as well as his daughter have a trust fund or something

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1 hour ago, iHeart said:

For some reason I feel that even if he does get convicted, he isn't going to get a long jail sentence 

 

will there even be a civil suit if he walks? I mean I think Floyd's family now has stock in Disney as well as his daughter have a trust fund or something

Qualified immunity. He can't be sued. Another GOP gift. 

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