17to85 Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 32 minutes ago, pigseye said: Trudeau pressed on allegations against former top military commander (msn.com) The Liberals just keep taking body shots, don't know how much longer they can keep standing? They will keep standing as long as the conservatives keep being run by the whackadoos in the party. Wideleft, Mark H., WildPath and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_gold_84 Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 21 minutes ago, pigseye said: How an opposition can't take down a government with this much baggage just shows how sad politics in Canada is right now. Or it shows how pitifully inept Canada's federal conservative party has become post-Harper, under leaders placeholders like Milkman Andy and Erin the Tool. Neither have shown any real ability to function as an opposition and hold the current gov't to task without skipping through their own minefield of controversial issues, many of them self-inflicted. And let's be honest here: the Trudeau Liberals have given them several easy pitches to knock out of the park. It's almost as if the Regressive Conservatives are out of touch with reality these days. And FTR, Canada's inability to produce its own vaccine supply goes back to when the Mulroney PCs opted to privatize Connaught Labs, a world leader in its day, and sell it off to foreign interests. That decision ultimately shed light on the falsehood that privatization is always better. https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2020/03/11/the-public-lab-that-could-have-helped-fight-covid-19-pandemic.html https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2020/11/30/when-canada-was-a-world-leader-in-vaccine-research-and-production.html Tracker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 our political "controversies" are so incredibly minor compared to other countries, it's laughable. The Grits, for all their faults, are still far and away the best option for Canada right now, and if we do end up having an election in the spring, Trudeau might even win a majority. Wideleft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 39 minutes ago, pigseye said: The hits just keep on coming Minister’s office knew of concerns about Vance in 2018: sources (msn.com) Another coverup. There is nowhere in any of the reports that this was a coercive relationship. No question that it was highly inappropriate, given the difference in the ranks, but it was an essentially mutually consenting relationship between two adults. It ought to have led to a dismissal if verified, but these things are very difficult to prove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, pigseye said: Trudeau pressed on allegations against former top military commander (msn.com) The Liberals just keep taking body shots, don't know how much longer they can keep standing? Trudeau's teflon like Clinton. Also they scored major points during covid. F'd up not starting our own vaccine facility a year ago but probably wouldnt be finished before C19 is over. Oh well there's always C20. Edited February 4, 2021 by FrostyWinnipeg Tracker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 hour ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: Trudeau's teflon like Clinton. Also they scored major points during covid. F'd up not starting our own vaccine facility a year ago but probably wouldnt be finished before C19 is over. Oh well there's always C20. He's Teflon in Ontario, which is all that matters. Even Singh is hacking on him now about the vaccine. 1 hour ago, blue_gold_84 said: Or it shows how pitifully inept Canada's federal conservative party has become post-Harper, under leaders placeholders like Milkman Andy and Erin the Tool. Neither have shown any real ability to function as an opposition and hold the current gov't to task without skipping through their own minefield of controversial issues, many of them self-inflicted. And let's be honest here: the Trudeau Liberals have given them several easy pitches to knock out of the park. It's almost as if the Regressive Conservatives are out of touch with reality these days. And FTR, Canada's inability to produce its own vaccine supply goes back to when the Mulroney PCs opted to privatize Connaught Labs, a world leader in its day, and sell it off to foreign interests. That decision ultimately shed light on the falsehood that privatization is always better. https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2020/03/11/the-public-lab-that-could-have-helped-fight-covid-19-pandemic.html https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2020/11/30/when-canada-was-a-world-leader-in-vaccine-research-and-production.html Conservative are a **** show but so are the Liberals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 It has come down to the lesser of evils, but it does not take much imagination to visualize what the responses to the COVID pandemic would have been had O'Toole and his merry men had been in charge- Alberta gives a pretty good hint. Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 37 minutes ago, Tracker said: It has come down to the lesser of evils, but it does not take much imagination to visualize what the responses to the COVID pandemic would have been had O'Toole and his merry men had been in charge- Alberta gives a pretty good hint. Not really. Manitoba has done just fine, and O'toole is an easterner not a Wild Roser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 minute ago, pigseye said: Not really. Manitoba has done just fine, and O'toole is an easterner not a Wild Roser. Manitoba has not done "just fine", as the COVID response has shown. It doesn't matter that O'Toole is an Easterner- he walks the party line which is largely set by the Alberta and Alliance people. O'Toole has shown us that he is not a leader who aspires his party to be better, and his tolerance of the nuts in his party and his fawning over Trump proves. pigseye and Noeller 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 50 minutes ago, Tracker said: It has come down to the lesser of evils, but it does not take much imagination to visualize what the responses to the COVID pandemic would have been had O'Toole and his merry men had been in charge- Alberta gives a pretty good hint. I think it would have been the same but more $ for biz. pigseye 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 Every province with a CON Premier had an awful COVID19 response, and you know that O'Toole is cut from the same cloth. Again, prioritizing $$$ ahead of lives is what they're all about. And a pandemic is not the time for that. I've said from Day 1, I was so incredibly thankful we had the Lib's in charge when the pandemic hit. I only wish Rachel Notley was still in charge in Alberta. Tracker, Mark F, WildPath and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 4 hours ago, blue_gold_84 said: Regressive Conservatives Perfect. Gonna use that from now on. blue_gold_84 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Noeller said: Every province with a CON Premier had an awful COVID19 response, and you know that O'Toole is cut from the same cloth. Again, prioritizing $$$ ahead of lives is what they're all about. And a pandemic is not the time for that. I've said from Day 1, I was so incredibly thankful we had the Lib's in charge when the pandemic hit. I only wish Rachel Notley was still in charge in Alberta. BC had a higher per capita case count than Ontario but let's not let facts get in the way. Every Province has taken their turn sucking. GCJenks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 28 minutes ago, pigseye said: BC had a higher per capita case count than Ontario but let's not let facts get in the way. Every Province has taken their turn sucking. BC's response, at least the first go 'round, was internationally recognizes as successful under CMOH Bonnie Henry. They had some kinda article on her in the New York Times back in the spring, and she was seen as the leading authority among CMOH's across North America. JCon, blue_gold_84 and Mark F 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Noeller said: BC's response, at least the first go 'round, was internationally recognizes as successful under CMOH Bonnie Henry. They had some kinda article on her in the New York Times back in the spring, and she was seen as the leading authority among CMOH's across North America. citizenry in B.C. did not take this seriously enough. lots of people did not wear a mask till it became law to do so. in fact I would say the majority did not. trump effect I guess. after initial great performance, there was a lot self congratulating, and people,decided it was over. just my humble opinion Edited February 5, 2021 by Mark F pigseye 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Tracker said: Manitoba has not done "just fine", as the COVID response has shown. It doesn't matter that O'Toole is an Easterner- he walks the party line which is largely set by the Alberta and Alliance people. O'Toole has shown us that he is not a leader who aspires his party to be better, and his tolerance of the nuts in his party and his fawning over Trum 1 hour ago, Noeller said: BC's response, at least the first go 'round, was internationally recognizes as successful under CMOH Bonnie Henry. They had some kinda article on her in the New York Times back in the spring, and she was seen as the leading authority among CMOH's across North America. Don't argue with people who don't care about facts. It's all make believe and jewish space lasers with the alt-right. Edited February 5, 2021 by JCon Noeller, Wanna-B-Fanboy, pigseye and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 To be fair here chaps - Manitoba did do alright in the ‘first go round.’ rebusrankin, GCJenks and Noeller 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mark H. said: To be fair here chaps - Manitoba did do alright in the ‘first go round.’ It has nothing to do with fair or facts, just confirmation bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 4 hours ago, Noeller said: BC's response, at least the first go 'round, was internationally recognizes as successful under CMOH Bonnie Henry. They had some kinda article on her in the New York Times back in the spring, and she was seen as the leading authority among CMOH's across North America. The BC/AB do not impress me. Speak softly and people will listen. No! What you need is someone like Sam Kinison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 13 hours ago, JCon said: Don't argue with people who don't care about facts. It's all make believe and jewish space lasers with the alt-right. No need to flame JCon, you are bigger than that. How Ottawa utterly botched Canada's COVID vaccine acquisition (msn.com) Quote Recent analysis by The Economist found that while virtually all of Europe will be fully vaccinated by the end of this year, the earliest Canada can hope for is mid-2022 . Quote But only days after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced the arrangement, China shut off all shipments of the CanSino vaccine to Canada in what is believed to have been a spiteful retaliation for the continued imprisonment of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou in Vancouver. In hindsight, it may have been a bad idea to bet the country’s pandemic recovery on one of Canada’s top geopolitical enemies. Should have made the swap for the two Michaels like I said. This is going to bring down the Liberal Government and rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 The most vulnerable will get vaccinated, which should allow restrictions to be permanently loosened. Noeller, Tracker and blue_gold_84 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 lol @ mid-2022.... no. Anyone who wants one will have it this year for sure. In fact, I'm still optimistic about the plan to have almost everyone done by September. Once the factories are back up and running in Europe and things start rolling again, there will be a lot less hand wringing. Wideleft and Sard 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 The federal government is still standing by their September prediction. Assuming all these additional vaccines get approved I would tend to believe that it can get done this year. The problem of course will be the anti-vaxxers simply refusing to get vaccinations which will allow this thing to be a problem longer than it should. Noeller, Sard, JCon and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 Right from the mouth of one of your own Quote Green Party Leader Annamie Paul said Canada's reliance on the program for additional doses harms the country's international reputation. She also said Canada's move to take doses from COVAX could prolong transmission of the virus elsewhere and allow more variants to arise. What is COVAX and why is Canada getting backlash for receiving vaccines from it? | CBC News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 hour ago, 17to85 said: The problem of course will be the anti-vaxxers simply refusing to get vaccinations which will allow this thing to be a problem longer than it should. The anti - mask / anti - lockdown are often also the anti - vaxxers. blue_gold_84, Noeller and Wideleft 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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