I didn't think we had a thread for this. 

Is Trudeau this out of touch or does he just not care?

 

14 minutes ago, pigseye said:

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/oecd-404869006.html

Well, I couldn't find anything more recent but it seems clear that Manitoba has failed compared to other provinces. Why not try what is working elsewhere in the country?

 

Because of completely different socio economic conditions.  MB vs NS?

Tomorrow should be interesting.  All signs point to a larger PC majority.  54% support, their rural seats are all entrenched, and numerous NDP seats were won by less than 500 votes in 2016 - they could easily swing.  

8 hours ago, Mark H. said:

Tomorrow should be interesting.  All signs point to a larger PC majority.  54% support, their rural seats are all entrenched, and numerous NDP seats were won by less than 500 votes in 2016 - they could easily swing.  

Suspect same PC # seats. Might lose one, gain one.

I'm guessing Kewatinook and Thompson back to the NDP, plus four Winnipeg seats. PCs lose four, Libs lose two. Upset: Greens take Wolseley!

PC - 36, NDP - 19, Lib - 2, Green - 1.

Selkirk was always an NDP stronghold. They are running a better candidate this time (incumbent retired last time) so that riding could swing in spite of the boundary changes. 

I hope you all exercised your right / responsibility to vote today. 

1 hour ago, Mark H. said:

I hope you all exercised your right / responsibility to vote today. 

I voted in the advanced polls.

1 hour ago, Mark H. said:

I hope you all exercised your right / responsibility to vote today. 

I did last Thursday. Hope my strategic voting pays off... I feel dirty.

I like voting on Election Day because they use the Netley Hall. It’s a refurbished former country school - one of the few still in existence. 

#localhistorynerd 

I used to vote on Election day, but ever since I got my job (and it's a long ways by bus) I figured I'm better off voting early

10 hours ago, Mark H. said:

Selkirk was always an NDP stronghold. They are running a better candidate this time (incumbent retired last time) so that riding could swing in spite of the boundary changes. 

No swing in sight...

14 hours ago, nate007 said:

I'm guessing Kewatinook and Thompson back to the NDP, plus four Winnipeg seats. PCs lose four, Libs lose two. Upset: Greens take Wolseley!

PC - 36, NDP - 19, Lib - 2, Green - 1.

Decent predictions - those greens though...

51% voter turned out according to my aunt, before I went to bed it was less than 31

1 hour ago, iHeart said:

51% voter turned out according to my aunt, before I went to bed it was less than 31

I think a sense of inevitability combined with a lack of a major change issue and less people wanting to hold their nose and vote for Wab.  

PC's a bit soft which they should be cognizant of.  Without debating the early call, probably deserving of more time to initiative their vision.

Was a little off in my predictions. Those Greens can't get a break! 

Wheeler gets 237 votes in McPhillips...

Didn't watch much election coverage, but did catch an in-studio interview at CBC where they interviewed a 'former social worker' who appeared to be in her early 20s (at least she dressed and spoke like she was). She lamented the PC victory, and said that they were going to cause people to 'start dying in ER waiting rooms'. Um, maybe pick up an old newspaper or something...

Edited September 11, 20196 yr by nate007

Did the Liberals even retain party status?

1 minute ago, Piggy 1 said:

Did the Liberals even retain party status?

No, you need four seats for official party status. 

4 minutes ago, JCon said:

No, you need four seats for official party status. 

Yeah , Right after i posted that , i seen it on the news . They cant seem to get it together,

26 minutes ago, nate007 said:

Was a little off in my predictions. Those Greens can't get a break! 

Wheeler gets 237 votes in McPhillips...

Didn't watch much election coverage, but did catch an in-studio interview at CBC where they interviewed a 'former social worker' who appeared to be in her early 20s (at least she dressed and spoke like she was). She lamented the PC victory, and said that they were going to cause people to 'start dying in ER waiting rooms'. Um, maybe pick up an old newspaper or something...

The NDP were pretty disingenuous about ER's.  Firstly, they cant speak on health care after their 17 years in power.  I can appreciate a debate over Urgent Care vs ER's but I felt they werent being honest.  Trying to make it seem like those buildings were closed down.  I've had family go to Victoria Hsp Urgent Care just as they always did when it was an ER.  

Who was in power when people died in ER's....?

Canadian elections these days, it's a choice between a giant ****** or a turd sandwich. That's why voter turn out is so low. Can't imagine how few people will vote federally either given the horrendous choices of leaders we got there. 

5 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

The NDP were pretty disingenuous about ER's.  Firstly, they cant speak on health care after their 17 years in power.  I can appreciate a debate over Urgent Care vs ER's but I felt they werent being honest.  Trying to make it seem like those buildings were closed down.  I've had family go to Victoria Hsp Urgent Care just as they always did when it was an ER.  

Who was in power when people died in ER's....?

Yeah reflecting on that is a difficult one. Anyone that works in health care can clearly see how things have gotten exponentially worse for providing care in the last three years. But how do you make that argument, and make it tangible without referencing the ER closures/restructuring/whatever you want to call it.

It's the behind the scenes stuff - rampant OT, experienced care providers saying **** it and retiring, cutting of basic services, putting pressure extra pressure on those still remaining, forced restructuring votes, general quality of care that has gone to crap that are the real issues that are hard to get across to people that don't stop to think or analyse (looking for the sound bite).

23 minutes ago, itchy said:

Yeah reflecting on that is a difficult one. Anyone that works in health care can clearly see how things have gotten exponentially worse for providing care in the last three years. But how do you make that argument, and make it tangible without referencing the ER closures/restructuring/whatever you want to call it.

It's the behind the scenes stuff - rampant OT, experienced care providers saying **** it and retiring, cutting of basic services, putting pressure extra pressure on those still remaining, forced restructuring votes, general quality of care that has gone to crap that are the real issues that are hard to get across to people that don't stop to think or analyse (looking for the sound bite).

Interestingly the couple people I know in health care would disagree, feeling the plan has a lot of merit.  Needs better execution.  The change from ER to urgent care impacts very few.  Rural health care is arguably improved significantly.  17 years of NDP was rough.  Going to take more than 3 years to fix.  

44 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Interestingly the couple people I know in health care would disagree, feeling the plan has a lot of merit.  Needs better execution.  The change from ER to urgent care impacts very few.  Rural health care is arguably improved significantly.  17 years of NDP was rough.  Going to take more than 3 years to fix.  

Where I notice the biggest difference is in long term care. ER and Urgent care get the attention, and thus not as adversely affected. I have noticed a de-centralization effort, that has some benefits and drawbacks.

2 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

The NDP were pretty disingenuous about ER's.  Firstly, they cant speak on health care after their 17 years in power.  I can appreciate a debate over Urgent Care vs ER's but I felt they werent being honest.  Trying to make it seem like those buildings were closed down.  I've had family go to Victoria Hsp Urgent Care just as they always did when it was an ER.  

Who was in power when people died in ER's....?

I was specifically referencing Brian Sinclair, so that was during the NDP's time.

We're pretty close to the Vic, and it was still fantastic the last time someone in the family needed stitches. The bottom line is that if you didn't call 911 and aren't riding in an ambulance, you probably don't need an ER and an Urgent Care will serve you just fine. All the people complaining about needing to 'drive all the way across the city' for an ER are either mis-informed, mis-using them, or (were) using scare tactics to try to get votes.

45 minutes ago, nate007 said:

I was specifically referencing Brian Sinclair, so that was during the NDP's time.

We're pretty close to the Vic, and it was still fantastic the last time someone in the family needed stitches. The bottom line is that if you didn't call 911 and aren't riding in an ambulance, you probably don't need an ER and an Urgent Care will serve you just fine. All the people complaining about needing to 'drive all the way across the city' for an ER are either mis-informed, mis-using them, or (were) using scare tactics to try to get votes.

I don't think anyone is all up in arms about requiring stitches and are upset because the ER is closed... 

Since all the ers closed.... they get diverted to the only two ers left... and each one of them are crazy over loaded, over worked and don't have enough space. The practice of hallway medicine is worse now than before- it used to be an issue with insufficient bed space, now it's an issue of insufficient beds with monitoring stations for those that need it in the ER.