Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

12 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

interesting.  I don't think I've seen him referred to as "Former President Trump" on right-wing nutjob TV.  It's always "President Trump." 

Reality is like water, in the long run it gets inside...

23 hours ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Isn’t fraud criminal? Yea I know I’m having a hard time keeping up.

I'm not 100% on all of the details of why this is civil instead of criminal .. but one thing I did note about the NY lawsuit is that the AG is asking for Trump and his fleshy brood to be excluded from corporate governance or ownership in New York state forever, which is a pretty significant penalty.  They're also asking for a quarter billion dollars but I think that's probably just icing.

 

Edited September 22, 20223 yr by johnzo

So, as I understand it, the FBI planted Hillary's emails, that Trump had already declassified, with his mind, then raided Mar-A-Lago to get them back.
There should be an investigation....

Don't blame the FBI for this.  They're just following the instructions from the DemocratMasterPlan2022.pdf file they found on Hunter Biden's laptop.

1 hour ago, JCon said:

Imagine thinking this man is smart. Where are they now? 

it is his greatest hit. it got him the Presidency. 

so he keeps playing it. Probably gets more money every time.

I think most of his fans have brain damage.

  

Edited September 22, 20223 yr by Mark F

interesting Trump statement yesterday re classified docs, fox interview.

 

"“Because you’re sending it, to Mar-a-Lago or wherever you’re sending it. And there can be a process, but there doesn’t have to be. You’re the president. You make that decision. So when you send it, it’s declassified. I declassified everything.”

 

57 minutes ago, johnzo said:

interesting.  I don't think I've seen him referred to as "Former President Trump" on right-wing nutjob TV.  It's always "President Trump." 

Reality is like water, in the long run it gets inside...

I'm not 100% on all of the details of why this is civil instead of criminal .. but one thing I did note about the NY lawsuit is that the AG is asking for Trump and his fleshy brood to be excluded from corporate governance or ownership in New York state forever, which is a pretty significant penalty.  They're also asking for a quarter billion dollars but I think that's probably just icing.

 

In a criminal proceeding, the onus is on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. In civil proceedings, it comes down to a preponderance of evidence (a simple majority of proof). With civil court, there is no threat of incarceration, except in a very rare circumstance, but a massive judgement stripping Trump of both his aura of invincibility and a great deal of his liquid wealth would both render him an object of pity and do more harm to his psyche than a jail would. Jailing him might give him the persona of a martyr, but a civil conviction would reveal him as he really is: a ego-inflated liar and thief, much, much poorer than he would have people believe.

Trump-Backed House Candidate Argued Against Women's Right To Vote

A Michigan GOP congressional nominee supported by former President Donald Trump once said the country would be better if women could not govern or vote, and argued that patriarchy “is the best model for the continued success of a society.”

John Gibbs made the sexist arguments online in the early 2000s while he was a student at Stanford University, according to CNN’s KFile, which unearthed pages from his site via internet archive services.
Gibbs, who worked in the Trump administration’s Department of Housing and Urban Development, won Michigan’s GOP primary against incumbent Rep. Peter Meijer, one of 10 Republicans who voted to impeach Trump over the Capitol riot. He faces Democrat Hillary Scholten in the November election.

Gibbs founded what he called a “think tank” named the Society for the Critique of Feminism, which was hosted on his personal page at Stanford in 2000 and 2001. On that forum, he argued that the country would be better off if women could not vote or govern, asserted that women are not as capable as men at thinking logically “without relying upon emotional reasoning,” and contended it’s not a father’s “primary task” to raise children, “whereas it is the mother’s.”

“Some argue that in a democratic society, it is hypocritical or unjust for women, who are 50% of the population, not to have the vote,” Gibbs argued. “This is obviously not true, since the founding fathers, who understood liberty and democracy better than anyone, did not believe so. In addition, all people under age 18 cannot vote, although they too comprise a significant portion of the population. So we cannot say that women should be able to vote simply because they are a large part of the population.”

At the end of that argument, he wrote: “Thus, we conclude that increasing the size and scope of government is unequivocally bad. And since women’s suffrage has caused this to occur on a larger scale than any other cause in history, we conclude that the United States has suffered as a result of women’s suffrage.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/john-gibbs-women-sexism-republican_n_632be3e1e4b0013f244da138

(Can you imagine what a precedent this would set?)

54 minutes ago, Mark F said:

I think most of his fans have brain damage.

  

It’s not about stupidity in that sense. It’s really more about gullibility, and it’s not really a Trump thing. It’s more about “owning the Libs”, Trump is just the convenient figurehead at the moment and can be replaced by DeSantis, just like Trump replaced McConnell. And the Democrats have joined the fray. It isn’t about what your side’s policies are, it’s about what you believe the other side’s agenda is and labelling it “the boogeyman”. Elections now are really pretty much one-issue votes: “How do you keep the other side out of power?” Whatever their platform is. For Dems, you attach women’s reproductive rights, vote-rigging, fascism, destroying democracy, and unfair lying politics to the other side and say “bad” without offering an agenda other than “we can’t allow that to happen”. Republicans scream “socialist communism”, “crime ridden cities” and “border crisis” and attach it to Dems, and say “bad” without offering an agenda other than “we can’t allow this to happen”. And gullible people, without really believing the mouthpieces that spew this, buy into the concept of the rhetoric to support their fear of “other” and find a scapegoat for their own failings. 

Edited September 22, 20223 yr by TrueBlue4ever

And now Trumpers are saying that the FBI was really looking for Hillary Clinton's lost emails. 

4 minutes ago, Tracker said:

And now Trumpers are saying that the FBI was really looking for Hillary Clinton's lost emails. 

Good thing she transferred the lot to Hunter, before testifying in front of the House....

QAnon Prepping For Trump to Regain Presidency on 9/24, With a ‘Simpsons’ Episode as Prophetic Basis
QAnon believers are prepping for something big this Saturday: the anticipated reinstatement of former president Donald Trump, by way of electromagnetism.
https://www.mediaite.com/news/qanon-is-prepping-for-trump-to-regain-presidency-on-september-24-cite-simpsons-episode-as-proof/

Um, ok.....

7 minutes ago, do or die said:

QAnon Prepping For Trump to Regain Presidency on 9/24, With a ‘Simpsons’ Episode as Prophetic Basis
QAnon believers are prepping for something big this Saturday: the anticipated reinstatement of former president Donald Trump, by way of electromagnetism.
https://www.mediaite.com/news/qanon-is-prepping-for-trump-to-regain-presidency-on-september-24-cite-simpsons-episode-as-proof/

Um, ok.....

This is what we are dealing with. The contingent of people out there saying ‘both sides I’m a moderate’ do sanity no favours.

9 minutes ago, do or die said:

QAnon Prepping For Trump to Regain Presidency on 9/24, With a ‘Simpsons’ Episode as Prophetic Basis
QAnon believers are prepping for something big this Saturday: the anticipated reinstatement of former president Donald Trump, by way of electromagnetism.
https://www.mediaite.com/news/qanon-is-prepping-for-trump-to-regain-presidency-on-september-24-cite-simpsons-episode-as-proof/

Um, ok.....

Truly the dumbest people. Good thing all their money is going to Trump, so that he keep his lavish lifestyle. 

Just now, HardCoreBlue said:

This is what we are dealing with. The contingent of people out there saying ‘both sides I’m a moderate’ do sanity no favours.

No, they're "conservatives". They don't even know what that means or how to spell it. 

oh please if the simpsons were accurate I would be sitting on a toilet recliner on game day instead of going upstairs

1 minute ago, iHeart said:

oh please if the simpsons were accurate I would be sitting on a toilet recliner on game day instead of going upstairs

TMI, iHeart, TMI. 

1 minute ago, JCon said:

TMI, iHeart, TMI. 

It's a joke JCon

Fun Fact:
Trump’s lawyers are working Pro Bono . . . they just don’t know it yet.

1 minute ago, do or die said:

Fun Fact:
Trump’s lawyers are working Pro Bono . . . they just don’t know it yet.

Yup better cash that third party out of state cheque tout suite. 

29 minutes ago, do or die said:

QAnon Prepping For Trump to Regain Presidency on 9/24, With a ‘Simpsons’ Episode as Prophetic Basis
QAnon believers are prepping for something big this Saturday: the anticipated reinstatement of former president Donald Trump, by way of electromagnetism.
https://www.mediaite.com/news/qanon-is-prepping-for-trump-to-regain-presidency-on-september-24-cite-simpsons-episode-as-proof/

Um, ok.....

I’ve lost count, but what number is higher- the number of times someone has floated a date for TFG’s reinstatement since his election defeat, or the number of times Majorie Taylor Greene has filed articles of impeachment against Joe Biden in the House? Both numbers are over 10 times each. 

Well, my house is now worth $4,578,000.00
Because I gave it a great deal of thought....,...

I just want to know if OJ's long sought real killer was also hiding out at Mars Lago, planted their by the FBI.

Says more about the people that support him that he has been able to con so many 

19 minutes ago, bustamente said:

Says more about the people that support him that he has been able to con so many 

Thats it in a nutshell. 

1 hour ago, do or die said:

Fun Fact:
Trump’s lawyers are working Pro Bono . . . they just don’t know it yet.

Nope. They demanded and received a 3 million dollar retainer. Their financial butts are covered, but this lot are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.