Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-quit-costco-letter/

One of the problems with Trump, is you never are really entirely sure if this is something he would do or not.  

True or not it's funny as hell. Bravo. 

49 minutes ago, pigseye said:

It's about the lawyers,especially Rudy, not the circumstantial evidence, try to keep up.

No it's not. Rudy has been making an ass of himself trying to defend Trump for a long time now. Trying to shift focus onto how useless he is is just more of the distraction technique from the alt-right. 

The point is and always has been, where is the evidence that the election was stolen.

4 minutes ago, Rich said:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-quit-costco-letter/

One of the problems with Trump, is you never are really entirely sure if this is something he would do or not.  

Thank you for the correction. 

Does anyone really believe that Trump has a Costco card and if he did does he use his ID when he buys cereal

Just now, 17to85 said:

No it's not. Rudy has been making an ass of himself trying to defend Trump for a long time now. Trying to shift focus onto how useless he is is just more of the distraction technique from the alt-right. 

The point is and always has been, where is the evidence that the election 

You don't understand and I'm not going to explain it to you. Read the link if you want to know what happened. 

Where is the evidence?

9 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Where is the evidence?

The only evidence was circumstantial which is why Rudy had try to make a case out of a couple hundred dead people voting. But hey at 20 grand a day why not. Probably why he was juiced every day. 

3 hours ago, pigseye said:

You don't understand and I'm not going to explain it to you. Read the link if you want to know what happened. 

The link shows that there really wasn’t any evidence.  

44 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

The link shows that there really wasn’t any evidence.  

I understand...

10 hours ago, pigseye said:

The only evidence was circumstantial which is why Rudy had try to make a case out of a couple hundred dead people voting. But hey at 20 grand a day why not. Probably why he was juiced every day. 

Aka it was all bullshit?

 

 

According to Republicans lying is protected free speech, next inciting violence is a right to stay in power, lets just forget the whole thing until the next time

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Aka it was all bullshit?

 

 

Of course it was all bullshit. 

14 hours ago, Rich said:

One of the problems with Trump, is you never are really entirely sure if this is something he would do or 

Trump is not capable of composing a letter of that length.

1 hour ago, bustamente said:

According to Republicans lying is protected free speech, next inciting violence is a right to stay in power, lets just forget the whole thing until the next time

There was a court decision in the  states ten or so years ago, that there is no legal obligation to be truthful in advertising.

can not find  it to post here.

they have some very odd law in the States.

Edited February 8, 20215 yr by Mark F

Third, the demographic profile of the suspected Capitol rioters is different from that of past right-wing extremists. The average age of the arrestees we studied is 40. Two-thirds are 35 or older, and 40 percent are business owners or hold white-collar jobs. Unlike the stereotypical extremist, many of the alleged participants in the Capitol riot have a lot to lose. They work as CEOs, shop owners, doctors, lawyers, IT specialists, and accountants. Strikingly, court documents indicate that only 9 percent are unemployed. Of the earlier far-right-extremist suspects we studied, 61 percent were under 35, 25 percent were unemployed, and almost none worked in white-collar occupations.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/the-capitol-rioters-arent-like-other-extremists/617895/

 

10 minutes ago, Mark F said:

Third, the demographic profile of the suspected Capitol rioters is different from that of past right-wing extremists. The average age of the arrestees we studied is 40. Two-thirds are 35 or older, and 40 percent are business owners or hold white-collar jobs. Unlike the stereotypical extremist, many of the alleged participants in the Capitol riot have a lot to lose. They work as CEOs, shop owners, doctors, lawyers, IT specialists, and accountants. Strikingly, court documents indicate that only 9 percent are unemployed. Of the earlier far-right-extremist suspects we studied, 61 percent were under 35, 25 percent were unemployed, and almost none worked in white-collar occupations.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/the-capitol-rioters-arent-like-other-extremists/617895/

 

Sounds like fantasy to me, everyone knows that Trump supporters are uneducated red necks. 

 

We all know how Senator impeachment trial will go, the evidence is damming, yet more Republican Senators will set precedence and will vote to acquit and will have their names forever associated with the worst POTUS in the history of the United States who lied about the results tried to change the election by trying to strong arm officials and when that didn't work lathered his crazed rubes to storm the Capitol looking for blood. After this vote Democrats should first get rid of the filibuster and then ram thru their agenda and pretend like the Republicans don't exist make them irrelevant.

Pot meet kettle

N.Y. Rep. Brindisi concedes to Republican Claudia Tenney, ending country’s last open congressional race (msn.com)

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Still, Brindisi issued a bitter lament about what he called a ballot-counting process “riddled with errors, inconsistencies and systematic violations of state and federal laws.”

 

 

18 minutes ago, bustamente said:

We all know how Senator impeachment trial will go, the evidence is damming, yet more Republican Senators will set precedence and will vote to acquit and will have their names forever associated with the worst POTUS in the history of the United States who lied about the results tried to change the election by trying to strong arm officials and when that didn't work lathered his crazed rubes to storm the Capitol looking for blood. After this vote Democrats should first get rid of the filibuster and then ram thru their agenda and pretend like the Republicans don't exist make them irrelevant.

There is a downside to the Democrats steamrolling the GOP. The GOP and their adherents have been wringing their hands and crying that they have been victimized for decades, even during the Trump ascendancy. They now can amplify their jeremiads and this will likely provoke their rabid followers to even more violence.

6 hours ago, Tracker said:

There is a downside to the Democrats steamrolling the GOP. The GOP and their adherents have been wringing their hands and crying that they have been victimized for decades, even during the Trump ascendancy. They now can amplify their jeremiads and this will likely provoke their rabid followers to even more violence.

Still beats having the previous President and his administration crapping all over every known democratic norm, though,......

I don’t this is going to happen:

a) The Republicans won’t vote for it.

b) The U.S. constitution has no provisions for impeaching a president, once he’s out of office.

1 hour ago, Mark H. said:

I don’t this is going to happen:

a) The Republicans won’t vote for it.

b) The U.S. constitution has no provisions for impeaching a president, once he’s out of office.

Here is an article about the provisions of the Constitution about impeachment and the precedent for impeaching someone out of office. And as a matter of logic, every single outgoing President between losing the election and Inauguration Day could essentially break the law with reckless abandon and fear no consequence if impeachment were not allowed for someone out of office. That defies all common sense. 
 

https://www.justsecurity.org/74226/history-shows-the-senate-can-hold-an-impeachment-trial-after-trump-leaves-office/

Edited February 9, 20214 yr by TrueBlue4ever

Republicans defend Trump ahead of impeachment trial by blaming Nancy Pelosi for Capitol riot

GOP shifts blame to Democrats for Capitol riot, call impeachment a “diversionary operation”

As Donald Trump's second impeachment trial looms near, bringing the former president's incitement of insurrection into greater focus once again, members of the GOP are –– in another ambitious act of baseless conspiracy –– deflecting blame onto their Democratic counterparts for the riot and framing impeachment as a "diversionary operation" meant to distract from Democratic culpability. 

The idea that Democrats, who were chiefly targeted by rioters themselves, are responsible for the riot, is not entirely novel. Shortly after the Jan. 6 riot, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-SC, tried to put House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-CA, under scrutiny, asking in an interview with Fox News, "Where was Nancy Pelosi? It's her job to provide Capitol security." 

A month later, former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and Senator Ron Johnson, R-WI, are now taking Graham's cue, leading the charge to position their Democratic colleagues as enablers of the insurrection.

Republicans defend Trump ahead of impeachment trial by blaming Nancy Pelosi for Capitol riot | Salon.com

37 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Republicans defend Trump ahead of impeachment trial by blaming Nancy Pelosi for Capitol riot

GOP shifts blame to Democrats for Capitol riot, call impeachment a “diversionary operation”

As Donald Trump's second impeachment trial looms near, bringing the former president's incitement of insurrection into greater focus once again, members of the GOP are –– in another ambitious act of baseless conspiracy –– deflecting blame onto their Democratic counterparts for the riot and framing impeachment as a "diversionary operation" meant to distract from Democratic culpability. 

The idea that Democrats, who were chiefly targeted by rioters themselves, are responsible for the riot, is not entirely novel. Shortly after the Jan. 6 riot, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-SC, tried to put House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-CA, under scrutiny, asking in an interview with Fox News, "Where was Nancy Pelosi? It's her job to provide Capitol security." 

A month later, former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and Senator Ron Johnson, R-WI, are now taking Graham's cue, leading the charge to position their Democratic colleagues as enablers of the insurrection.

Republicans defend Trump ahead of impeachment trial by blaming Nancy Pelosi for Capitol riot | Salon.com

Hard to believe that some people are dumb enough to believe this narrative.    Upon reflection.....never mind.