Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

Just now, do or die said:

Trump just likes to hear....what he likes to hear. 
Beyond these lawyer crews,  most of his administration was stocked this way.....grifters, crazies, under qualified for the job, BS artists, mushroom kissers, etc.    History will regard that particular as a total steaming mess.....

Waaay back when I took management studies, we were told that the worst, the most incompetent managers invariably chose and/or promoted subordinates who were so fearful and useless that they would do pretty much anything to stay in favour. Kinda describes the Trump regime.

Republicans don't care but American's should

 

Marjorie Taylor Greene gets a standing ovation in closed-door House GOP meeting: reports
   
Members of the House Republican caucus gave Rep. Marjorie Taylor Green (R-GA) a standing ovation Wednesday evening after the QAnon Congresswoman gave a short speech defending herself. About an hour earlier Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy announced his support of Greene and refused to strip her of her committee assignments.

Marjorie Taylor Greene gets a standing ovation in closed-door House GOP meeting: reports - Alternet.org

36 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Marjorie Taylor Greene gets a standing ovation in closed-door House GOP meeting: reports
   
Members of the House Republican caucus gave Rep. Marjorie Taylor Green (R-GA) a standing ovation Wednesday evening after the QAnon Congresswoman gave a short speech defending herself. About an hour earlier Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy announced his support of Greene and refused to strip her of her committee assignments.

Marjorie Taylor Greene gets a standing ovation in closed-door House GOP meeting: reports - Alternet.org

What a sick cult. 

 

 

 

 

I kid, I kid- it's a good thing. That bill finally has bipartisan support- and then some.

 

 

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Conservatives will have to leave the GOP. The party is gone full alt-right, wacko, nut jobs.

 

Where are all the alt-right posters now? I saw one was back. 

At first glance, Romney would appear to be the leading (only sane) contender for the next leader of the GOP. However, there are indications that the party will split down the middle along pro and anti-Trump lines. Should this happen, neither of these will garner enough votes to challenge the Democrats. This will force the two sides into an uneasy alliance much as happened here in Canada. The resulting alliance will dance to the tune of the more aggressive members, again, as has happened in Canada. 

47 minutes ago, Tracker said:

At first glance, Romney would appear to be the leading (only sane) contender for the next leader of the GOP. However, there are indications that the party will split down the middle along pro and anti-Trump lines. Should this happen, neither of these will garner enough votes to challenge the Democrats. This will force the two sides into an uneasy alliance much as happened here in Canada. The resulting alliance will dance to the tune of the more aggressive members, again, as has happened in Canada. 

I don't know if they're will be a split. Some will leave but the party has been leading up to this for generations. This is who they are. 

Edited February 4, 20215 yr by JCon
Typing is hard.

Problem with the GOP, is that the cultists (under Trump) have already gotten a taste.  It has reached the point, where these crazed zealots will never settle for merely co-operating or working together with more moderate Republicans. 
Anyone in that party who exercises critical thinking, expresses themselves freely, and even worse....tells the truth.....are simply stinking, globalist, deep state, RINO traitors, who must be shunned and cast out.

And of course, you have DJT offstage, who will continue to preach to the deluded, and support attacks on his "enemies"

What a mess...

5 minutes ago, do or die said:

Problem with the GOP, is that the cultists (under Trump) have already gotten a taste.  It has reached the point, where these crazed zealots will never settle for merely co-operating or working together with more moderate Republicans. 
Anyone in that party who exercises critical thinking, expresses themselves freely, and even worse....tells the truth.....are simply stinking, globalist, deep state, RINO traitors, who must be shunned and cast out.

And of course, you have DJT offstage, who will continue to preach to the deluded, and support attacks on his "enemies"

What a mess...

Agreed. The best thing that could happen to the US would be that the totality of Trump/GOP involvement in the January  insurrection is revealed in the impeachment hearings followed by aggressive prosecution of the GOPers and Trump with a steady parade to jail- especially Trump and his inner circle.

2 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Agreed. The best thing that could happen to the US would be that the totality of Trump/GOP involvement in the January  insurrection is revealed in the impeachment hearings followed by aggressive prosecution of the GOPers and Trump with a steady parade to jail- especially Trump and his inner circle.

This is a party that believes Jews put a laser in space and started the fires in California. You can't reason with stupid, ****ing racist garbage. 

8 minutes ago, JCon said:

This is a party that believes Jews put a laser in space and started the fires in California. You can't reason with stupid, ****ing racist garbage. 

No, but you can discredit them and put them in jail. That would change the minds of those open to that. Many will simply harden their positions.

For a fringe movement Q seems to be everywhere, especially in the Republican party and especially when Republicans says they don't know what Q is

 

 

Of course, he would be foolish to testify under oath. But, since he's been cut off Twitter and doesn't have his Klan rallies anymore, he might be tempted, just for the attention. 

Just now, JCon said:

 

 

Of course, he would be foolish to testify under oath. But, since he's been cut off Twitter and doesn't have his Klan rallies anymore, he might be tempted, just for the attention. 

It would be more than foolish.   Trump under oath?  Wonder how many perjury charges can be racked up in a single individual's testimony.

1 minute ago, do or die said:

It would be more than foolish.   Trump under oath?  Wonder how many perjury charges can be racked up in a single individual's testimony.

I think he would plead the fifth on most questions and try to distract and throw around crazy ideas. It would all be a show to him. He won't provide anything of substance. So, basically the last five years. 

1 minute ago, JCon said:

I think he would plead the fifth on most questions and try to distract and throw around crazy ideas. It would all be a show to him. He won't provide anything of substance. So, basically the last five years. 

All the GOP would need is.... Trump spewing stuff about the rigged stolen election and buttressing the Dems case for impeachment.,..

please make it so

 

If anyone has seen the deposition that Trump did a few years ago you would see why putting Trump on the stand would be the biggest mistake ever.

Fox News getting sued now over the voting machine thing. I hadn't heard the 'accusations' until now, the Venezuelans did it, lol.  

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The three Venezuelan co-founders formed Smartmatic after the 2000 U.S. presidential election to resolve the issue of hanging chads -- a bit of the ballot that isn’t punched out all the way -- by replacing paper ballots with digital alternatives. The conspiracy contrived by Giuliani and Powell claimed that Dominion installed Smartmatic software on its voting machines across the country, and that Smartmatic maintains allegiances to Venezuela’s socialist leaders, including the late former President Hugo Chavez, according to the lawsuit.

Fox News Faces $2.7 Billion Defamation Case for Election Disinformation (msn.com)

Now this is funny,

Biden pick for unemployment program lost $600M to Nigerian scammers (msn.com)

 

Trump owned a team in the USFL  which sued the NFL for pressuring the TV  networks to not give the USFL coverage. The USFL lawyers had the case in the bag (according to the jurors) until Trump took the stand at his insistence and against the pleas of the lawyers. He came across as so stupid and arrogant that the entire jury found the NFL guilty but awarded the USFL the princely sum of ONE DOLLAR.  The other USFL owners were so angry that none of them chose to appeal the verdict and none ever spoke to Trump or did business with him again. I would think that Trump would not pass up an opportunity to be the center of attention in the belief that he would be so clever and convincing that he would single-handedly convince the whole nation of his righteousness.

8 minutes ago, Tracker said:

awarded the USFL the princely sum of ONE DOLLAR

whatndid that work to per team?

Ray Jauch coached the USFL generals.

 

more importantly he was my substitute teacher in jr highschool for a day or two.

speedflex may be old enough to remember ray tore his achiles, playing career over.

oops wrong thread.

Edited February 4, 20215 yr by Mark F

Manchin splits with Biden on Keystone pipeline cancellation, says he'd rather have oil from Canada than Venezuela (msn.com)

 

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Trump owned a team in the USFL  which sued the NFL for pressuring the TV  networks to not give the USFL coverage. The USFL lawyers had the case in the bag (according to the jurors) until Trump took the stand at his insistence and against the pleas of the lawyers. He came across as so stupid and arrogant that the entire jury found the NFL guilty but awarded the USFL the princely sum of ONE DOLLAR.  The other USFL owners were so angry that none of them chose to appeal the verdict and none ever spoke to Trump or did business with him again. I would think that Trump would not pass up an opportunity to be the center of attention in the belief that he would be so clever and convincing that he would single-handedly convince the whole nation of his righteousness.

His sociopathic narcissism almost singlehandedly destroyed the USFL: https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/13255737/five-things-know-donald-trump-usfl-experience 

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/sep/11/the-day-donald-trumps-narcissism-killed-the-usfl

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Early in the proceedings, the USFL called Pete Rozelle, the NFL’s commissioner, to testify as the trial’s first witness. Over the course of five interminable days, Myerson hammered Rozelle, pounded Rozelle, grilled Rozelle. In particular, he focused on Trump’s claim that the NFL commissioner promised him a franchise should he abandon/damage the USFL. There was, both sides agreed, a meeting held between Trump and Rozelle at the Pierre Hotel in March 1984. What happened, however, was of dispute.

“Didn’t you tell Mr Trump you wish he had been able to buy the Baltimore Colts and hadn’t gone into the USFL?” Myerson asked.

“No,” Rozelle replied.

“Did you tell him that if he hadn’t gone to the USFL, the USFL would have died?” Myerson asked.

“No,” Rozelle said. “Never.”

Trump’s testimony was decidedly different. He said the hotel rendezvous was Rozelle’s idea, and recalled the commissioner saying, “You will have a good chance of an NFL franchise and, in fact, you will have an NFL franchise.” The tradeoff , according to Trump, was that the USFL remain in the spring and “not bringing a lawsuit.”

Trump insisted he and Rozelle were friends. Rozelle insisted he and Trump were certainly not friends. Trump insisted Rozelle wanted him in the NFL. Rozelle insisted he would rather have maggot-infected fungus overtaking his cranial lobe. “Rozelle told me I should be in the NFL, not the USFL,” Trump said. “At some point, he said, I would be in the NFL. Then he would reiterate that the USFL was not going to make it.”

Rozelle couldn’t believe what he was hearing. He made clear that it was Trump who reserved and paid for the Pierre suite. He told Rothman: “[Trump] said, ‘I want an NFL expansion team in New York.’ And he said, and I’m quoting him exactly, ‘I would get some stiff to buy the New York Generals, my team in the USFL.’” Unlike Trump, Rozelle was a meticulous note-taker, and he presented his documented recollections from the meeting.

Rothman’s cross-examination was a breathtaking ode to knowing your subject, and taking him apart, piece by piece. Wrote Richard Hoffer of the Los Angeles Times: “Rothman characterized Trump as the worst kind of snake who was selling his colleagues down the river so he could effect a merger of a few rich teams.” It wasn’t Trump’s words, so much as his swagger and irritability. The USFL was the little league trying to be big, but Trump didn’t seem little. Or sympathetic. Or, for that matter, believable.

Rothman’s cross-examination was a breathtaking ode to knowing your subject, and taking him apart, piece by piece. Wrote Richard Hoffer of the Los Angeles Times: “Rothman characterized Trump as the worst kind of snake who was selling his colleagues down the river so he could effect a merger of a few rich teams.” It wasn’t Trump’s words, so much as his swagger and irritability. The USFL was the little league trying to be big, but Trump didn’t seem little. Or sympathetic. Or, for that matter, believable.

“He did not do the USFL well,” recalled Patricia Sibilia, a juror. “Donald Trump and I actually got into a staring match. I would watch the people on the stand, trying to read them. So he and I started looking at each other, and he tried to stare me down. It was an obvious try at intimidation. And what’s funny, in hindsight, is that this so-called business genius ruined it for them. He was not believable in anything he said. He came off as arrogant and unlikeable.”

Rozelle’s cool, controlled testimony was Kryptonite to Trump’s apparent unhinged allergies to truth. Rothman asked, repeatedly, what motivated Trump’s actions, then showed the jury multiple documents – signed or written by the Generals’ owner – that alluded to a “merger” and “merger strategy.” Trump denied his motive was to have the USFL and NFL become one, but lacked credibility. “It was so obvious that’s what this was all about,” said Sibilia. “No question.”

When Rothman suggested Trump’s ultimate goal was to wind up with a valuable NFL organization, the reply was staggering. “I could have gotten into the NFL a lot easier than going through this exercise,” he said. “I could have spent the extra money and bought the Colts on many occasions.”

A historic level of eye rolling filled the courtroom. Trump was lying. He was never a serious candidate to purchase the Colts. Never. “Who do you believe?” wrote Dave Goldberg of the Associated Press, “Donald Trump or Pete Rozelle?”

Comical stuff. And that's been his MO for years, his presidency being absolutely no exception.