Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

3 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

I can’t believe they’re going to deflect over this little girls death.   Nielsen will be tossed 

 

Quick...................... fire somebody

Uh oh

 

Looks like some of the rats and crooks are jump off of Trump's administration gravy train before the Democrats take control of the house.

On 2018-12-14 at 7:44 AM, 17to85 said:

The best thing to come of all of this might be for the public to wise up to all the **** rich people get away with and maybe we can see some crack down on white collar crime... who am I kidding, the Democrats are beholden to rich people who paid for them too. 

Not likely.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/irs-the-gop-propublica-budget-cuts-enforcement-billions.html

Edited December 16, 20187 yr by johnzo

This tells you all you need to know about trumps thought process. He knows he’s all but finished. 

 

1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said:

This tells you all you need to know about trumps thought process. He knows he’s all but finished. 

 

I'm guessing ol dumb ass doesn't know what a warrant is................................but he'll soon find out

Obstruction.  Witness tampering  

 

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https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/421898-judge-to-flynn-arguably-you-sold-your-country-out

All American hero Flynn declines (after all the right wing verbiage, this week) to change his plea.  Judge has offered him more time to shut up his stupid lawyers, and get with the program.....

1 minute ago, do or die said:

All American hero Flynn declines (after all the right wing verbiage, this week) to change his plea.  Judge has offered him more time to shut up his stupid lawyers, and get with the program.....

Yup. And admitted he knew it was wrong to lie to the fbi.  And yet there are still people arguing he didn’t know he was being interviewed so his lies shouldn’t be a crime.  How about every time the fbi asks you a ******* question, you tell the truth. 

Oh and more good news for the Don 

 

Trump and Flynn are playing twitter footsie over a pardon but the federal judge is having none of it

 

Another day, another White House doubling down on a lie......

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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/421920-white-house-refuses-to-take-back-claim-that-flynn-was-ambushed

 

So....documents unsealed Monday indicated that Flynn’s lies to FBI agents were actually quite extensive—that he didn’t just deny speaking to Kislyak about sanctions but in fact created an entire false cover story (which is apparently disproven by confidential phone intercepts and other documents) about not having known that sanctions were a pressing U.S.-Russia issue at all.

The Flynn "persecution" theory got torpedoed...... when Flynn appeared in court and Sullivan asked him and his lawyers directly about suggestions, made not just by right-wing pundits but by Flynn’s own lawyers in a request for sentencing leniency, that he had been mistreated by the FBI because its agents didn’t instruct him to have a lawyer present for his interview or warn him that lying to federal investigators is a crime.  

 

But hey, how was a Army General and the President's National Security Advisor supposed to know, that you should not lie, in interviews with FBI agents?  Somebody needs to "give him a break", because he's a good guy"   Comey didn't - so he got fired.

Meanwhile........."Little Adam Schiff" is wasting no time.

General Flynn, come on down......

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https://thehill.com/homenews/house/421925-schiff-calls-on-flynn-to-testify-before-house-intel

 

Edited December 18, 20187 yr by do or die

Trump's team seems to be trying the tact that they can lie all they want to as long as it's not under oath, and ofcourse, avoid ever being under oath at all.  If Mueller doesnt get him, the House will demand Trump appear before them to answer questions.  You can bet Trump will refuse, be found in contempt and fight it to the Supreme Court.  Unfortunately there is precedent against him.

Two sides of the coin for Trump to consider.  Many speculate he might be offered a deal whereby he resigns in exchange for leniency (for him and his kids).  I dont really like this because it comes across political but I suppose the DOJ perspective is that Trump stole the election so him quitting at least mitigates his crime.  But it doesnt really because if thats the case, Clinton should be President, not Pence.

On the other hand, if trump quits or loses in 2020, he's immediately indicted for campaign finance violations.  He might be okay with that if its the *worst* thing he's charged with (it probably wont be) and go the John Edwards route.  But Edwards narrowly escaped prison (acquitted on one charge and Hung on the others).  Trump cant plead ignorance because he's on record as saying his lawyers explained to him all about Edwards' situation, plus on record directing the payments and his co-conspirators admit it was to avoid hurting him in the election.

So Trump *has* to try to win 2020 to avoid those charged.  But it removes his only real leverage to negotiate with prosecutors, that he'd leave office.  But if Mueller has Don Jr dead to rights, its probably moot because they'll use that to get Don Sr to plead.  Will he sacrifice his own son?

1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Will he sacrifice his own son?

He was just a low level son, wasn't with the family very long, he really only got the coffee.

He prefers children  who don't get indicted.

how long until FOX News loses Carlson

https://deadline.com/2018/12/tucker-carlson-pacific-life-ads-mass-immigration-dirtier-poorer-country-fox-news-1202520607/

The sweet sound of desperation 

 

Trump's undoing will be helped with his Twitter rants, White House may try to deflect and deceive and straight out lie but every time the Genius tweets he digs a bigger hole. Mueller just lets out the rope a little at a time and Trump unknown to himself is getting closer to the edge with that rope around his neck.

I am a YUGE critic of trump and his administration. 

 

I do have to give him credit for his part in the Criminal Justice Bill. Bravo. 

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The U.S. Senate passed a sweeping criminal justice bill Tuesday that addresses concerns that the nation's war on drugs had led to the imprisonment of too many Americans for non-violent crimes without adequately preparing them for their return to society.

Senate passage of the bill by a vote of 87-12 culminates years of negotiations and gives U.S. President Donald Trump a signature policy victory, with the outcome hailed by scores of conservative and liberal advocacy groups. The House is expected to pass the bill this week, sending it to the president's desk for his signature.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/criminal-justice-reform-1.4951888

 

 

Edited December 19, 20187 yr by wanna-b-fanboy

Putin: "Donald... I have the pee pee tape..."

 

aaaand cue the result...

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/19/politics/us-syria-withdrawal/index.html

"Planning is underway for a "full" and "rapid" withdrawal of US troops from Syria, a US defense official told CNN Wednesday.

The decision, which would be a reversal from previously stated US policy, was made by President Donald Trump, who has long signaled his desire to get out of Syria, the official added.

Even though the US will continue to maintain troops in Iraq with the capability of launching strikes into Syria, a US withdrawal of ground forces would fulfill a major goal of Syria, Iran and Russia and risks diminishing US influence in the region."

 

 

 

1 hour ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

and risks diminishing US influence in the region."

Sounds like a good idea to me.

His Israeli and Saudi friends won't like it.

saw.....trump ending bump stocks.

Edited December 19, 20187 yr by Mark F

1 hour ago, Mark F said:

saw.....trump ending bump stocks.

Oh yeah that's a step in the right direction. 

Good on him. 

 

Maybe he's turning over a new leaf. Going to make a run for best pres ever these next two years?

He's as desperate as can be to raise his approval rating to leverage the Dems impending slaughter 

2 hours ago, Mark F said:

saw.....trump ending bump stocks.

I'll believe that when it's done. He's said it a few times before (first time after the Vegas mass shooting) and nothing has happened.

Edited December 19, 20187 yr by Jacquie

1 hour ago, Jacquie said:

I'll believe that when it's done. He's said it a few times before (first time after the Vegas mass shooting) and nothing has happened.

All the above and... he's almost a pathological liar. 

He can’t even keep his own BS straight from day to day