Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

23 minutes ago, bustamente said:

This shooting in Florida and the outrage that has follow kicked up a memory for me after the Las Vegas and a story CNN did, they caught up to and elderly gentlemen in front of some storefront and asked for his feeling about the tragedy and guns in general, at first he was sympathetic to all the dead and injured, but his demeanor changed and on the topic of making certain guns illegal he quickly said that you can't take away his right to have any type of gun and there would be hell to pay if someone came for his guns.

That sentiment is so ridiculous.  The NRA has done a fine job of making people think they have a God-given right to weapons.  But there is obviously a red line.  You cant have a nuclear weapon.  No one has a tank.  People dont have rocket launchers.  Why are assault weapons okay?  Because they're fun to shoot?  Its ridiculous. 

Until Americans stop seeing the amendments they like as sacred and are willing to have an honest conversation about it, nothing will change.  A Democratic Pres can bring in weapons bans and the Republican Pres will undo it.

And anyone here who defends Trump's position, dont forget that while he tries to manipulate people by suggesting the mentally ill should not have guns, it was he who undid an Obama policy that made it more difficult for the mentally ill to get guns.  He's a liar.  And they dont care.  Mentally ill?  Children?  Doesnt matter.  Let them have guns. 

Because the NRA is a lobbyist group for gun manufactures who have successfully made the general public *think* they know what the 2nd amendment meant while stuffing cash into the pockets of the people that know better who can do something about it.

 

13 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

A Democratic Pres can bring in weapons bans and the Republican Pres will undo it.

Even that seems unlikely considering both Bernie and Hillary are pro-NRA.  Maybe next election would be different.

2 minutes ago, Atomic said:

Even that seems unlikely considering both Bernie and Hillary are pro-NRA.  Maybe next election would be different.

One can hope.

Any henhouses that needs help protecting the chickens, please call Rent-a-Fox and we’ll send a couple of them right over. 

 

26 minutes ago, Atomic said:

Even that seems unlikely considering both Bernie and Hillary are pro-NRA.  Maybe next election would be different.

I think, like most politicians, they're pro money and will follow it wherever it leads.

4 minutes ago, JCon said:

I think, like most politicians, they're pro money and will follow it wherever it leads.

Wtf eh?  Politicians are the worst people on the planet.

5 minutes ago, JCon said:

I think, like most politicians, they're pro money and will follow it wherever it leads.

Plenty of politicians dont take funding from the NRA.  But there are always special interest groups willing to throw money around.  Would love to see that eliminated.  Will never happen though.  Can you imagine a politician putting forward a bill to eliminate those kinds of donations?

1 hour ago, basslicker said:

You're right, better to leave children unprotected.  You already trust the school to have your children all day, but not trust a teacher to have th e means to protect them should a nightmare scenario occur?  Imagine if that hero football coach in Florida had a gun?  Good men with guns stop evil men with guns.

 

And no, confiscating guns from law-abiding citizens won't stop shootings.  Evil will find a way, and so should good, which is to confront evil when it appears.  It's already come out that there were complaints and warnings about this Florida shooter and law enforcement did nothing, but yeah, we need more laws so they can not be enforced as well.

 

1 hour ago, basslicker said:

When Christ returns to set up his kingdom.  Until then, we have to hold the fort and protect what innocence we can.

Just now, Atomic said:

Wtf eh?  Politicians are the worst people on the planet.

Some of the worst. Others are bankers, lawyers, and Roughriders.

1 hour ago, basslicker said:

And no, confiscating guns from law-abiding citizens won't stop shootings.... It's already come out that there were complaints and warnings about this Florida shooter and law enforcement did nothing

 

The Florida shooter was a citizen, and did not have a criminal record before he gunned up his school.

But if law enforcement had acted on the warnings they received and confiscated his armory, they could have prevented this massacre.

So it sure looks like you are pretty directly contradicting yourself here.

Besides, do you really think cops should be free to confiscate guns from non-criminals simply because they've received warnings about that person's behavior? Don't you think that's ripe for abuse?

1 minute ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Plenty of politicians dont take funding from the NRA.  But there are always special interest groups willing to throw money around.  Would love to see that eliminated.  Will never happen though.  Can you imagine a politician putting forward a bill to eliminate those kinds of donations?

Yes, not all are.

 

Imagine politics without lobbying money, Super PACs, corporate donations?

1 minute ago, johnzo said:

 

The Florida shooter was a citizen, and did not have a criminal record before he gunned up his school.

But if law enforcement had acted on the warnings they received and confiscated his armory, they could have prevented this massacre.

So it sure looks like you are pretty directly contradicting yourself here.

Besides, do you really think cops should be free to confiscate guns from non-criminals simply because they've received warnings about that person's behavior? Don't you think that's ripe for abuse?

I imagine the NRA (et al) would have been on his lawn defending him if they had taken away his guns. He obtained them legally.

Imagine that shooter walking the halls of his school pointing his finger at people and making a pew pew sound...because he couldnt get guns in the first place.  Imagine that.

There are people who feel 17 dead people, mainly children is an acceptable by-product of a "right" that was drafted in the 1700's and is considered archaic by the standards of the rest of the friggen world.

1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said:

lol I thought you were serious.  This is the US politics thread.

Protect innocence.  With guns!  Guns for everyone!  Teachers, kids!  How about big boxes of guns on street corners that people can help themselves to!  lol

 

Archie Bunker was way ahead of his time.

 

1 minute ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

Archie Bunker was way ahead of his time.

 

Amazingly that was played for laughs by a "bigoted" character decades ago and is actually being talked about seriously today.  100 years from now, people will look back and wonder WTF was wrong with society.

2 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Amazingly that was played for laughs by a "bigoted" character decades ago and is actually being talked about seriously today.  100 years from now, people will look back and wonder WTF was wrong with society.

It's one thing for morons to endorse this idea but this is the first time I've ever heard a president get behind it.  May be a correlation???

1 minute ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

It's one thing for morons to endorse this idea but this is the first time I've ever heard a president get behind it.  May be a correlation???

MAGA

2 hours ago, basslicker said:

You're right, better to leave children unprotected.  You already trust the school to have your children all day, but not trust a teacher to have th e means to protect them should a nightmare scenario occur?  Imagine if that hero football coach in Florida had a gun?  Good men with guns stop evil men with guns.

I imagine nothing would have been different. Even those trained (ie police, military) for active shooters have a much greater miss vs hit ratio compared to when using a shooting range. The range of an AR-15 is much greater than a handgun. The person with a hand gun would need to be within 25 feet of the shooter and have to shoot for the head (have to assume the shooter is wearing body armour). The chances of shooting another student would be much too great if he had even had a chance to get in range for a shot.

Good guns with a guy is a myth spread by the NRA. Study after study has proven that.

 

Here's another weird contradiction I've noticed:

Headline: Minority person dies in encounter with law enforcement.

Right wing talking point: Blue lives matter!  We support law enforcement! They are the thin line between chaos and civilization! 

Headline: Law enforcement fails to intervene in pre-crime; NRA takes heat

Right wing talking point: Law enforcement sucks! You've only got 10,000 crazies in your jurisdiction, how did you miss the fact that it was this one who was actually a homicidal freak????

Edited February 22, 20187 yr by johnzo

President Trump on Thursday raised the idea of awarding bonuses to some teachers who are willing to carry guns in schools.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/375108-trump-suggests-trained-teachers-who-are-armed-could-receive-bonuses

So what would a teacher get for a kill shot?

Trump needs to hit the bed and his Cheetos for a while, and just shut the hell up.

 

 

3 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Ross Perot had an interesting quote:

The second amendment was adopted in 1791.  1791!  It was based on the English common law right to bear arms.  The UK, by the way, has gun control now. 

The amendment reads:

Are we to assume teachers are to be considered a well-regulated militia?  Certainly, a bunch of people running around with assault weapons are NOT well-regulated nor do they represent a militia.

The US at that time expected another war with England (they were right as it happened in 1812) and so wanted to make sure everyone had a gun. Those days are long over.

23 minutes ago, do or die said:

President Trump on Thursday raised the idea of awarding bonuses to some teachers who are willing to carry guns in schools.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/375108-trump-suggests-trained-teachers-who-are-armed-could-receive-bonuses

So what would a teacher get for a kill shot?

Trump needs to hit the bed and his Cheetos for a while, and just shut the hell up.

 

 

Its insanity that this is being talked about seriously.  At a time when the actions of experienced, trained cops are being questioned, this idiot and his NRA pals want to give guns to teachers and have them enforce law on school grounds?  Its absolutely insane.

It also tells you where their heads are at in that they will gladly find money for this. 

What in the blue hell is a teacher supposed to do when a guy with a military weapon is shooting up a school, go out into the hall with their colt and take him on?  How many school shooters kill themselves or engage in a shootout with police knowing they will die?  And this clown thinks "cowardly" shooters will avoid schools?  Ridiculous

Just now, kelownabomberfan said:

The US at that time expected another war with England (they were right as it happened in 1812) and so wanted to make sure everyone had a gun. Those days are long over.

Exactly.  I bet the majority of gun nuts couldnt quote the 2nd amendment to save their lives.  The Constitution is not sacrosanct.  It's been amended numerous times.