blueandgoldguy

conservative party appears to be in full meltdown mode right now.

Ken King has stated that it's this plan or nothing. There is no Plan B...... City council will call his bluff. The funding model will change, the stadium/arena concept will change. Who knows - even the site may change.

It will be interesting how the proposal and renders for this project will change over the coming years. Remember how many different renders there were for the new winnipeg stadium. First, at Assiniboine Downs, then the old stadium site, then Point Douglas and finally the U of M Campus along with the proposal from Ledohowski in St. B. Wouldn't be surprised if this project gets whittled down to an arena and the orginal plans for the $200 million fieldhouse, maybe with a Flames practice rink attached. Stamps probably get stuck with a refurb.

When the Jets were here, the city was a black hole for much of the 80s and 90s. In the early 2000s, the city and province began growing again primarily due to the provincial nominee program. Jets did not create some sort of economic boom when they came back though some like to spin that narrative.

MTS Centre is not at all a comparable funding model to the Calgary proposal. 90 Million funding - True North 44 million - 3 levels of government Calgary proposal calls for the majority to be funded by the gov't and they haven't even factored in the remediation costs. World of difference between $44 million and $690 million.

You have to factor in the opportunity cost of providing all the taxpayer funds for a project like this. Why subsidize a stadium/arena complex for the benefit of crappy, minimum wage part-time jobs when you could just as easily subsidize some other corporate interest that would provide full-time decent paying jobs...or deal with pressing infrastructure needs with that money instead. Those construction jobs are nothing more than temporary and are always the go-to response from proprietors of such projects and the the die-hard sports fans who parrot this nonsense. A sports team is but a small part of a city's identity. If it is all you have, that is pretty sad. When the Jets left, live went on as usual and the city did not suffer some personal identity crisis nor did it dry up. Stadium and arena funding in smaller cities are pretty much a necessity to allow for financial viability but within reason. No one wants to see a city that is encumbered by such a financial obligation as to cut essential municipal services as has been done in Cincinatti and Glendale. Good ol' Ken King. Trying to pull the wool over the eyes of Calgarians and the city council. I loved how king and those renders emphasized that this is a EVENT CENTRE and a FIELDHOUSE as if this project is being primarily built for the public first and foremost. haha. In reality the arena will be a professional sports facility for the Flames, the Hitman (yeah, they are amateur but you still pay to see them), and the Roughnecks. Then you add another 100-120 events per year, factor in off days for maintenance, concert set-up and takedown, creating and melting ice and there might be 50 or so days available for public use..of course almost all those would be available at a steep rental price. There might be a few days that the Flames organization makes the building available to the public for no charge like a fan appreciation day but those will be few and far between. Making money is the primary reason for the arena while public use will be given little thought. I also love how King piggybacks the idea of a domed stadium onto the plans of fieldhouse. Since the City had discussed funding a $200 million indoor facility it basically reduces by 50% the estimated amount it would cost for a 30,000 seat domed stadium. The problem for the city though, besides the outrageous costs, is that a shared facility with pro sports teams greatly reduces the amount of time the public has access to the facility. Between the Stamps games and practices, pro soccer team games and practice and a few concerts, the facility will probably lose 80-100 days of public use whereas a spending that $200 million on a standalone facility for the public guarantees them 365 days a year of open public access. Fortunately, Calgarians and the city council will see right through King's attempts as selling this as a primary public event centre. They will also be expecting a substantially larger contribution from private interests than the proposed funding model suggests. They might have to wait that long to get Nenshi voted out of power and get someone "more favourable to the cause" voted in...... http://calgaryherald.com/sports/hockey/nhl/calgary-flames/flames-reveal-details-of-900m-downtown-arena-stadium-planSo what is a 240 mill Community Revitalization Levy? Sounds like a tax. Pretty much. It will be a loan from the government. These CRFs are far from a guarantee too. So basically, the Flames are asking the government to subsidize half this project...and probably pay for the entire clean-up of the site. Won't happen. This is probably the first of a series of proposals we will be seeing in the coming years. I think it will be 8-10 years before anything is actually built. Fasten your seatbelts - it's going to be a long and bumpy ride.

Shame to lose one of the league's top players. I don't think the loss will prevent the Lions from winning this week as BC Place has been a guaranteed loss for the Als for several seasons. Must have something to do with moving 3 timezones.

Can't stand the Ticats or their fans, especially certain forum members. CHeered for the Riders in the 2013 Grey Cup and I cheered for the Stamps in 2014. I quite enjoyed the whining on their forum and on CFL.ca forum over the perceived "bad call" on the Brandon Banks punt return touchdown. They are the best team in the east, I wil grant them that - thought they would go 12-6 for the season and meet the Eskies in the Grey Cup. If they do advance to the Grey Cup this poster is not too worried about a Ticat victory. Fact is, tabbies don't handle the cold too well. They have never won a playoff game in Winnipeg in their entire history.

I actually don't mind seeing some blowouts in the CFL as long as it's not a regular occurrence - like 2 out of 4 games week after week. Separates the wheat from the chaff. Plus we get to see a well-executed game from one team - few turnovers and great execution.

Never ever have believed in houseclearing. That guarantees you will not make the playoffs the next season. You bring guys in and may the best talent win - except for the Canadian ratio thing where you don't have to be better. Worked in Hamilton. Cleaned house in 2012 with a 6-12 team including a first year coach and brought in Austin plus several others and the team went 10-8 and made it to the Grey Cup. Went to the Grey Cup last year too. Honestly, some people have these preconceived ideas of how they think things will work out without providing any evidence to back up these preconceptions. I'm not saying the Bombers are due for a housecleaning just yet. Let's see how the season plays out first. No excuses for the team to not win at least one of their next three. I think they have a shot at winning two of the next three personally. It worked? Really? 2nd place is the first loser. Just like Hamilton in 2013 and 2014, we lost Grey Cups in 1992, 1993, 2001, 2007 and 2011. We don't celebrate those years. Sarcasm? I'll chalk it up to that. FrostyWinnipeg falsely assumes that a housecleaning will automatically mean no playoffs the following season. I rather easily dismissed his claim with my Hamilton example who by the way are smoking the Lions as we speak and will lead the East Division within a few short hours. Try and follow along more carefully next time. Maybe you missed your afternoon nap and aren't quite with it today?

So you would have rather us had Crowton stay on as OC? At least with MB we got a mediocre OC instead of a shitty one. If you can bring in someone better then MB as a consultant, it can't hurt. And you don't have to keep him. Montreal brought in Garcia as a consultant and he didn't stay. That seems to be the problem with the organization. They seem satisfied with mediocrity like it's some kind of major accomplishment. Hey MB might be one of the worst, or possibly the worst OC in the league, but at least he's better than Crowton!

Never ever have believed in houseclearing. That guarantees you will not make the playoffs the next season. You bring guys in and may the best talent win - except for the Canadian ratio thing where you don't have to be better. Worked in Hamilton. Cleaned house in 2012 with a 6-12 team including a first year coach and brought in Austin plus several others and the team went 10-8 and made it to the Grey Cup. Went to the Grey Cup last year too. Honestly, some people have these preconceived ideas of how they think things will work out without providing any evidence to back up these preconceptions. I'm not saying the Bombers are due for a housecleaning just yet. Let's see how the season plays out first. No excuses for the team to not win at least one of their next three. I think they have a shot at winning two of the next three personally.

marve was decent, not good or great. Pretty suspect on anything intermediate or long. Maybe he improves on that, maybe he doesn't. Some Qbs just never develop the ability to throw accurately on anything outside of short passes. Bombers never advanced past the 42 yard line of the Argos in the 2nd half and the Argos defense seemed to have Marve figured out, especially on that last Bomber offensive play. Even Irving mentioned this. Marve never appeared to look past his first read though tough to tell when you are not at the game. VERY conservative play-calling as well. Could not believe the number of short passes - is that on Marcel or on Marve who would not look past his first read? Defense stepped up once again but special teams and the fumble on the following drive killed us. Marve didn't win the game but he certainly didn't lose it for the Bombers. I think the Argos are a good, but not great team. Horseshoes up the butt to win the games the way they have the past several weeks. The Eskies and the Ticats are better and Calgary might be better if they weren't missing so many key players from last year.

Beeston is probably retiring after this season.

Top payroll teams have an advantage but the team's that have been to the World Series recently middling or lower payrolls.in MLB ie. Texas, San Francisco, St Louis, Kansas City

Hamilton hasn't developed a Qb in 30 years. All they did was sign Collaros from Toronto. They are one of the Grey Cup favorites. Bombers won a Grey Cup with Saskatchewan's castoff Tom Burgess in 1990. It can be done, but the team will need to improve its Canadian content and do a significantly better job of recruiting from the US. It remains to be seen if Walter is up to the task.

Our media!? What a crock. I would love to see that substantiated. Only on a Bomber forum, where a subsection of posters seemingly loves to place blame for the Bombers ills at the feet of our media, would someone use that as the very reason for our inability to hire a good coach.

Since the crossover came into effect way back when, there has never been a team with an 8-10 record that has not made the playoffs. In an 8 team league, there can only be a total of 72 wins; in a 9 team league 81 wins. With 6 of 8 or 6 of 9 teams making the playoffs, it would require extremely unusual circumstances for an 8 win team to NOT make the playoffs (again, with the crossover). If the Bombers win 8, they should qualify, whether that is as a crossover team in the east, or the third place team in the west.

The Bombers had 273 yards of NET OFFENSE. Again, it was against a defense that had a 31 point lead at the half. Only natural to take the foot off the gas and yet the Bombers's offense still managed to stall out and punt 12 times. Pathetic. Moving the ball means sweet f-all unless you convert some of those drives into points, whether with field goals or TDs. What I see is a team up to this point in the season is a team that is at the bottom-half of the league in most offensive categories...AGAIN. It's only going to get worse with Willy out. Hope the defense is up to the challenge next week.

273 total yards on offense and a grand total of 8 points against a defense that had little to play for after the first half - it's only natural for the defense to let up a little bit with such a huge lead. Yet, the Bombers could only score 8 points...and they punted the ball 12 times....and I see a comment from Goalie that the offense had some "nice drives." Laughable. With MB in charge I think it's pretty apparent that the Bombers will have, at best, an average offense. At worst, with Willy out, an offense that probably sinks to the bottom of the league.

AA will be fine if the Jays make the playoffs. He doesn't have to win the world series or even make it to the series for that matter. The farm is not completely bare either. They still have some very good prospects including a top-50 one in Dalton Pompey. When AA traded several top prospects in 2012 to the Marlins and the Mets, the Jays prospect pool dropped from top-5 in the league to bottom-10. Within two years, he had the prospect pool back in the top-10 in MLB. The one thing AA is consistent at is good drafting. If Dombrowski ends up with the Jays it will most likely be as President with AA remaining in charge as GM.

That seems strange. Why is she against WIFI? If she supports homeopathy in conjunction with traditional medicine no harm in that.

I was too young to remember Brock playing for the Bombers. I do recall first hearing that he played for the Bombers during the 1984 Grey Cup when Winnipeg smoked the Ticats. I was at what was supposed to be one of the final games or the final regular season game at Canad Inns back in 2011 when they brought out past Bomber greats and introduced them one by one. When the camera panned to Brock and his name was announced, he received one of the loudest cheers (Milt received the most of course and I can't remember if Walby was there and received more cheers as well). He had a big smile on his face soaking in the cheers. Keep in mind this was the first time he was recognized at Winnipeg Stadium since his playing days - over 25 years ago. It appeared that time heals all wounds.

As a youngster, I remember going with my dad to a game in October 1985 against the Lions. Sold out stadium with 32,000 in the stands. Bombers one a close game by a TD. At that time Swervin Feryn Fernandez was the best receiver in the CFL, and would have probably been the best receiver in CFL history had he spent his entire career in Canada. You could always count on at least one deep ball completion to Fernandez each game and this one was no different as Dewalt hooked up with him in the third or fourth quarter. I seem to remember a play late in the game where the Bombers were pinned deep in their zone on third down, and Cameron, uncharacteristically, hit a poor punt to give the Lions good field position inside the Bomber 50. On that drive, and possibly another, I think the Bombers defense held strong limiting the Lions a field goal or no points ultimately winning the game. Great game, great atmosphere and some great memories.

Didn't want to start another thread on this so I will just put the weekend ratings here. https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/eh-game/the-great-canadian-ratings-report--blue-jays-trades-paying-off-already-on-television-202806158.html#more-id 1. MLB, Twins at Blue Jays, Monday, Sportsnet: 1,390,000 2. MLB, Royals at Blue Jays, Friday, Sportsnet: 1,080,000 3. MLB, Royals at Blue Jays, Sunday, Sportsnet: 997,000 4. MLB, Royals at Blue Jays, Saturday, Sportsnet: 981,000 5. CFL, Roughriders at Eskimos, Friday, TSN: 600,000 6. CFL, Argonauts at Tiger-Cats, Monday, TSN: 558,000 7. CFL, Alouettes at Stampeders, Saturday, TSN: 538,000 8. Auto racing, NASCAR Windows 400, Sunday, TSN: 329,000 9. MMA, UFC 190 preliminaries, Saturday, TSN: 194,000 10. MLB, Angels at Dodgers, Saturday, Sportsnet: 170,000 11. Hockey, World Jr. Summer Showdown, Canada vs. Russia, Monday, TSN: 163,000 12. MLB, Nationals at Mets, Sunday, TSN: 155,000 13. PGA, Quicken Loans National third round, Saturday, TSN: 146,000 (CBS viewers not measured) 13. Rugby, Pacific Nations Cup, Canada vs. U.S., Monday, TSN: 146,000 15. MLB, Angels at Dodgers, Friday, Sportsnet: 141,000 16. MLS, Whitecaps at Seattle, Saturday, TSN: 129,000 17. PGA Quicken Loans National final round, Sunday, TSN: 87,000 (CBS viewers not measured) 18. MLS, Toronto FC at New England, Saturday, Sportsnet 360: 74,000 I'm thinking that CFL ratings are down compared to summer games in the 2013 and 2014 seasons. Blue Jays are killing it right now coming off the Tulowitzki and Price trades. The top 4 ratings for this past weekend are Jays games.