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well how many rational people do you actually think populate these boards? Even the most rational people here go crazy sometimes. 

Derek Jones is a second round talent that you got in the fourth round. He's been playing press coverage for 4 years compared to the mixed zone stuff the CIS schools generally run so potentially he can be the dime back in a pinch if Korey Banks is out or needs a breather. Jones fits the defense there. 
 
Briggs replaces Muamba but it's not Henoc. Think he can become that safety needed in the system. Fast, makes instinctive plays and has a safety's body. 
 
Goossen takes a role early on. He's ready to go. 
 
Quinn Everett went about where I expected him to. Good player not great but could be a NT with his 305 pound frame sitting in a gap every play. 
 
Aram Eisho is a 3 time CJFL Defensive Player of the Year, Defensive Player of the Game in the 2011 Vanier Cup, 2012 OUA Defensive Player of the Year and you got him in the 7th round. 

Derek Jones is a second round talent that you got in the fourth round. He's been playing press coverage for 4 years compared to the mixed zone stuff the CIS schools generally run so potentially he can be the dime back in a pinch if Korey Banks is out or needs a breather. Jones fits the defense there. 
 
Briggs replaces Muamba but it's not Henoc. Think he can become that safety needed in the system. Fast, makes instinctive plays and has a safety's body. 
 
Goossen takes a role early on. He's ready to go. 
 
Quinn Everett went about where I expected him to. Good player not great but could be a NT with his 305 pound frame sitting in a gap every play. 
 
Aram Eisho is a 3 time CJFL Defensive Player of the Year, Defensive Player of the Game in the 2011 Vanier Cup, 2012 OUA Defensive Player of the Year and you got him in the 7th round. 

Derek Jones is a second round talent that you got in the fourth round. He's been playing press coverage for 4 years compared to the mixed zone stuff the CIS schools generally run so potentially he can be the dime back in a pinch if Korey Banks is out or needs a breather. Jones fits the defense there. 
 
Briggs replaces Muamba but it's not Henoc. Think he can become that safety needed in the system. Fast, makes instinctive plays and has a safety's body. 
 
Goossen takes a role early on. He's ready to go. 
 
Quinn Everett went about where I expected him to. Good player not great but could be a NT with his 305 pound frame sitting in a gap every play. 
 
Aram Eisho is a 3 time CJFL Defensive Player of the Year, Defensive Player of the Game in the 2011 Vanier Cup, 2012 OUA Defensive Player of the Year and you got him in the 7th round. 

Derek Jones is a second round talent that you got in the fourth round. He's been playing press coverage for 4 years compared to the mixed zone stuff the CIS schools generally run so potentially he can be the dime back in a pinch if Korey Banks is out or needs a breather. Jones fits the defense there. 
 
Briggs replaces Muamba but it's not Henoc. Think he can become that safety needed in the system. Fast, makes instinctive plays and has a safety's body. 
 
Goossen takes a role early on. He's ready to go. 
 
Quinn Everett went about where I expected him to. Good player not great but could be a NT with his 305 pound frame sitting in a gap every play. 
 
Aram Eisho is a 3 time CJFL Defensive Player of the Year, Defensive Player of the Game in the 2011 Vanier Cup, 2012 OUA Defensive Player of the Year and you got him in the 7th round. 

Derek Jones is a second round talent that you got in the fourth round. He's been playing press coverage for 4 years compared to the mixed zone stuff the CIS schools generally run so potentially he can be the dime back in a pinch if Korey Banks is out or needs a breather. Jones fits the defense there. 
 
Briggs replaces Muamba but it's not Henoc. Think he can become that safety needed in the system. Fast, makes instinctive plays and has a safety's body. 
 
Goossen takes a role early on. He's ready to go. 
 
Quinn Everett went about where I expected him to. Good player not great but could be a NT with his 305 pound frame sitting in a gap every play. 
 
Aram Eisho is a 3 time CJFL Defensive Player of the Year, Defensive Player of the Game in the 2011 Vanier Cup, 2012 OUA Defensive Player of the Year and you got him in the 7th round. 

Any draft is going to drop off after the first round. Nobody can compare to a top prospect, it is just not possible. But that doesn't mean it gets shallow immediately thereafter.
 
My list I like up until about 25, which is late third round. Obviously it isn't the same talent level all around, I would break it down as picks 1-7, 8-15, 16-21 and 22-25 as my tiers.
 
1-7 should start and get significant playing time.
8-15 should be full time on special teams and can play rotational time.
16-21 should be full time special teams
22-25 dress in 6-12 games "atleast" - and dress means either reserve (OL) or special teams
 
After that it gets a bit fuzzy, but I think you can find value in the right guys.
 
As far as the trade, if we are talking two Top 20 picks for three Top 15 picks, I don't know how you can't take that trade. Infact, it sounds so ridiculous just typing it up that I almost think it would have to be two for two (2/20 for 5/12 or 14).
 
So you are looking at - I'm just going to go off of my rankings projection for picking the players - and this is the three rounds.
 
3 for 2 trade
A: Goossen, Jones, Mark (Dhillon, Pszczonak)
B: Pruneau, Bastien (Briggs would be great), Chin (Menard if you get Briggs), Paterson
 
I won't do it for the 2 for 2 trade, because you can basically form your own take off of the above picks.
 
Bombers need to improve their Canadian depth, and I think the more picks the better. I myself am just not sold on Goossen, which is why I consider the trade an option.
 
Finally, this will contradict what I have said all along, but if you have to pick Goossen, you have to do it. That would be - no trade partner, and you aren't safe picking someone else.
 
For the record, I'm going to re-state my stance on Goossen because I feel like my posts towards him throughout the process could be construed as dislike. It's not that I don't like him, it's that I think he will take more time to develop than a second overall pick should, and I think if you can get someone who can come in and contribute right away, you are better off using that developmental OL with a later pick - that being Paterson, Dhillon, Player, etc.

You'll rarely see teams add Canadians this close to the draft.

Maudie is posting from the old definitions. The 2010 CBA lays it out like this:
 
 
TJ Jones potentially could classify as a non import based on section c there. 
 
Likewise John Urschel (who was also born in Winnipeg, dad played football at U of Alberta) would easily classify as a non import. 

There are also draft picks that can't get past the depth with their draft team but become starters on other teams. There are schemes that some players can't make the adjustment for in one city but show up in another scheme and become all stars. 
 
In the CFL very rarely are high draft picks kept around simply for being high draft picks. What with contracts not being guaranteed and especially before they reach veteran status and their contracts lock in during September they are more than expendable. (Ameet Pall was drafted 5th overall and didn't last training camp)
 
I think some of the answers that you're looking for in these numbers can't be solved without being in the coaches office when they make some early season decisions or off season decisions about the formation of the team. A player could be the best FB in the CFL but it might not translate as being a great draft pick because that player won't count towards the 7 NI starters when the team starts 5 receivers.
 
Define the value of a $70,000 non import linebacker that can play 15 to 20 snaps a game and keep your $120,000 starting linebacker fresh in the 4Q by resting him during the special teams plays. That special teams/situational downs linebacker is likely easily replaced in the minds of the 30,000 watching from the stands but in the eyes of the coaching staff he's gold. He's a guy that knows his role, can step up in a pinch but probably won't tally more than 20 total tackles for the entire season. 
 
In a real life situation I'll point to Jabar Westerman who isn't a starter, doesn't rack up gaudy stats (25 tackles in 2 seasons) and all because of how he is used. Still beyond that he would be welcomed by all 8 other CFL teams should he come available. Also he'd instantly improve the value of Jake Thomas if he was acquired by the Bombers. Teams just can't play Moneyball in the CFL. They can't replace 50 tackles with different combinations that will produce more 50 tackles. There's a lot more involved in it. 

It's an educated guess based on tracking snaps in a couple games. I do track each team a couple times a year, the time needed to do it more just isn't available right now.
 
I should be more careful in how I state it. 

There are also draft picks that can't get past the depth with their draft team but become starters on other teams. There are schemes that some players can't make the adjustment for in one city but show up in another scheme and become all stars. 
 
In the CFL very rarely are high draft picks kept around simply for being high draft picks. What with contracts not being guaranteed and especially before they reach veteran status and their contracts lock in during September they are more than expendable. (Ameet Pall was drafted 5th overall and didn't last training camp)
 
I think some of the answers that you're looking for in these numbers can't be solved without being in the coaches office when they make some early season decisions or off season decisions about the formation of the team. A player could be the best FB in the CFL but it might not translate as being a great draft pick because that player won't count towards the 7 NI starters when the team starts 5 receivers.
 
Define the value of a $70,000 non import linebacker that can play 15 to 20 snaps a game and keep your $120,000 starting linebacker fresh in the 4Q by resting him during the special teams plays. That special teams/situational downs linebacker is likely easily replaced in the minds of the 30,000 watching from the stands but in the eyes of the coaching staff he's gold. He's a guy that knows his role, can step up in a pinch but probably won't tally more than 20 total tackles for the entire season. 
 
In a real life situation I'll point to Jabar Westerman who isn't a starter, doesn't rack up gaudy stats (25 tackles in 2 seasons) and all because of how he is used. Still beyond that he would be welcomed by all 8 other CFL teams should he come available. Also he'd instantly improve the value of Jake Thomas if he was acquired by the Bombers. Teams just can't play Moneyball in the CFL. They can't replace 50 tackles with different combinations that will produce more 50 tackles. There's a lot more involved in it. 

There are also draft picks that can't get past the depth with their draft team but become starters on other teams. There are schemes that some players can't make the adjustment for in one city but show up in another scheme and become all stars. 
 
In the CFL very rarely are high draft picks kept around simply for being high draft picks. What with contracts not being guaranteed and especially before they reach veteran status and their contracts lock in during September they are more than expendable. (Ameet Pall was drafted 5th overall and didn't last training camp)
 
I think some of the answers that you're looking for in these numbers can't be solved without being in the coaches office when they make some early season decisions or off season decisions about the formation of the team. A player could be the best FB in the CFL but it might not translate as being a great draft pick because that player won't count towards the 7 NI starters when the team starts 5 receivers.
 
Define the value of a $70,000 non import linebacker that can play 15 to 20 snaps a game and keep your $120,000 starting linebacker fresh in the 4Q by resting him during the special teams plays. That special teams/situational downs linebacker is likely easily replaced in the minds of the 30,000 watching from the stands but in the eyes of the coaching staff he's gold. He's a guy that knows his role, can step up in a pinch but probably won't tally more than 20 total tackles for the entire season. 
 
In a real life situation I'll point to Jabar Westerman who isn't a starter, doesn't rack up gaudy stats (25 tackles in 2 seasons) and all because of how he is used. Still beyond that he would be welcomed by all 8 other CFL teams should he come available. Also he'd instantly improve the value of Jake Thomas if he was acquired by the Bombers. Teams just can't play Moneyball in the CFL. They can't replace 50 tackles with different combinations that will produce more 50 tackles. There's a lot more involved in it. 

There are also draft picks that can't get past the depth with their draft team but become starters on other teams. There are schemes that some players can't make the adjustment for in one city but show up in another scheme and become all stars. 
 
In the CFL very rarely are high draft picks kept around simply for being high draft picks. What with contracts not being guaranteed and especially before they reach veteran status and their contracts lock in during September they are more than expendable. (Ameet Pall was drafted 5th overall and didn't last training camp)
 
I think some of the answers that you're looking for in these numbers can't be solved without being in the coaches office when they make some early season decisions or off season decisions about the formation of the team. A player could be the best FB in the CFL but it might not translate as being a great draft pick because that player won't count towards the 7 NI starters when the team starts 5 receivers.
 
Define the value of a $70,000 non import linebacker that can play 15 to 20 snaps a game and keep your $120,000 starting linebacker fresh in the 4Q by resting him during the special teams plays. That special teams/situational downs linebacker is likely easily replaced in the minds of the 30,000 watching from the stands but in the eyes of the coaching staff he's gold. He's a guy that knows his role, can step up in a pinch but probably won't tally more than 20 total tackles for the entire season. 
 
In a real life situation I'll point to Jabar Westerman who isn't a starter, doesn't rack up gaudy stats (25 tackles in 2 seasons) and all because of how he is used. Still beyond that he would be welcomed by all 8 other CFL teams should he come available. Also he'd instantly improve the value of Jake Thomas if he was acquired by the Bombers. Teams just can't play Moneyball in the CFL. They can't replace 50 tackles with different combinations that will produce more 50 tackles. There's a lot more involved in it. 

There are also draft picks that can't get past the depth with their draft team but become starters on other teams. There are schemes that some players can't make the adjustment for in one city but show up in another scheme and become all stars. 
 
In the CFL very rarely are high draft picks kept around simply for being high draft picks. What with contracts not being guaranteed and especially before they reach veteran status and their contracts lock in during September they are more than expendable. (Ameet Pall was drafted 5th overall and didn't last training camp)
 
I think some of the answers that you're looking for in these numbers can't be solved without being in the coaches office when they make some early season decisions or off season decisions about the formation of the team. A player could be the best FB in the CFL but it might not translate as being a great draft pick because that player won't count towards the 7 NI starters when the team starts 5 receivers.
 
Define the value of a $70,000 non import linebacker that can play 15 to 20 snaps a game and keep your $120,000 starting linebacker fresh in the 4Q by resting him during the special teams plays. That special teams/situational downs linebacker is likely easily replaced in the minds of the 30,000 watching from the stands but in the eyes of the coaching staff he's gold. He's a guy that knows his role, can step up in a pinch but probably won't tally more than 20 total tackles for the entire season. 
 
In a real life situation I'll point to Jabar Westerman who isn't a starter, doesn't rack up gaudy stats (25 tackles in 2 seasons) and all because of how he is used. Still beyond that he would be welcomed by all 8 other CFL teams should he come available. Also he'd instantly improve the value of Jake Thomas if he was acquired by the Bombers. Teams just can't play Moneyball in the CFL. They can't replace 50 tackles with different combinations that will produce more 50 tackles. There's a lot more involved in it. 

No it's true that the percentages are just a piece of the pie. Eventually I'll have everything up to date regarding player production.
 
Part of that delay is sorting out a cut off point (1 year, 2 years, 3 years or career?). Do you only take into account drafts conducted by the current staff? 
 
Ultimately there are going to be differing ideas of what draft success looks like. 

Ok here's some numbers.
 
In the past 5 years there have been 250 players drafted in the Canadian College Draft. 
 
Of those 250 there are 148 still in football (59.2%). Keeping in mind that we are still in the extended roster time so that number will drop down a bunch in 2 months. 
 
Those 148 still in football the break down is 135 in the CFL and 13 in the NFL (or up for the NFL Draft - Bo Lokombo, Brent Urban, Jesse Joseph for example)
 
Those 135 break down to 87 on the roster of the team that drafted them and 48 moved on to other teams. That number includes individuals that left the team that drafted them and then re-joined. 
 
Winnipeg sits pretty much right in the middle of the CFL for percentage of drafted players still with the team (32%). 
 
 
Still with Draft Team:
Saskatchewan - 50.0%
Calgary - 44.7%
Montreal - 33.3%
Hamilton - 32.4%
Winnipeg - 32.0%
Edmonton - 30.8%
Toronto - 26.5%
BC - 25.8%

Here's how it breaks down for players draft still in football (regardless of what team):
 
Saskatchewan - 72.7%
Calgary - 68.4%
BC - 61.3%
Winnipeg - 60.0%
Hamilton - 58.8%
Edmonton - 57.7%
Montreal - 50.0%
Toronto - 47.1%
 
BC doesn't retain a lot but the guys they draft are all over the League. They are the only team with more players on the other 8 teams in the CFL than on their roster. 

Working on it!!! 
 
I've posted some items over on the website - http://ridleyscouting.com/CFLDraft.html
 
I'll break down some more teams to post averages tonight. 

25 selections in the past 5 years. 
 
8 currently on the Bombers roster - 32%
2 traded to other CFL teams - 8%
3 in the NFL - 12%
2 signed with another CFL team - 8%
 
Total still in CFL - 48% (which is high for a 5 year average) 
Total still in football - 60% 

One thing at a time iso! 

That would be insane.  We need seven starting Canadians first.  Depth is a problem too, but you're not going to solve that in this draft.  Other than Lavertu, there is no interior OL prospect in this draft remotely near the quality of Watman.
 
I'd give up #2 in a flash to get Watman, I might ask for a one of Saskatchewan's picks other than their 1st, but if the Bombers really want that type of player coming out of this draft, that would be an easy trade to make.
 
I'm not sure the Riders would make that deal though.  Picard is coming to the end of the line, and there's no real need for the Riders to acquire the 2nd overall pick.  Watman is probably more valuable to them.

I would say Deane is more likely to play tackle with Eppele on the inside. They got James Lee from the Riders in the draft, I think he starts. They also just signed Nate Menkin, and I think they look to go two import tackles. Gives them a much better situation on the offensive line for depth. Albright can play centre as well, so you would look at:
 
G - Deane, Eppele, Dunn, Barrette
C - Krausnick, Albright
 
Add a couple more OL via the draft for assurance if someone has to kick out to tackle due to injury, and you are in a good spot.

my bad, I should have mentioned the Rouge.  
 
As a note, however, you don't get a point for missing a field goal, you get a point if the other team fails to run a kick back out of the endzone.
 
Several times a season we will see a missed field goal result in a touchdown the other way, and on many other times a missed field goal results in no points being scored.  This, of course, is a complex rule.

Because the CIS allows 5 years instead of the 4 commonly associated with college sports.
 
That said basically every CIS player in the draft has at least a year and in some cases two CIS years available to them if they want. The changes were more in place to save teams from using a first round draft pick on a NCAA player that is going to return to school and then be drafted into the NFL the following year. Call it the Danny Watkins Rule if you like. 
 
The NCAA rules don't allow for players to really explore their professional options, they are allowed to request a draft grade from the NFL and then make a decision to return for their senior year or enter the draft. However they aren't allowed to attend things like the CFL Combine. In the past players that had been drafted were allowed to talk to the team that owned their rights.  
 
Both the CIS and NAIA rules allow players to talk to CFL teams, attend the combine and then return to school.