the watcher

" Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."  - Voltaire

Agreed, his environmental record left alot to be desired.

Previously in Canada when a member of your household got sick with one of the many epidemics that swept through, a card went up on your door or gatepost. . Each disease had a different colour so people knew what that household had. Only the Doctor was allowed in  or out. This was within my parents time. Our local cemetery started where it is because two neighbors lost kids and decided to bury them together. If you walk through that cemetery there are monuments where you can see that a family would lose 5 or 6 children over a 2 year span. Imagine being alone in your house. Your child gets sick. You have seen it before with the other little ones that have died. The Doctor might come, you would hope,  but down deep you would know they were dieing. Going through that , 5 or 6 times , in a couple of years. Typhoid, diphtheria, scarlet fever, influenza, polio..... This is why there was no discussion when I was a kid about getting a jab. My parents remembered the days  before science and medicine won out over these diseases. 
And now we protest over wearing a mask and getting a jab .
Edit : My mother was a nurse in the 1940s .She dealt with alot of polio victims during a bad outbreak including some that required a " iron lung  " to breath. I can't imagine what that tough no nonsense lady would have to say. She would be pretty disgusted by all the silliness. 

People who are angry that their freedom to choose is being taken away in whether they want to help curb this pandemic are literally saying they choose not to help and no one or no mandate should cause consequences for that choice.
It's as simple as that no matter how it's dressed up with well articulated lies.
 

Previously in Canada when a member of your household got sick with one of the many epidemics that swept through, a card went up on your door or gatepost. . Each disease had a different colour so people knew what that household had. Only the Doctor was allowed in  or out. This was within my parents time. Our local cemetery started where it is because two neighbors lost kids and decided to bury them together. If you walk through that cemetery there are monuments where you can see that a family would lose 5 or 6 children over a 2 year span. Imagine being alone in your house. Your child gets sick. You have seen it before with the other little ones that have died. The Doctor might come, you would hope,  but down deep you would know they were dieing. Going through that , 5 or 6 times , in a couple of years. Typhoid, diphtheria, scarlet fever, influenza, polio..... This is why there was no discussion when I was a kid about getting a jab. My parents remembered the days  before science and medicine won out over these diseases. 
And now we protest over wearing a mask and getting a jab .
Edit : My mother was a nurse in the 1940s .She dealt with alot of polio victims during a bad outbreak including some that required a " iron lung  " to breath. I can't imagine what that tough no nonsense lady would have to say. She would be pretty disgusted by all the silliness. 

" Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."  - Voltaire

Previously in Canada when a member of your household got sick with one of the many epidemics that swept through, a card went up on your door or gatepost. . Each disease had a different colour so people knew what that household had. Only the Doctor was allowed in  or out. This was within my parents time. Our local cemetery started where it is because two neighbors lost kids and decided to bury them together. If you walk through that cemetery there are monuments where you can see that a family would lose 5 or 6 children over a 2 year span. Imagine being alone in your house. Your child gets sick. You have seen it before with the other little ones that have died. The Doctor might come, you would hope,  but down deep you would know they were dieing. Going through that , 5 or 6 times , in a couple of years. Typhoid, diphtheria, scarlet fever, influenza, polio..... This is why there was no discussion when I was a kid about getting a jab. My parents remembered the days  before science and medicine won out over these diseases. 
And now we protest over wearing a mask and getting a jab .
Edit : My mother was a nurse in the 1940s .She dealt with alot of polio victims during a bad outbreak including some that required a " iron lung  " to breath. I can't imagine what that tough no nonsense lady would have to say. She would be pretty disgusted by all the silliness. 

Previously in Canada when a member of your household got sick with one of the many epidemics that swept through, a card went up on your door or gatepost. . Each disease had a different colour so people knew what that household had. Only the Doctor was allowed in  or out. This was within my parents time. Our local cemetery started where it is because two neighbors lost kids and decided to bury them together. If you walk through that cemetery there are monuments where you can see that a family would lose 5 or 6 children over a 2 year span. Imagine being alone in your house. Your child gets sick. You have seen it before with the other little ones that have died. The Doctor might come, you would hope,  but down deep you would know they were dieing. Going through that , 5 or 6 times , in a couple of years. Typhoid, diphtheria, scarlet fever, influenza, polio..... This is why there was no discussion when I was a kid about getting a jab. My parents remembered the days  before science and medicine won out over these diseases. 
And now we protest over wearing a mask and getting a jab .
Edit : My mother was a nurse in the 1940s .She dealt with alot of polio victims during a bad outbreak including some that required a " iron lung  " to breath. I can't imagine what that tough no nonsense lady would have to say. She would be pretty disgusted by all the silliness. 

Agreed, his environmental record left alot to be desired.

Previously in Canada when a member of your household got sick with one of the many epidemics that swept through, a card went up on your door or gatepost. . Each disease had a different colour so people knew what that household had. Only the Doctor was allowed in  or out. This was within my parents time. Our local cemetery started where it is because two neighbors lost kids and decided to bury them together. If you walk through that cemetery there are monuments where you can see that a family would lose 5 or 6 children over a 2 year span. Imagine being alone in your house. Your child gets sick. You have seen it before with the other little ones that have died. The Doctor might come, you would hope,  but down deep you would know they were dieing. Going through that , 5 or 6 times , in a couple of years. Typhoid, diphtheria, scarlet fever, influenza, polio..... This is why there was no discussion when I was a kid about getting a jab. My parents remembered the days  before science and medicine won out over these diseases. 
And now we protest over wearing a mask and getting a jab .
Edit : My mother was a nurse in the 1940s .She dealt with alot of polio victims during a bad outbreak including some that required a " iron lung  " to breath. I can't imagine what that tough no nonsense lady would have to say. She would be pretty disgusted by all the silliness. 

I just don't see why people anywhere think poilievre is a good choice for leader of the party.... Soundbites to rile up the base aren't leadership... screaming "Trudeau BAD!" "Liberals BAD!" isn't leadership... guy has never ever held a job that wasn't politician. He bring absolutely nothing to the table as far as I can see. Trudeau might be a dope but jesus christ compared to this fool.....
 
Conservatives need someone who can keep the base in line like Harper did if they ever want to have a hope in hell of winning. The majority of voters in Canada won't support a party where it looks like the inmates are running the asylum. O'Tool put forth a pretty good effort to appear progressive in a lot of ways and still didn't manage to win. 

Absolutely disgusting actions by this individual.
I'm baffled this isn't getting as much attention as it should: https://www.cp24.com/news/candice-bergen-shakes-up-o-toole-s-parliamentary-leadership-team-drops-quebec-mp-1.5768848
That last line is particularly noteworthy. Deltell's been a prominent Quebec Conservative, so I can't imagine this ends well for the CPC as far as its foothold in that province.

I've thought this many many times. Like IF this is the worst my generation has to go through, it's a ******* joke compared to what previous generations had to handle. Like they can't even be compared. Storming Normandy....or wearing a mask? Rationing your food....or ordering out instead of dinning in? Having your manufacturing business under the control of the government to help the war effort....or get a life saving medicine? 
and I know the comparisons are apples to apples....but if my grandfather had to listen to motherfuckers cry about masks and school closures and comparing it to what he did in the wars...I can't even imagine what he'd say....******* *******.

I cannot recall the state, but apparently an atheistic group has filed a lawsuit demanding that the Bible be removed from all schools for its promotion of incest, human sacrifice, killing of dissidents who wear the wrong clothes or plant the wrong crops, slavery and genocide.

The heretics MST be excised!!!

I find it interesting / odd that the Conservatives have forgotten what should have been their biggest lesson from the Harper years. You need to be pragmatic if you are a Conservative and want to govern Canada. The guy governed for close to 10  years by suppressing the more radical, members of his party. He was ( I think ) a born again Christian who wouldn't allow his members to table an abortion discussion. He was elected in Alberta yet kept the PAL requirement for gun use and ownership.  He recognized the  importance of officially naming 1st Nations as a separate nation within the nation. He may have been despised by the left but he knew how to pull the central vote his way. He knew what he could get away with and what he couldn't and forced his party to comply. I had hoped O Toole  would have this ability but he wasn't even close.  What the PCs are embracing now will keep them out of power. At least I hope it does. 

I find it interesting / odd that the Conservatives have forgotten what should have been their biggest lesson from the Harper years. You need to be pragmatic if you are a Conservative and want to govern Canada. The guy governed for close to 10  years by suppressing the more radical, members of his party. He was ( I think ) a born again Christian who wouldn't allow his members to table an abortion discussion. He was elected in Alberta yet kept the PAL requirement for gun use and ownership.  He recognized the  importance of officially naming 1st Nations as a separate nation within the nation. He may have been despised by the left but he knew how to pull the central vote his way. He knew what he could get away with and what he couldn't and forced his party to comply. I had hoped O Toole  would have this ability but he wasn't even close.  What the PCs are embracing now will keep them out of power. At least I hope it does. 

I find it interesting / odd that the Conservatives have forgotten what should have been their biggest lesson from the Harper years. You need to be pragmatic if you are a Conservative and want to govern Canada. The guy governed for close to 10  years by suppressing the more radical, members of his party. He was ( I think ) a born again Christian who wouldn't allow his members to table an abortion discussion. He was elected in Alberta yet kept the PAL requirement for gun use and ownership.  He recognized the  importance of officially naming 1st Nations as a separate nation within the nation. He may have been despised by the left but he knew how to pull the central vote his way. He knew what he could get away with and what he couldn't and forced his party to comply. I had hoped O Toole  would have this ability but he wasn't even close.  What the PCs are embracing now will keep them out of power. At least I hope it does. 

I find it interesting / odd that the Conservatives have forgotten what should have been their biggest lesson from the Harper years. You need to be pragmatic if you are a Conservative and want to govern Canada. The guy governed for close to 10  years by suppressing the more radical, members of his party. He was ( I think ) a born again Christian who wouldn't allow his members to table an abortion discussion. He was elected in Alberta yet kept the PAL requirement for gun use and ownership.  He recognized the  importance of officially naming 1st Nations as a separate nation within the nation. He may have been despised by the left but he knew how to pull the central vote his way. He knew what he could get away with and what he couldn't and forced his party to comply. I had hoped O Toole  would have this ability but he wasn't even close.  What the PCs are embracing now will keep them out of power. At least I hope it does. 

Well Winnipeg has shown in pretty quick order to have far less patience than Ottawa lol

I just want the enforcement to be there when laws are clearly being violated. That would  be a good start. I want the same standards applied to other actions to be applied to this one.
Part of my job is to organize rallies and other public events up to and including strike pucket lines. There's specific laws around legal struke action, but rallies are different.
For rallies, we always have permits when needed and ensure traffic (both vehicle and pedestrian) is never impacted as the law requires . We are also respectful of those affected as it is easy  to turn people off, and a fine line between being seen and heard, and turning people off from your message.
Organizers are also responsible for the actions of each and every person participating. 
When organizing, we coordinate with police to ensure any issues come to the organizers, and frequently meet when needed for example when a strike happens.
I think these organizers totally messed this one up, and lost control of the participants and the messaging. they  should be ultimately responsible the same way I would be ultimately be held responsible should that happen at any other event, or anyone else organizing something similar.

Stuff like this is really important if we want to try to avoid going down the hole that the US has been going down. There needs to be people with spines in the Conservative party. The same with when Eileen Clark quit her role in the Pallister government when they were defending residential schools. I was hopeful that O'Toole would condemn the convoy and that would be the Conservative party line, but they've gone in totally the opposite direction with the Candice "Maga" Bergen who can't even denounce nazism without bringing up indigenous protests and the toppling of the statue...
Manitoba Premier's response to Candace Bergen questioned (citynews.ca)
He also said the Conservative party has taken an “increasingly divisive and vitriolic” approach and he will continue to speak against extremism in the party.
“We need to shift away from that,” he said.
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Former federal Conservative cabinet minister Chris Alexander called the Conservatives’ stand “both disgraceful and inexcusable.”
“I’m ashamed to see Conservative Party of Canada members, including elected MPs, portraying vaccine mandates as ‘tyranny’ and Trudeau as the ‘biggest threat to freedom in Canada’ while Russia prepares to launch a massive war on Ukraine,” he said.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-nunavut-senator-quits-conservative-caucus-over-support-for-ottawa/

I’ve always questioned using terms like far left and far right to describe extremists. I think without even knowing it what we do when we use these terms to describe a small percentage of people is we give them way more legitimacy than they deserve. Group them all together and just call them wingnuts, extremists, nut jobs whatever. Most of us share an eclectic array of political, social ideologies depending on the issue being discussed at so it’s hard to pin most of us down specifically where we land on that political spectrum. We do tho show a bit on where we may lean overall if you had to generalize.

I don't know what did or didn't happen, but I hate the speculation around a guy who is directly responsible for our first GC in nearly 30 years.... 
He deserves better than a bunch of bullshit being spouted around here. This isn't just some random player from the states. This is a local legend who gave everything for our entertainment.