Bigblue204

I'm aware. My point is outside of nostalgic reminiscing, reserved for guys like Mike Riley and Cal Murphy and a few select others, there have not been any coordinators that I can think of that have not been met with complaints from a not insignificant number of people. People argue that Lapo should have been fired on his first go-around as OC because in the second year the offence dropped to 4th in the league. 4th. The grass is always greener until it's planted on our yard. Whomever is hired is just going to be the next guy some people will demand we should fire. That's what happens when you go decades without a championship. Most people are tired of 7th or 8th place finishes that are eventually followed by 1st or 2nd finishes only to see the team completely collapse again. Also I don't remember anyone every bitching about burke as a DC. He ran a great D while here as a DC his trouble started when he took a role he isn't good at.

While I was hoping that MB would be gone before etch...or just both gone. After reading some comments I'm hoping you guys are right...that we're a reciever here away plus having cotton and better online talent will help along with Willy being in the same system. But I still can't help but think that we will give up a league high # of sacks...something that Marcel lead Offenses have done multiple times. If we weren't hosting the GC I would feel much better about this. but I JUST WANT TO WIN IT ONCE!!!!!!!!!! And Marcel doesn't make me feel like he will get the job done.

While I don't mind that Etch is gone at all....of our two coordinators both have very mediocre track histories. We can pretty much Gaurantee 45+ sacks against next year with marcel coming back.

Cause it matters so much considering it's ******* december.....smh

One down one to go!!!

I think we will see mostly the same names next year with the exception of our draft picks and few big name free agents. I believe Walters will spend a lot this offseason on Olinemen. Other than that, I'm not sure we will see much more.

Is this real?

I don't know if we can pin the failings of the 2014 offence on Bellefeuille or the OL. Is Bellefeuille's offence (and Willy) effective with a league average OL or better? Does the offence (and/or the QB) make the OL look worse than it is. Personally, I think both statements are somewhat true. Bellefeuille's offence can't truly be evaluated if the QB is having to improvise as often as Willy had to in 2014; but the guy was a statue in the pocket as the season wore on. I think if we're throwing money at problems, I throw it at the OL and the DC. If the OL improves, Bellefeuille's offence MAY be better in 2015. Etch's scheme is a known quantity, and HE brought in the players he wanted to fit in the scheme. That's not a failure you can lay at the feet of the players. It's the OC's plays that tell the OL where they need to go. According to January, the schemes were not very good and made the OL look bad. And from what I saw, I tend to agree. You can give MB all the best OL in the world and I bet our offense will still suck. Bellefeuille made Calvillo look like he was washed up and the montreal OL look useless in 07 that says a lot right there. I don't know if we can pin the failings of the 2014 offence on Bellefeuille or the OL. Is Bellefeuille's offence (and Willy) effective with a league average OL or better? Does the offence (and/or the QB) make the OL look worse than it is. Personally, I think both statements are somewhat true. Bellefeuille's offence can't truly be evaluated if the QB is having to improvise as often as Willy had to in 2014; but the guy was a statue in the pocket as the season wore on. I think if we're throwing money at problems, I throw it at the OL and the DC. If the OL improves, Bellefeuille's offence MAY be better in 2015. Etch's scheme is a known quantity, and HE brought in the players he wanted to fit in the scheme. That's not a failure you can lay at the feet of the players. It's the OC's plays that tell the OL where they need to go. According to January, the schemes were not very good and made the OL look bad. And from what I saw, I tend to agree. You can give MB all the best OL in the world and I bet our offense will still suck. Bellefeuille made Calvillo look like he was washed up and the montreal OL look useless in 07 that says a lot right there. I have to agree with that - Calvillo took some serious punishment that year - particularly from the boys in blue and gold. Should also be noted, the very next year calvillo was named MOP and the Alouttes went to the grey cup. As far as I can tell with basically the same OL.

How bout this. those of us that are impatient go find something else to do for the next, oh I don't know 3 months. By the time that's up, there will be plenty of news you can cry and ***** about.

When did this turn into the wally fanboy forum???

I'd be surprised if at the end of 2015 season the Bombers weren't still looking up at the Lions. Wally's teams are always competitive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Calgary_Stampeders_season He left Calgary a mess it took them 5 years to clean it up. DON"T YOU GO USING FACTS TO BACK UP YOUR POINT!!!! There are people trying to make it seem like the sky is falling over here!!

How come people seem to forget that everywhere MB goes his online is magically the worse in the league? When he leaves said team they improve.......talent or scheme?

Killer Mike - Run'em Jewels 2 and DFA 1979 - The physical world

It's MOS, c'mon... you really think he'd do that? I don't. Hey wait, the Riders made a coaching move the day before the GC... no they didn't. There's been no official statement by the team.

bah it's blocked. Thanks though

Anyone watching? I'm stuck at work and the tv has stopped working. Any sites to stream it?

what's the score?

it's actually a metaphor for life!

Anyone have a link to stream todays game?

Yea, should be single vote. Seems a lot more accurate that way. Of course you did, you're a worthless rider homer. So now you're going to take potshots at me over a stupid poll? Come on. shut up rider fan!

wild hurt for a couple games, Anderson lost for the season, vega playing injury all year...can you think of a defence that would be successful with as poor a defensive line as the Bombers had this year?Don't forget, sears, sherman, washington, kuale, newman, johnson, fraser....all players who missed some time if not the entire season. I think there may be a couple more but I can't remember.I think the debate on Etch is was the failure of the D in the second half of the season due to 1) rest of the league figured out his schemes or 2) injuries.In my opinion it's more a systemic problem with the schemes. option 3: offense couldn't stay on the field and the defence predictably gave up more yards as a result. Excuses. Like I said earlier, all teams deal with injuries. You can only use that crutch for so long. You think MOS used injuries as an excuse when they lost? I never heard any of that. Just that they have to play better. So, if the players don't get off easy then why should any of the coaches? If you look at the first quote, pigeye is saying the O had an excuse in injuries....while the defence didn't. The following posts after that are simply answers stating, that if the O can use injuries as an excuse and that's ok in your (pigseye) eye. Then why not the D as well? I don't like using injuries as excuses either. But they certainly play a factor. As for us not being able to stop the run, if we had converted more field goals into touch downs, we would have forced the other teams to throw rather than run. And it wasn't like we didn't have opportunities to do it, how many times did we settle for 3 in the red zone?

it's like you read my mind

wild hurt for a couple games, Anderson lost for the season, vega playing injury all year...can you think of a defence that would be successful with as poor a defensive line as the Bombers had this year?Don't forget, sears, sherman, washington, kuale, newman, johnson, fraser....all players who missed some time if not the entire season. I think there may be a couple more but I can't remember.I think the debate on Etch is was the failure of the D in the second half of the season due to 1) rest of the league figured out his schemes or 2) injuries.In my opinion it's more a systemic problem with the schemes. And you know, I agree. He's schemes didn't work a lot of the time and often had me scratching my head. But like I've posted a lot of times before. If the offence could have put up even 10-15 more points in a game. We would have a very different record. How it's the DC's fault for the offences lack of scoring is beyond me. Also, I don't think only one coordinator can take the blame. Both their systems worked against each other. They didn't compliment each other. But if one has to stay. I'd prefer it be etch.

wild hurt for a couple games, Anderson lost for the season, vega playing injury all year...can you think of a defence that would be successful with as poor a defensive line as the Bombers had this year? Don't forget, sears, sherman, washington, kuale, newman, johnson, fraser....all players who missed some time if not the entire season. I think there may be a couple more but I can't remember.

Also, **** lawless