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seems like teams are so focussed on the high percentage short passing game more than actually pushing things downfield these days. 

Crowton showed a lot of class. He could have dumped on a lot of people but didn't. I wish the man well wherever he goes.

Lets give Marcel the benefit of the doubt before we call him names. We are better than the gap toothed masses on Rider Fans. That is their schtick.

Crowton showed a lot of class. He could have dumped on a lot of people but didn't. I wish the man well wherever he goes.

Crowton showed a lot of class. He could have dumped on a lot of people but didn't. I wish the man well wherever he goes.

he's not wrong to let the OC choose the qb, he was wrong to bring it up in the media that he did it. Burke is the guy in charge, he should take ownership of every decision and not open himself up for the silly criticisms like that. 

He shouldn't be a HC then should he??? I mean, someone has to be in charge. A HC always has the final say. Always except this dude. Pretty easy for Burke to defer decisions on assistants & say, "Hey, not me. I never did it.". When it blows up there's no blood on Burke. Cop out.

Crowton has to go. Bottom line first coach who  has to walk the plank. Burke needs to go with him as well, The qb carousel is  his doing & the fact he takes no responsibility for it is aggravating.

The most important skill for any quarterback, by far, is the ability to read a defence. Goltz is easily the worst at it. Ray is slow as old crap, and throws a soft pass, and makes out just fine. Hall needs to learn to not force things when trailing, and that will come with time. Of course, an OC with a clue would help as well. I'm fine with Hall or Pierce going forward. Goltz takes way to long to process information as it happens, his horrendous fundamentals (his footwork especially) and is a very inaccurate passer. He should be #3 the rest of the way.

Go easy on road griller. Any day now the Goltz poster on the ceiling will be coming down.

Coaching is obviously a problem.  
 
If I were the GM I'd drop Crowton today and 'promote' MB to OC.  I'd leave Burke at HC but tell him his responsibility is now limited to bringing the defence back to life and that ALL offensive decisions would be MB's (IMHO he has already been told that).  I'd tell Creehan that he is DC in name only, but we will keep him on for the rest of the year.  
 
Talent is another issue.  
 
Who are our 'core guys' that we can build our team around going forward?  Do we have any players who are 'untouchable' for a trade?  Is there anyone on this team you wouldn't trade for a decent QB?
 
Our best player last night was Edwards and it's the first time he has earned his paycheck this year.  
 
When I went through the exercise of who I would want to protect in the upcoming draft, I ran out of good players before I ran out of spots to protect.  
 
I think we need to make a couple of player changes a week.  Keep the ones that work out and dump the ones who don't.  Hopefully we can work our way into being competitive by the end of the year so we have some hope in the off season.

Nope...Goltz takes too long getting the ball out and is inaccurate when he does. This goes back awhile.
 
Noodle arm is a ridiculous comment.

As soon as a db grabs cloth it is a penalty. Those were the right calls. Not defending the refs but they got some calls right. Our secondary was exposed tonight. Not that we didn't know already.

These are the kind of dumb rules that really make the CFL look bad. Especially down east where the NFL is king. Canadians who are NFL fans only just look at no yards on a blocked convert, a blocked FG attempt that isn't considered an attempt because the ball never crossed the LOS & an OL being called for PI as being something to laugh at. To me, there's still too many old rugby style rules still in the books that need to be cleaned out.

His lack of arm strength was a surprise.I thought he was stronger throwing the ball than that. I like his accuracy but after thgat shot to the chest he was basically done throwing. Well, Tommy Clements didn't have a strong arm but he was a smart qb so if he understands the game, we may be okay. No more Goltz. I'd be okay with Buck coming back before Goltz. Seen enough of him.

Watching the secondary closely when the play was in front of me, most of the breakdowns appear to be on C Muamba.  He takes a very deep drop (essentially taking himself out of the play) and is always 3 or 4 yards late.  He's covering turf (a general problem for this secondary in zone) and not covering receivers or playing the ball because he's worried about getting beat deep.  He doesn't have a clue.  The most useful thing he's done this season is blitz.  We'd almost be better off dropping another guy in the box and sending extra rushers in a zone blitz to disrupt the QB's timing than having C Muamba playing DEEP safety.
 
The same 7 yard pass to the inside slot on a hook was there every first down.  Hamilton must have run that play 15 times successfully.  If we're going to suck we could at least be a bit of a speed bump.  Hard to imagine the same guys were responsible for the 2011 defence, it is like they've lost 50 IQ points each since then.

Get this ... Brenden Labatte has legitimately been called for pass interference this year.
 
How does that happen?

I really like the new theme.  Thanks.

I hope you are right Iso.  I agree.

Man, they both suck. Only Goltz sucks less because he's only had 2 starts. Don't want to be too hard on the kid so maybe we should have a suckage level. Like Pierce sucks at Level 9 & Goltz at Level 3. Of course, the other major suckage we aren't discussing is the fact the OL sucks. Shouldn't forget them because that would suck.

I think so. I like KJ as an OC. And being a former qb can help with development. But, having said that... we still need a qb coach.

It's pro football. These guys get paid to win, not play. Goltz was a D3 qb. Not D1 so you figure something was already up as a guy with that kind of physical stature would be an automatic D1 recruit out of HS. With the Bombers he practiced for 3 years. When Goltz finally had his chance he was no great shakes. Has accuracy problems. Burke knew that. Crowton knew  that. Mack knew that as he has been with the team for years & yet they still played him. He never should have played at all but Buck has been so gawd awful so they had to. Goltz had his chance. Now, it's Hall's turn. Let him run with it.

hated it when he said it, hate it after processing it, terrible attitude from a head coach. Yes Tim it IS your job to decide who the starter is. If you want to listen to your co-ordinators that's fine but ultimately it is your job. 

In all my years as a Bomber fan I can't remember ever being this disenchanted with a head coach.

Goltz should have kept his mouth shut. At least with Buck he's been in the CFL for nearly a decade & probably has a coaching gig somewhere else when he retires. Goltz has one career start & has played in parts of 3 games in 3 years. Guy needs to zip it. He hasn't earned the right to say what he did. Like it was mentioned, yeah this is a Gong Show but his comments just made things worse. Feels betrayed in a career where performance, "What have you done for me today" is paramount & how players are judged? That's the law of the jungle.