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I dunno why people are THAT down on Hall, he made some good progress last year. Yeah people will always want a bigger arm but arm strength is the more over rated aspect of a quarterback. Give Hall a better offensive line and let's see how he looks.

It's such a Winnipeg attitude. Everyone is so cheap there and just expects everyone else to be the same.

well of course! Everyone wants to the play in the east in the NHL cause there's so many weak teams and not the pacific road trip of death.

Bob Young was on the CJOB pregame show at one point last year tooting his own horn about the stadium in Hamilton and implied that he thought it was going to be better so don't tell me that the sentiment doesn't exist somewhere within the team.

Strong words. Why would you refer to Burris as a "douchebag"? Consider the business of football and what Austin just did to him before judging in such harsh terms. How about because he acts like a douchebag?

What if they wind up getting Willy but Hall out performs him? Do people still lose their ****?

Steady on old chap - let's see how they fair going forward before passing judgement. Bomber fans of all people should be aware how misleading records after a coach is fired can be.

To be fair the Hamilton folks have actually been going around saying stuff like that so he's probably just going with the company lines.

but didn't you hear? they listened to the fans when they designed these jerseys....

And from the mouth of Burris himself! Guy has flat out said he doesn't like to compete for his position! Seriously people there is a long history of this with Burris.

we've been over this before though, it's debatable whether or not the guy is in fact a quality starting OL AND it wasn't just a 2nd round pick, we gave the riders an allstar player to help them on their grey cup run as well. The allstar player should have been enough, this is Brendan Taman we're talking about here.

But I've heard of him before!!! And he was in Montreal, every player they have is great!

Which should be a very real concern. Burris has said himself that he doesn't like to be challenged for his position. He's basically a player that you need to coddle and if you even think about questioning his position on the team he pouts. Not a good team mate or leader. Hell of an athlete but dumber than a stump and very needy.

I just think Walters if he played his cards right could have got Banks for cheaper and then turned around and sent Poblah somewhere for a different return. Asset management is a big thing and I dunno if Walters is all that great at it, but part of this assessment is based on the other trades he has made where he's displayed a similar tendency to just pay whatever the other team wants. Having to add the pick to the Hall trade still bugs me.

It's obvious that Burke as a head coach let his DC tendancies take over and he HATED seeing touchdowns. So like a good defensive coordinator he came up with a gameplan to neutralize Goltz. It's a lot easier when you can just bench a player rather than having to stop them!

It does the heart a lot of good to see Vancouver struggling lately. Without Sedin1 Sedin2 is pretty useless and their depth chart is all kinds of ugly.

yeah absolutely. So stop thinking it's a negative, it's what good coaches and GMs do. So if I were Collaros I wouldn't be acting like Austin is his buddy. He's the boss and if performance isn't up to snuff then there's no buddies there.

Austin tried twice to extend his contract and Burris turned him down. ....And now back to the Austin Has No Loyalty Game. Thanks for conveniently not mentioning any salary numbers or indications of any sort. It keeps your credibility nice and low. Its not surprising, seeing as he is a ti-cat fan and he feels the need to defend any and all actions made by the hamismell team.. (and yea yea I know how contradictory this statement sounds coming from me) Austin tried twice to extend his contract and Burris turned him down. ....And now back to the Austin Has No Loyalty Game. Thanks for conveniently not mentioning any salary numbers or indications of any sort. It keeps your credibility nice and low. Its not surprising, seeing as he is a ti-cat fan and he feels the need to defend any and all actions made by the hamismell team.. (and yea yea I know how contradictory this statement sounds coming from me) Calm down. In an attempt to feel good about losing Collaros and maybe gaining Burris some are denigrating Austin and insinuating a lack of loyalty etc. I pointed out there's more to the story as Austin tried to retain him, twice. ....Carry on. tried to retain him a year ago.... it was widely talked about how Burris was falling out of favour throughout the year last. My point stands. And it's not a negative about Austin just a reality that he's a cut throat guy. Buono is the same and no one uses it as a negative with him.

It's not lack of patience it's consistently bad hires. In fact, I'd argue we don't fire folks who aren't doing their jobs like Mack soon enough. it is lack of patience. They have fired good people who may not have been great but good people at the first slip up and blown it all up time and time again. How can you build anything doing that? Have to give people more than 2 or 3 seasons to establish a long term foundation and THEN judge where the team is at. Mack, good people? Kelly, good people? Buchko, good people? I'd include Burke in that group even though as a DC he is one of the best but as a HC he is definetly not good people. You're argument is to keep bad people in place making bad decisions just so as to not make a change. Joe Mack got 3 1/2 seasons to do his work & he buried this team. Left out a few names there I see.... Is that because it is harmful to your argument and beneficial to mine?

In Macks first year he signed the 2 biggest experienced FA qbs on the market, not much difference than Walters trying to sign the biggest name on the market now. Not Macks fault that the guys hitting the market at that point weren't all that good or durable. We'll see how old man Burris holds up long term.

I wish I had an optimistic feeling like that. All I have is this sinking feeling that we'll be reading an announcement about how happy Walters is to welcome Burris to Winnipeg.

Or was that brief surge under the new coach just the new coach players getting a swift boot in the ass and now they're starting to settle back into what they are? Sometimes poor teams win games they're not supposed to, both Edmonton and Calgary beat the Sharks recently, it happens to every team. Over the long haul only the overly optimistic expected the Jets to do much more than they've already done this year.

It's not lack of patience it's consistently bad hires. In fact, I'd argue we don't fire folks who aren't doing their jobs like Mack soon enough. it is lack of patience. They have fired good people who may not have been great but good people at the first slip up and blown it all up time and time again. How can you build anything doing that? Have to give people more than 2 or 3 seasons to establish a long term foundation and THEN judge where the team is at.

you think the BOD doesn't have their fingers on the pulse of the fans and know when the natives are getting restless? Some might argue that the BOD are just fans themselves anyway... There's been a lot of knee jerk reactions made in the last 2 decades and it is tied to with how the fan base is feeling. That 23 year drought is self perpetuating because no one has the patience and it's caused a lot of stupid decisions to be made.

Yeah he trades them to someone else... the issue here to me is that more and more it seems like Walters pays sticker price for guys in trade, sticker price is sucker price. One of the biggest parts of being a great GM is creating the foundation of a successful franchise. Until Walters accomplishes that, top free agents that consider more than just money are going to blackball Winnipeg. So the conversation becomes how do you create that as fast as possible? Even if the word was Banks would have been out on the street on Feb 15th, Winnipeg's not the prettiest destination right now, so we'd have had to pony up top dollar, and still might get passed up by an aging vet FA looking to win now. Bottom line, we're paying Poblah to get a leader to Winnipeg, without having to outbid others or be a winning team to do so. I'm not saying wait for him to be a FA, just don't give Wally what he wants, give him less.