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Yeah that's the saddest part about Burkes reign as head coach, he was a worse head coach than Jim Daley. That's pretty spectacular in it's own way.

I'd take Glenn, but only for a very big discount price in trade. Don't give up anything big to Ottawa. After their bitching about who was available from the Bombers and then thinking Glenn can become something good for them I just want to see them sitting on this self created problem.

would you even read the answer though? your track record on these things is pretty shaky. Sometimes I don't read everything you type because you've been wrong so often and your obnoxious too. My track record? I'll put mine against yours any day. Lets review. I was against Mack in his last two seasons. Against the Jade and the Pencer draft picks. Wanted Laurent instead of Kito because we needed a DT more than yet another young receiver. Your track record is exactly the opposite. Loved Mack. Argued with anyone who didn't like the Jade or the Pencer draft picks. I can't remember if you wanted Kito or not, but I'm going to guess you supported that move too cuz you loved everything the great and powerful Mack did. Well you once again proved that reading isn't your strong point, but here's the point you're missing, I didn't have a horse in the Laurent or Poblah race because unlike you I am not so arrogant as to even attempt to rate players I haven't seen play. Same goes for draft picks. I don't start judging players until I've seen them play, it is the only thing that matters. But again, that's not what I was talking about here, I was talking about how you don't read before you start talking.

would you even read the answer though? your track record on these things is pretty shaky. Sometimes I don't read everything you type because you've been wrong so often and your obnoxious too. My track record? I'll put mine against yours any day. Lets review. I was against Mack in his last two seasons. Against the Jade and the Pencer draft picks. Wanted Laurent instead of Kito because we needed a DT more than yet another young receiver. Your track record is exactly the opposite. Loved Mack. Argued with anyone who didn't like the Jade or the Pencer draft picks. I can't remember if you wanted Kito or not, but I'm going to guess you supported that move too cuz you loved everything the great and powerful Mack did. How do the cherries that you're picking taste? Everyone can play this game, we've all been right and we've all been wrong. Never mind that I was talking about his track record of not actually reading what is written before he spouts off, so it's really a great post because it so fully proves exactly what I'm saying.

did you just compare Getzlaf to two of the best receivers to ever play in the league? Nope. Just making the point that players can still be at their best in their 30s. There are plenty of good receivers who can dominate in their 30s. Those two just came to mind first. It's funny that Noeller likes all your posts. Guess you two are BFFs. Great players can be productive into their 30s, but it's rare that receivers can dominate in their 30s. Now being a NI yes Getzlaf is quite likely to play well into his 30s, but if you expect him to maintain a high level the whole way....

did you just compare Getzlaf to two of the best receivers to ever play in the league?

would you even read the answer though? your track record on these things is pretty shaky.

if you are going to jump into a conversation it's best to have read the whole thing

Because they were obviously thinking they could turn around and turn Glenn into viable assets. I dunno.. If the bombers or any other team were in their position, would they not draft the BEST unprotected QB they could to Guarantee they have at least one suitable starting QB? Then grabbing another future HOF QB in FA only maked them that much more secure at QB?? I'm not sure i buy that they drafted Glenn in order to trade him.. or that they signed Burris just so they could use Glenn as trade bait. Maybe they did, but is seems like the least likely situation. My guess is that they go into camp with all three QBs and see who produces the most with whatever system they run. One only has to look at our QB situation the last 5 years to realize that if you don't have a CFL quality starting QB your record is gonna be pretty shitty. it's not that they drafted Glenn with the intention of getting Burris and flipping Glenn, it's that when they started to pursue Burris they felt they could do it. Now they're paying 2 starting qbs, one who is angry to not be the starter and one who hates when someone else is breathing down his neck. The Bombers being the only other team that needed a starting qb coming out and saying "yeah we're sticking with willy" is a big FU to Ottawa cause now they've got their qb controversy and they haven't even hit training camp yet. Not sure Ottawa Cares.. They can just CUt Glenn if they want to and its no skin off their back.. Maybe after signing Burris they thought about possibly gettings something for glen via a trade (but what GM wouldn't). Sounds like sour grapes from up bomber fans.. And i wanted Burris.. But i'm not the slightest bit angry or upset with Ottawa.. Naming Willy the starter before training camp is kinda silly and childish if its just to say FU to ottawa. Especially since Willy is unproven and will most likely upset Hall / backup QBs. its really inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.. you don't want to cut glenn though because taking Glenn let Calgary protect more NIs, and wouldn't they have been better off taking one of those NIs than Glenn knowing how things worked out? If they can't turn Glenn into anything then yeah they got qb depth, but they got potential issues with a qb controversy and being an expansion team overall quality and depth will be an issue so they kind of need more variety of assets rather than just depth at one position. You're making the assumption that they knew Burris would be available and that they picked Glenn anyway. That's simply not the case. They could have guessed the Burris was going to be available, and not picked Glenn, but if it turned out they were wrong, they wouldn't have a starting QB. Makes more sense to pick Glenn so they know they have a starting QB and play the Burris card later if it comes up. Reading comprehension is your friend! the bolded is the relevant part, go re-read it then get back to us.

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Because they were obviously thinking they could turn around and turn Glenn into viable assets. I dunno.. If the bombers or any other team were in their position, would they not draft the BEST unprotected QB they could to Guarantee they have at least one suitable starting QB? Then grabbing another future HOF QB in FA only maked them that much more secure at QB?? I'm not sure i buy that they drafted Glenn in order to trade him.. or that they signed Burris just so they could use Glenn as trade bait. Maybe they did, but is seems like the least likely situation. My guess is that they go into camp with all three QBs and see who produces the most with whatever system they run. One only has to look at our QB situation the last 5 years to realize that if you don't have a CFL quality starting QB your record is gonna be pretty shitty. it's not that they drafted Glenn with the intention of getting Burris and flipping Glenn, it's that when they started to pursue Burris they felt they could do it. Now they're paying 2 starting qbs, one who is angry to not be the starter and one who hates when someone else is breathing down his neck. The Bombers being the only other team that needed a starting qb coming out and saying "yeah we're sticking with willy" is a big FU to Ottawa cause now they've got their qb controversy and they haven't even hit training camp yet. Not sure Ottawa Cares.. They can just CUt Glenn if they want to and its no skin off their back.. Maybe after signing Burris they thought about possibly gettings something for glen via a trade (but what GM wouldn't). Sounds like sour grapes from up bomber fans.. And i wanted Burris.. But i'm not the slightest bit angry or upset with Ottawa.. Naming Willy the starter before training camp is kinda silly and childish if its just to say FU to ottawa. Especially since Willy is unproven and will most likely upset Hall / backup QBs. its really inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.. you don't want to cut glenn though because taking Glenn let Calgary protect more NIs, and wouldn't they have been better off taking one of those NIs than Glenn knowing how things worked out? If they can't turn Glenn into anything then yeah they got qb depth, but they got potential issues with a qb controversy and being an expansion team overall quality and depth will be an issue so they kind of need more variety of assets rather than just depth at one position.

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I'll shout him down, he either doesn't read what people says or he doesn't type what he thinks. More likely he's trying to backtrack and hoping no one calls him on it, but I have a very good memory and I don't let people get away with that either. Couple of those guys have hated Etienne and directed their anger at him rather than the fact that it was a 4th overall pick used to take him. There is a BIG difference between the two attitudes.

I really don't agree with that. He played every position in the secondary the last few years and tried linebacker just to try and help the team win. Hefney was a me first guy for sure but I don't get that vibe from JJ. I think he's arrogant and has an ego but name me a defensive back who doesn't... He liked his stats but again name me a football player who deep down doesn't love their stats. I think people just looked for a reason to hate on the guy for poor performance and the me first thing stuck.

How is it really impressive? I see Banks as a veteran in and Vega returning from the NFL other than that it's just your usual training camp type invites... so what is it that makes it impressive?

What is it you don't understand? I don't care. He's a bust. JBR summed it up completely. Except that JBR has always displayed a different attitude than you two. You guys have hated Etienne moreso than slagging on the pick. JBR actually does focus on use of the draft pick, you guys are too busy trying to run down Etienne any chance you get.

what we were actually trying to shout down was this ridiculous notion that he was a failure before he even stepped onto the field. Don't pretend that the hate (yes hate) that some of you showed for the kid was based on anything other than where he was picked in the draft and what your imaginary draft board looked like. It may have started out that way, but you kept it up for 3 freaking years. I personally never hated the kid, but he was a huge stretch where he was picked and he ended up playing 2 good games in 3 years. Every time he caught a ball, the 'I told you so's' came out. You were wrong. I know you won't admit it even now when Jade's not a Bomber. That wasn't Jade hate. It was Mack hate for wasting the 4th overall pick. Flat out lies. I only kept it going for 3 years because you guys kept it going. I am never the instigator, I just don't back down to ignorant thoughts. Some of you seem to think you can just keep repeating it often enough that it'll become fact, I will never let that stand.

Suber wasn't as bad and plays a harder position. Johnson was fine at safety, but at corner yikes.

Because they were obviously thinking they could turn around and turn Glenn into viable assets. I dunno.. If the bombers or any other team were in their position, would they not draft the BEST unprotected QB they could to Guarantee they have at least one suitable starting QB? Then grabbing another future HOF QB in FA only maked them that much more secure at QB?? I'm not sure i buy that they drafted Glenn in order to trade him.. or that they signed Burris just so they could use Glenn as trade bait. Maybe they did, but is seems like the least likely situation. My guess is that they go into camp with all three QBs and see who produces the most with whatever system they run. One only has to look at our QB situation the last 5 years to realize that if you don't have a CFL quality starting QB your record is gonna be pretty shitty. it's not that they drafted Glenn with the intention of getting Burris and flipping Glenn, it's that when they started to pursue Burris they felt they could do it. Now they're paying 2 starting qbs, one who is angry to not be the starter and one who hates when someone else is breathing down his neck. The Bombers being the only other team that needed a starting qb coming out and saying "yeah we're sticking with willy" is a big FU to Ottawa cause now they've got their qb controversy and they haven't even hit training camp yet.

what a cop out, you flat out declared him a bust, if he goes somewhere else and has success it only goes to show that you were wrong and that those of us saying he's young and a project, give him time were correct.

yeah that's right it's a misconception because he doesn't have interceptions... Sorry Jovon you played poorly last year and it has nothing to do with interceptions.

Because they were obviously thinking they could turn around and turn Glenn into viable assets.

Just don't go crying about all the I told you sos that are coming.

If that's results in us getting someone else aside from Etch i'd be thrilled. Unless that someone is Greg Marshall of course. Marshall is a much more appealing choice than Etch IMO.