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Very interesting comparison.... Dave Ritchie was notorious for sticking with his good old boys at all costs and Charles Roberts had to basically walk away from the team for them to give him the chance... and as you said, he became one of the teams all time best.

“(In training camp) we repped a lot of things that we didn’t rep during the season. I didn’t get a lot of reps with the guys who were playing. My situation put us in jeopardy there with the suspension and trying to manage that. I think it’s getting reps — reps with the players, reps with what concepts do we like? On second-and-six, second-and-five with the game on the line, what are we going to call because we know we can execute the play? I don’t know if we had that this year, so getting good at something, I think, matters https://3downnation.com/2025/11/02/zach-collaros-frustrated-by-2025-season-but-plans-to-play-for-winnipeg-blue-bombers-in-2026/ That all tracks, but boy is that a pile of red flags. No wonder our go tos ended up being old holdovers from lapo/buck and why zach couldn’t build a repoire with any one this year. And yeah as has been said ad nauseam, the concepts we ran were trash.

This is what he said so others don't have to look it up: The article also said: and Collaros also said: Sounds like Collaros believes the Bombers has a sub-standard offensive coordinator. I think he fails to recognize the old boys he names, and you could include Collaros in that group, are simply not as good as they were 5 years ago and the Bombers haven't brought in new guys to be the stars while these guys age out.

I mean who the **** cares? Teammate doesn't throw his buddies under the bus. The only say he should have on personnel is how he feels about certain receivers and just advisory for the personnel guys in free agency or deciding whether to bring guys back. Doesn't seem like they've done him that courtesy lately based on what's on our roster today.

The highly rated college thing is kind of joke. He was on a watchlist for an award for centres that like 50 guys were on. There's only 300 NCAA teams. Coaches send in noms. 1 in 6 guys who started at centre in FBS that season were on that list. 9/10 of them never played pro football. No but mostly because there's no one in camp pushing. Again...who is being blocked here? All the guys who can play got on to roster and a lot of them took big roles as the season went on. The talent level in our training camps has been an absolute joke. Receiver and DL are real flash points IMO. Charles Roberts didn't start a game at tailback until the East Final of his rookie year. Arguably the best tailback in Bomber history. Eric Blount and Troy Mills blocked him I guess. People want to dress a team full of rookies and expect to win? No mostly people get disappointed when they actually see the guys they are hyping. Few live up to it.

Sad. Zachs interview today. Delusional the guys he mentioned who he wants back are all guys who are finished.

on on doug was laughing at thomas on a play where he was in a 2 point stance, barely got out of his stance by the time the ball got out and still got turned and tossed on his butt. his scheme carried us from bottom of the standings to a home play off game last year. He’s shown some great ability to draw up plays that get pressure out of blitzes, but you just can’t blitz your way to victory in the cfl. you need to be able to disrupt the passing game with 4-5. I want to see what he can do with a good dl

It better be a dog fight, but if this coaching staff is back, it won’t be. Totally agree about the complacency.

not like we have a ton of horses to pair him with or protect him. Or some great farm to sell. That said, we need to do some thing and options are very few. His previous deals had very high guaranteed floors too.

Re Zach: Under contract means whatever guaranteed money he has is sunk, but it doesn't mean we have to or even should keep him. He's way overpaid for his performance.

Another option: do the team a solid by taking a pay cut so they can spend in FA & get him some help.

His options are: retire, ask for a trade or play for the Bombers. I do not know who would be interested enough in him to offer a trade of value.

I could go out there and try my hardest, does that mean I should have a spot? Thomas plays nearly every god damned snap and even at his peak he was just a depth guy. Huge problem. Willie is problem too because he doesn't put in the effort. They both need to be gone next year IMO.

Jake getting contributing 9 tackles in 18 games despite playing a large percentage of snaps isn't an issue? Disagree. I agree that Willie also doesn't contribute enough for the paycheck he's getting. On the D, I get that JY's scheme is different but is it one that is going to work?

I wonder what Zach options are? Under contract for next year. Is he planning to retire? Ask for a trade? Agree with @wbbfan, don't want to trade Zach and Elgersma. Agree with @Noeller on the injury concern with Brown.

Bust his ass still resulted in being manhandled on practically every play. Busting one’s ass means nothing if it doesn’t produce anything which is true for any job. And this isn’t an either/or, it’s both, as in both need to go.

Count me out for trading Elgersma. He's the only guy that is really exciting me as a future QB for us. We need to go all in on rebuilding our o line and then pass the torch to Elgersma.

I love Dru Brown but his injuries are piling up, and I wouldn't be selling the farm for him at this point...

I’d take any of those out comes over running it back yet again. As far as trading Id prefer to include manu than elgersma. I love manu, but I’d rather stack it up at qb right now. Retiring, Idk who to we would pivot to. I just hope not the pest from toronto

Both lines need a complete overhaul, I think Collaros is done as a Bomber the OC did nothing to warrant being retained. This team has some really good players but the team also has many positions that need to be upgraded.

Traded to Ottawa with Elgersma for Dru Brown and an OL but likely means his option is retirement. I wonder if there’s an option to become QB coach here. Zach seems like a guy who could be a coaching candidate.

People can **** on Jake but the problems on D aren’t on Jake. Jake’s skill level isn’t there but the guy busts his fat ass every play, he doesn’t win his battle often but he tries his hardest. Then you got a guy like Willie. A guy who takes several plays a game off, every game. I’m not sure what the bigger problem in the room would be. Dude trying every play or dude taking plays off every other play. Willie goes for knockdowns. You know how ridiculous that is that they allow this? How sad that is that they can’t get consistent effort from him but are seemingly ok with it ? Then ppl ***** about Jake cuz I dunno , cuz ppl rather a team of guys who only try sometimes. Willie is a guy im letting go. His attitude and work ethic are toxic to young players. Has to be. Jake is gone also tho. But not related at all. Jake is gone cuz skill don’t match the heart. Willie gone cuz heart don’t match the skill. There’s a few players on the team who fall in that heart don’t match the skill category. Sounds crazy but I’ll take a Jake who tries over a Willie who don’t. But it’s probably time to change the culture a bit more. Skill needs to match heart and heart needs to match skill. Give me a team of guys who gives a **** and play to the whistle.

yep, he also said he has options, so maybe it means he is willing to be waived/opt out etc

yeah but does Vancouver really want an MLB team?

only his first year, he played a few games while couture was out. Eli hasn’t been useless, he’s been so so as a guard when pressed into limited used, though he was good last night. He has been excellent as the 6th ol in heavy sets