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'22 you are obviously going to run it back given you just won a GC. '23 you were a random Chad Kelly away from winning the GC so I could see running it back. '24 You just lost a close one against Montreal. But cracks are starting to form. '25 you absolutely **** the bed against the Argos in the grey Cup. That should have been an indication it was time to shake things up. Instead we brought everyone back again minus Lawler and signed some questionable FAs. Obviously we could have made much better long term improvements in that entire duration. Don't get me wrong. I just think how we went into this year was inexcusable.

Yup, making the grey cup is hard. Can see why they would delude themselves that everything was working. Especially when two of the loses were 1 play away from wins. Kyle made a comment today that it is a lot easier to re-tool with 1 year contracts across the league. Maybe a sign we'll be players in free agency.

So not extortion or drug addict from the looks of things... Man charged with arson in multiple fires at Winnipeg restaurants, constituency offices | CBC News 22 counts of arson and other things: Arson with Disregard for Human Life Arson Causing Damage to Property x 13 Mischief Under $5,000/Obstruct in Enjoyment x 4 Break Enter and Commit Arson – Place x 2 Break and Enter with Intent – Place x 2 Not sure if it the same guy or not but age & location fit - on Facebook, there's a guy with the same name who is a bit of a Point Douglas white knight. He was pretty vocal about not having the safe injection site in that neighborhood so I wonder if the arson locations weren't targeted. He's charged with the fires at the constituency offices of Nahanni Fontaine and Bernadette Smith (who is the addictions minister), as well as fires at a provincial treatment center. Maybe the businesses had shown their support for the idea (or for something else) and got on his s**t list.

Well it's a lot easier to fool yourself when you are first in the west and playing for the grey cup compared to 4th in the west and meekly bow out in the east semi-final.

2024...ZC has finger basically reattached...sent out there with glove...and is throwing long passes...picked repeatedly...is utterly useless... The way things have panned out alot..repeatedly...fir yrs...seems to be the opposite of smart

Also said "change way we do things...no"..."ZC has earned his 600k salary coming up...ZC still showed flashes" ...id say i not hopeful...same ol same ol Still looking back...think they doing stuff right...call me worried Yea...at least he admitted a lot of our wins were basically for lack better terms....smoke and mirrors and couldn't beat top QB'S My gut says...expect more the same

If losing 3 gc games in row and in fashion, and hosting a gc didn’t change our approach, I don’t see how going 10-8 vs 11-7 and 12-6 will make that swing. I sure hope they do but I’m not holding my breath.

Walters presser: Taylor Elgersma - sounds like he's waiting on an NFL futures contract for now. Window closes around Feb. Kyle expects if not then, then he will be expected up here. Ya he's acknowledged that last year wasn't good enough. 10 wins, but didn't beat most teams with their top QBs. Didn't beat Trevor Harris, VA, Alexander. Saying easier to do a quick fix with all the 1 year contracts across the league.

Walters calling this a turning point for a new era has me hopeful that running it back is out of the question this year.

Our BB coaches/management are smart people, I think it's more stubbornness, confirmation bias, blind spots and loyalty all working together here. We are all guilty of doing these things in our lives (some more than others) btw but still doesn't give them an out here.

Ahhhhhh heading into the game we were tied in points.

What frustrates me (doesn’t take much) around these parts with some is the argument implying and/or saying we didn’t have the options like TO had here. Our options were actually not options so stop complaining there was nothing MOS could have done other than going with ZC. ?????

1 or 2 year deals are the norm I believe.

We have seen that scenario way too many times, especially in the last few years, 2022 - MBT is struggling and the Argos turn to Chad Kelly. 2024 - Chad Kelly get hurt in the Eastern Final and Argos turn to Nick Arbuckle.

Do coordinators and assistants typically get deals that are longer than a year? Do we have any coaches on our staff that aren't free agents?

THEN ....why they even on the roster??...just incompetence if thats how they felt....but it is just a matter of Osh doin the Osh......guy for all his pluses...has some serious negatives/flaws...and it's cost us dearly moe than it's benefitted us It was apparent early tho it severly afftected his ability to throw, as he couldn't plant and fure...and was a sitting duck....made it easy to defend us....We had a back-up for a reason...to be used when necessary...and we didnt Sometimes in a Grey Cup the least likely guy, or a guy coming in due to injury is a huge contributor....will never happen here tho under this current set-up I think with the Al's MBT wasn't really healthy either, so they went with the gimo who gave em the best chance

Ya 2022 is very comparable to what the Als did this year. 2023 was just a disgrace dressing all those injured players. 2024 should have pulled him but I think we were pretty screwed either way with who the back ups were and how TO's D was playing.

And you can maybe excuse them for playing collaros in 2022 with the bum ankle.... but leaving him in when he couldn't grip the ball in 2024... just inexcusable. And dressing 3 hurt receivers and a hurt bighill in 2023 is just inexcusable.

For some reason I forgot he was dressed as well. Two 100% healthy QB's available but, again, if the mentality was that both weren't even close to being serviceable as options that's a much different conversation to have.

Dolegala not getting a chance in that game perplexed me the most. Absolutely would have been better than handless Zach. Sure, he’s not the greatest but he’s capable of winning games. Hell, he had a win against us the year before in the LDC did he not?

Dolegala...an experienced to an extent starter was healthy too

I read it more as they haven't talked to the rest of the coaching staff yet and he wasn't going to say someone isn't going to be back without having told them to their face beforehand.