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It's really funny that there's a hardline stance of "It's absolutely Walters fault" and "It's absolutely O'Shea's fault" and no room for Grey area in between....

yup .......'Lard arse exposed' should be Jakes mantra.....when the hell is he going to ride off into the sunset....I hope soon

yeah...They both have that too fat to be athletic and effective look, and the looking lost image more times than not on the field At least Kolo kept his shirt pulled down so his arse crack and gut wasnt exposed for all to see....utter embarrassing

That was NOT a report, that was SPECULATION. There is absolutely no source that anyone can point to that suggests KW is some powerless dupe stuck in the middle. Let's be clear on that. There is nothing to substantiate any of that and therefore it is not fact, it is fiction.

Does Kola look anything like Jake??.......I guess their play is comparable hence the confusion

Lawson's second last paragraph in the story of his signing...and what he said...he gets it and see's it....Our HC/GM totally are the definition of what he said...so they best be doing their respective jobs again like their professional careers depended on it but when your 1's look like crap...pedestrian or are in the tub yet get the starting spot first game...justify that And just cause nobody signs our newbie cuts....doesnt mean they cant play....nobody does that at the start of the season basically with any teams cuts...maybe a surprise vet cut yeah....but rook's....hardly ever and I highly doubt if we made surprise cuts of Thomas..Kolo...Schmeck...Hallett..Korn...amoung other turds of recent yrs many teams would be crawling over each other tosign them and dump a player off thier roster...letalone start them like they were here And we have seen every rook who finally got a chance in a game...showed well and would have been even better by season's end if played...all the while the dead weight the HC favors....just continued to suck And of pre-season os a big nothing burger and doesnt matter when a guy or guys jump of the page and make plays...then why bother having it? To say that the talent brought in the last 2 camps that was cut for crap players who were holdovers just isnt justified....You dont know until you play...what we did know tho...is the guys kept...were not adequate...and end of the day the HC sets his roster, makes the bone headed in game moves...creates piss poor depth charts...over uses sub par Canadians...neglects using rules to our benefit cause his personal opionion of them is he doesnt like them...runs country club unproductive TC's....if Walter's had a major flaw it was not holding Osh's feet to the fire...and .just outright release guys from under his nose to eliminate the chance for him to play certain guys, and told him when he had his shouting pouting fits with roster/player discussion to suck it up and deal with it as he is not the Boss here......or hit the highway Hopefully thats all cleaned up now...or we will see much the same

The DE's you are referring to as having great games were brought in just a week or so before they played the final game of the season. They weren't there all year. So no, leaving them off the roster was not an issue....they weren't under contract. Agreed. However, all these shining stars that we heard about all year long ended up being duds when they eventually were played with the exception of Woodbey. It kind of tells you that they weren't on the roster for a reason.

hey kids loves these books even though Elephant and Piggie wrapped up quite some time ago like before COVID

Thanks for the clarification about the Walters-O'Shea relationship/power structure. If Walters is unable to replace his head coach that he is in overt conflict with and who has been serving his personal agenda ather than the wellfare of the team, that would exonerate Walters but places him in a very untenable position. I thought of Miller as a hard-nosed results-oriented person but from this report, that does not seem to be the case. That has to change or we will be repeating this discussion next year.

Jake Thomas????

So in summary ZC's protection issues are the fault of Jake Thomas, I mean the fault of a combination of things including scheme, linemen lack of execution, ZC's happy feet and lessening ability to adapt to and/or escape pressure not to mention the fact of other teams superior DLine compared to ours.

His protection has been getting worse year over year for the last three or so and been increasingly uncomfortable in the pocket. Scheme (this year) was definitely a factor but Zach himself has gotten happy feet and he's as much to blame for the shots he takes as is the inadequacy of the offensive line or any offensive scheme.

https://3downnation.com/2025/12/11/five-finalists-for-2025-jon-cornish-trophy-unveiled/ This year's nominees for the Jon Cornish Award. Featuring the son of David Benefield, Ty Benefield. Antawn Raymond is a really good one on that list, too. He has such a great mix of power and speed/quicks. Both of them, plus Mesidor and Elad, will be NFL-bound, I'm sure.

I blame scheme more than OL for the hits Zach was taking to be honest.

Insanity later.....

Yup but this is what I would look like as I'm chipping in my money. Love you JT.

So you don't want to chip in for a gift for Jake when he hangs up his cleats?

Rumours of a Doomsday trailer today... We shall see.

Yup and we will never know what's correct here if we continue to play players like JT etc.

Yup I'm still thinking an upright less disrupted ZC can get the job done. Sooner than later though, we need to find our next long term QB, there's no doubt about that.

Which of the 3 had the worst OL... That's a more important topic of discussion.

That is one way to look at it and it very well could be correct... or it could be correct that there was more talent here than roster usage showed.